what would you have said

rick deere · Oct 30, 2015

Went and looked at a parts tractor yesterday and the man and I came to an agreement on price, we shook on it. I said I can give you a ck now or bring you cash in the mornning. He prefered cash. i came home and hooked up ready to leave in the mornning. At 9pm I got a call from him and he said his two brothers are throwing a fit and he couldnt sell me the tractor.I just said ok and let it go.But I was shocked you would shake on it and make the deal then back out.Amasing to me.I think he shoud have said something from the get go about the brothers.

MarkB_MI · Oct 30, 2015

Sounds like it was never his to sell in the first place.

My BIL thought he had an agreement with his neighbor to buy the neighbor's house. So BIL sold his own house, then found that the neighbor's estranged wife wasn't in on the deal. Time to look for a new place to live.

centash · Oct 30, 2015

Sounds to me like he got a better offer....still wrong, though.

Ben

JRSutton · Oct 30, 2015

I feel your pain! That is so frustrating.

I've lost a few tractors and other big items in similar ways. In fact, I've now come to expect it.

Guess you can't celebrate until it's home sitting in your own driveway. Just too many people in the world that don't have any sense of honor or fair play.

Frustrating, but at least he had SOMEWHAT of an excuse. If there was truly some miscommunication in the family, it's unfortunate but I guess it's not right to say "hey too bad for you" and try to hold him to the agreement. Sounds like a stupid mistake.

I've been in similar situations only to have the seller surprise me with "oh, another guy stopped by bought it".

I was actually "the other guy" once - I had no idea. Buying my truck. I showed up with a friend, did the whole transaction, wrote up a bill of sale, winched it onto our trailer (it wasn't running).

Just as we're saying our thank you and goodbyes - two other guys pull up in a tow truck with very puzzled looks on their faces saying "uhhh what's going on?" I thought they were friends of the seller. He went over and talked with them, got a little heated and they burned out of there.

The seller explained to me "oh they were by earlier and said they had to go borrow a tow truck, but hey, money talks, you got here before them with the cash".

I made some comment about it, and he just laughed and said hey f em. I wanted to punch the guy. But I could tell he was the type that wouldn't ever get it.

Had those other guys stuck around, I'd have sold them the truck for what I paid for it. Just such a rotten thing to do to somebody. I felt bad for them.

js305 · Oct 30, 2015

I almost had a similar experience with my N that I have now. I had tried to buy the thing for two years, but the owner wouldn't budge off his original asking price. And I really didn't have the money to burn anyway. About two years ago he came in where I work and said he would take $1000 cash "right now", he was tired of messing with it and had bought a new Kubota. OK, I asked if I could look at it (I had never seen it in person, only pictures...). Yep, that's fine, we met, we made the deal, and I was supposed to get it in about a month. No, nothing happened, but I found out he had several offers for more money, but for some reason he honored our deal and I now own the tractor. We were already friends, but that kinda put some glue on the relationship.

RLA · Oct 30, 2015

Rick my only advice is, when ever I go look at a Item I'm interested in
the one thing I make sure of is Having enough CASH in my pocket that will
cover what I'm willing to spend. Cash Always Talks, it's the only real money
in the world & everything else is just figures on a paper. I always ask first
on what they are asking, instead of me making a offer, sometimes the offer is
far more than what they are asking.. I purchased a John Deere M, None running
but complete. He wanted me to make a Offer, I said it's your tractor, what do you
want for it?? He said 200.00, I told him it's worth more than 200.00 & offer'd
450.00, He told me for 450.00 I could get the tractor, the John Deere Snow Plow,
Ground plow, cultivators, tool bar weeder, 51 mowing machine, tire chains, wheel
weights & 3 PT hitch kit. I said I got to give you more Money! He said NO I want
it to got to someone who will bring it back to life.... Money Talks....

rockyridgefarm · Oct 30, 2015

At least he called you and didn't wait 'til you showed up....

Billy Shafer · Oct 30, 2015

I was raised that when you shook hands on a deal. That was a contract to be honored.Guess the old ways don't matter much these days.

Mike M · Oct 30, 2015

Good thing you did NOT pay him right then when you could not take item with you. You might of had a nightmare trying to get the money back !
You run into all kinds of people. Some their word is good and others not so much !
That's why I like the motto in God we trust all others pay cash.

I have taken down payments and gave a receipt before. I can't remember if I have ever given a down payment ? I usually come back as soon as I can with cash and trailer. Or take the trailer with me right off the bat.

