How much dirt am I going to need?

Fatjay

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I had 90 yards of dirt delivered to level out the area behind the pool. It dropped down 3' then graded down gradually after that. I wanted it smoothed out behind the pool so there would be nice sitting areas. I have 60 yards down there, and I'm realizing I need much more than I anticipated. I can get as much as I want for free, they're digging out lots to build new houses, and there's an ordinance that prevents dirt from leaving the township, so they are begging for places to put it.

This is the size of the area. By my guess, I need another 200 yards, give or take. Am I totally off on this?

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One cubic yard of dirt will raise the elevation 1 inch per every 324 square feet and can be calculated in any multiple, example:

Area = 50' X 70' = 3500 square feet
Elevation change required = 1 foot 8 inches (20 inches)
Constant = 1 yard = 324 square feet, 1 inch deep

324/20 = 16.2
3500/16.2 = 216 yards of dirt
 
I have no exact measurements, the elevation bounces all over the place, not constant at all. I was hoping for someone who has done this many times and has an eye for roughly how much would be needed. I was going off my guestimate, and estimating based on how much I've used thus far. A landscaper would know better though.
 
Also remember there is a "fluff" factor. When soil is excavated and loose, depending on its type and how it compacts, there is a 10%-20% more volume when loose. If you take the area you have and measure the square footage of the fill area, then take the average dimension of fill you'll need to make the final grade elevation you want, and multiply it by the even number, (say its 3 feet) you'll have cubic feet. There are 27 cubic feet in 1 cubic yard, so multiply the cubic feet you have by 27 and that will give you total yardage, then add the percentage of "fluff" to that to allow for compaction, and you'll be very close on the total yardage you will need. On the math, remember to keep the units of measure the same, so if you had 1'-4" remaining to fill, take the 4" divide by 12 (12" in 1 foot) so muliply your square footage by 1.33 to get the cubic footage, then multiply that by 27 and add in the extra percentage of fluff for compaction.


On site plans, they take the area topographically, say with marked contour intervals of elevation and make a grid over it. Each square in the grid will either be in a cut or fill that can be quantified and tallied on an estimation form. They will then review, overlay final elevations, then calculate the cuts to establish the excavated material quantity, and add the fluff percentage of that material. Then they calculate the fill areas, to determine how much fill is needed from the cuts, remaining may be exported off site. In squares where there is both cuts and fills or the contour intervals change etc. an estimator may average them out or caculate more precisely for a more accurate number. Its been years since I've done site work estimation, but that is the "gist" of it LOL !
 
You have it here in simple terms with what myself the others posted, just take the general area, estimate the fill it needs. Do the above math I stated and you'll be close enough if you want to figure it so you have an idea. Is it 100 x 100 ? 200 x 200, 100 x 300, what is the area to be filled and how many feet is needed to get that area to grade? Provide that and you'll get an accurate answer. Typically landscaping is on the surface, I'd rather speak to an excavation contractor for mass excavation, fill, earthwork etc. but landscaper had still better be able to estimate materials in cubic yards just the same.

I've done all sorts of this, both operating the equipment, grading, compacting, driven the trucks and delivered material. I've done the take offs, estimating quantities of some large sites and many other things related, its an easy take off to figure yardage.
I've done exactly as you are doing, hauling off one site, within a township and made arrangements on other sites nearby, some I got paid nicely for. What are you after with someone that has done this before, I certainly have done my share of earthwork in the 5 years I did it full time.

The other thing is, if they are trucking fill and you can get what you need, then just set up the machine that's pushing or grading it off, or get it on site when they will haul in so you can work as its delivered. Then establish an acceptable grade with it and work off that as a bench mark, grade it as its coming in, and you'll get to a point towards the end where you'll see it by eye, one more load or 2 more etc. Nothing difficult about this at all, no math needed, just the machine and the material and a decent operator.

First off, you can't do this off a photo, there is no depth or perception, either make a rough site plan, provide dimensions, (area), then mark the fills in established areas so someone can quantify something.

I worked in this field on all sides of it, you can't guess at it. You can run trucks in and spot the loads and eyeball it if there is room, but don't forget compaction or you will be short. If you stockpile and guess, you could be short or have excess.

Concrete is another material estimated like this, you can't arbitrarily eyeball it, you need to lay it out and you need good dimensions to be accurate, site work is not nearly as detailed, but you still need some decent information.

You may not have thought of either of these things as well. Can this fill be certified to be clean and not contaminated? One does need to use care with that, you never know.

With the revised work on the site, are there any drainage issues, and if so, does it effect an existing site plan and does it add to existing infrastructure? Towns can get really particular about it. I know of one locally in that situation and he's lucky it calculated out and did not overload existing drainage.
 
That is correct, cu.ft. will be the larger number, don't mind me, came in late last night, wrote it backwards without proof reading.

100' x 100' = 10,000 sq. ft. x 3' (of fill for example) = 30,000 cu. ft./27 = 1111.11 cubic yards.

Too late to think at those hours, thank you for the correction !
 

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