Traditional Farmer · Oct 30, 2015

Always take cash,always get a receipt and if anyway possible bring a trailer when you go
to look especially if its a bargain.And a bring a witness to the whole transaction doesn't hurt either.

JOCCO · Oct 30, 2015

I think others have covered it pay immediately and get it home. I had a guy make an offer on a parts tractor I accepted and he backed out!!!

da.bees · Oct 30, 2015

Not much you could say,if his brothers gave him grief he didn't have any good options. Either gall you or or gall the brothers. In some people's opinion I may have done a buyer wrong but in mine I taught him a valuable lesson. Set a running motorcycle easly worth $500 out front for $200 just to get it out of my way. Guy stops by to test drive it then offered $175. I told him it was worth 3 times asking and thanked him. Next day I stuck better tires on it and increased price to $250. Guy returns with $200 in hand and got upset I wouldn't take it. After complaining a while and offering $225 he got in his truck circled the block and came back. As he approaced me counting money I said I hope you have $300 there because I've decided that's the least I will take and one word of complaint and it will be $400. He handed me $300 and was still shaking his head as he pulled away with the bike in his truck. Moral being if it's already a smoking deal,jump on it and consider it your lucky day. If buyer start's trying to beat price down, seller should then have same opertunity to ask for more because time is money.

Humding · Oct 30, 2015

I've the situation at the moment that I sold an old 1950's truck I have and can't get the guy to collect it. He bought it in June/July and said he would need about a month to arrange storage for it which I was OK with. I told him I didn't want it around any longer as I was only selling it as I wanted the space. He gave me a 300 deposit on it and we shook on it. I've rang him a few times and getting excuses like I lost your number, I had health issues, I had a court case. I am tempted now to relist it and sell it to somebody else but I don't like breaking the original deal. If I do relist I'm considering giving the original deposit to charity.

Bryce Frazier · Oct 30, 2015

I always try to take Cash with me, never buy with anything else.

I showed up 1 1/2 hours away one time (was on my way home from farther away) to "last minute" look at this tractor. Guy was super nice, price was right, we hmmmm'd and haaaaa'd on it, and I finally told him I would do $400 on it (which was a fair deal in my opinion) I HAPPENED to have that much cash on me, just barely though!!! Paid the guy in FULL and left for home. Got home, hooked up the trailer, and was going to leave first thing in the morning.

Go inside, and there is a phone call from him. He says in the call "Yaa, so hey. I've been thinking about it, and I need to get at least $700 out of this thing, so, if you want to send me a check for $300 more, or bring cash with you when you come to get it, that would be great!"

Totally cool and collected though, like he had done it 1000 times! :/

Called the guy up, and told him we had 2 options,

1. I was coming down in the economy car to get my $400 TODAY
or
2. I was coming down tomorrow with the truck to get the tractor, period.

He beat around the bush with me, and tried to get me to cough up $200 more, then only $100 more, then $50 more, and he finally said, well. okay.....

So, I went down there and got the thing!!! He wouldn't even talk to me when I was there, and when I was ready to leave tells me "I thought you were going to be a little more honest of a person..." I told him "Hey! WE shook on the deal, WE agreed on the price, and that is good enough to be "honest" in my opinion".

Some people are just that way, BUT, in this case, if it were me, I would have rather burned a bridge with a buyer, than with my family...

Bryce

jimg.allentown · Oct 30, 2015

One lesson to be learned is this:
When you go to buy an item, bring the money you intend to pay for it and the means to take it along with you. Too many times that "see you tomorrow" kind of deal goes sour. Things usually come up to muddy the waters. Like:

A family conflict.

Second thoughts.

A better offer from somewhere else.

Those are but a few of the reasons/excuses that can sour a deal quickly.

John T · Oct 30, 2015

Its not over until the fat lady sings.......

As a dealer years ago I learned to have cash on hand and my implement truck right there when trading, cuz otherwise what you described happens grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

John T

01gentdc · Oct 30, 2015

yep ,, those things happen , this is a STRANGE that happened to me once about 20yrs bak ....bought a wide front DC case over the phone from pictures in a trader magazine ,,. told the guy my name was jim from Indiana, and would be there sunday afternoon to pik up , with cash in hand .THAT IS FINE WE WILL SEE YA THEN , , Sunday around 10 am I called him to tell him we were on the way and to get more precise directions ,, he seemed really confused ????,,. he said?/ WAS 'NT THAT YOU THAT JUST LEFT WITH THE TRACTOR ?? ,,. no-ooh ,, I am Jim From Ind ,, THE FELLA THAT JUST BOUGHT THE TRACTOR WAS JIM from ind TOO , AND HE SOUNDS JUST LIKE YA... wth!!.. well that explains a lot about the numerous conversations HE SAID WE HAD , when he mentioned serveral things we had talked about , on Friday and I seriously could not recall the conversation .., But I let it Slide because it was useful info , and I had a lot of things happening then , and was thinkin , I need to slow down , and Pay attention ,,.just a crazy coincidence ..

rick deere · Oct 30, 2015

Ive talk to some of my friends and they think I came out on top, if Id paid and went back to get it could turned out alot worse.And maybe even lost money too. Life goes on, everything happens for a reason. thank to all.

Russ from MN · Oct 30, 2015

On the other hand, I have always figured if you show up in their yard with a truck and trailer, and a pocket full of cash you are not going to get a very good deal!

oldtanker · Oct 30, 2015

(quoted from post at 07:16:11 10/30/15) On the other hand, I have always figured if you show up in their yard with a truck and trailer, and a pocket full of cash you are not going to get a very good deal!

99 times out of 100 I show up with cash and a trailer. I have already talked via email or phone with the seller and know the price is fair. Once I get there and actually look it over I then either pay or make a counter offer and if not accepted I drive away. Cost me a little gas but far cheaper than getting beat on an item and I never wind up with something getting sold out from under me.

I did have a deal on an AC C. Paid for it. My BIL had it. Right after I paid for it he called me. The guy he bought it from had stolen it from his grandmother and she wanted it back. So I'm waiting for the BIL to give me my 300 back.

Rick

wd9garymn · Oct 30, 2015

I bought a D2 cat from a fellow-great price- gave him a check and told him to call me when it cleared the bank and i will pick it up. Couple of days he called to say ok to get it but said he had several callers who offered more money-one several hundred more. He told them he didn't do business that way. Still some honorable folks out there!!

dr sportster · Oct 30, 2015

What can you do ?. It is the other guy breaking his word. The guys that wrote bring cash and get it on the trailer and home have the right idea. Any time lapse is time for things to go bad.

ObsoElitist · Oct 30, 2015

I would have asked "What kind of man are you?" And walked off. Is this guy in business, or dealing with a family estate?

TomH in PA · Oct 30, 2015

Seller's remorse. As soon as they sell it, they regret that they didn't get more and look for a way to weasel out of the deal.

Robert Major · Oct 30, 2015

Hi
From my experiences a hand shake deal is only as honest as both parties, and only worth the paper it's written on L.O.L.
I had one guy when I commented on dealing with his brother That I couldn't get a hand shake on the deal, and I wasn't happy about it say " Well I see no negative there. Thats a good thing in my eyes you don't know where that hands been and he don't wash, you might catch something nasty off him"!!!!!!.
That kinda tells a story right there about dealing with that guy. Funny thing is the deal wasn't right after, there has been a lot of problems since. I wouldn't deal with him again with what I know now, or wouldn't of if more had been known at the time.
Regards Robert

rick deere · Oct 30, 2015

your right , i have no hard feelings mostly schocked about him pulling out after hand shake,and deal to be done in less than 24hrs.

sms · Oct 30, 2015

A neighbor had a baler and rake for sale along the road, probably sat there 4-6 months, finally I asked how much and bought them. Months later his BIL that lives next door, on another part of the family farm, came to me saying he had no right to sell that rake my parents bought that and I want it back. I had fixed it up buying parts plus my labor and had no intention of giving it back. He kept pestering me and I eventually told him get me another in working condition and you can have it back. He never offered money, never got me a different rake so I still have it. This went on over a period of several years.

ShadetreeRet · Oct 30, 2015

Happened to me a few years ago, Truck for sale,I go talk to the man, we agree on a price. "I don't have all the money now, can get it by next Friday, do you want a deposit?" No, it will be ok. Next Friday, with cash in hand, I go to pick up my newly acquired pick up..... "Sold it three days ago." Say what? Yeah, so-and so down the road had been wanting to buy it, so I just sold it to them." I just left, but I wanted to ask him that if someone else had been wanting to buy it, why the .... didn't he sell it to them in the first place!

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