2N And Chisel Plow?

Well, now that I have gotten my oat hay finished, I am going to rip up the field next door so that I can kill off the weeds BEFORE they go to seed!

A good friend of mine has advised me to chisel the field where the Ferns were, then just disc the rest of it, rather than plow it all under. What do you guys think?

I have this Dearborn Chisel Plow, and it is in good working shape. Think I have 7 tines on it.

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I want to try to use it with my 2N. I know it will have the power for it, but I am concerned about the gearing. 1st is a little too quick in my opinion, but we all know that millions of acres have been plowed with a 2x12 / 2x14 plow in 1st behind a 2N, so do you guys think it will handle this chisel?

Fluid in the rear tires, and a good bit of snort for sure.

I have the TO-30 I could use too, but that tractor is so pretty and special to me, that I really hate to get it dirty!!!

Here is the 2N... GOOOOOOOD machine!
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looks like a 2 row corn cultivator to me, good for light tillage but it aint a chisel plow, a true cheisel plow would be way too much for a 2N. very good looking N btw, working on a '46 myself.

Oh no, no corn around here!!!

It has two large spring PER shank, and a replaceable, dual sided, cutting edge on each shank. Built well for what it is...

Here are two better pictures of the same unit:

Mow it a couple times this year, kill it off good with roundup this fall, and go from there. You will have a mess if you try to work those weeds in right now.

I don't see how you could possibly do even a decent job with that cultivator. Looks too light and spacing between some of the shanks look wide. It for sure is not a chisel plow. You would need something like this in the link if you want to actually cultivate. But then you need a bigger tractor too.
Chisel plow

(quoted from post at 20:25:40 07/11/15) Well, now that I have gotten my oat hay finished, I am going to rip up the field next door so that I can kill off the weeds BEFORE they go to seed!

A good friend of mine has advised me to chisel the field where the Ferns were, then just disc the rest of it, rather than plow it all under. What do you guys think?

I have this Dearborn Chisel Plow, and it is in good working shape. Think I have 7 tines on it.

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I want to try to use it with my 2N. I know it will have the power for it, but I am concerned about the gearing. 1st is a little too quick in my opinion, but we all know that millions of acres have been plowed with a 2x12 / 2x14 plow in 1st behind a 2N, so do you guys think it will handle this chisel?

Fluid in the rear tires, and a good bit of snort for sure.

I have the TO-30 I could use too, but that tractor is so pretty and special to me, that I really hate to get it dirty!!!

Here is the 2N... GOOOOOOOD machine!
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I'm sure it will pull it...cause as dry as it is that chisel will probably just scratch the surface. I pull a 7 shank with my 65hp tractor and it's a load pulling it 10" deep.
Of course mine is a "real" chisel plow :lol:

Hey now! Mine is a "real" chisel plow tooooo!

Just a little, tiny, toy size one...

I am going to give it a go. Hoping to get 6 inches out of it, even if after a few passes...

Up this way we call what you have a field cultavator. I have one here for my Farmall Cub that is built like the ones in your picture. The other one with the bigger tractor is more on the line of a chistl plow

Yeah, that's just a two row cultivator. I have one for my 9n and I use it every year to rip up my garden. They will really dig down deep eventually but you have to make about 10 passes on the garden to get it fit up. I wouldn't want to try to fit up a whole field with it!

We called the one we had like that a 9 shank tiller. We used it behind an 8n and later a MF 135 gas tractor. Used it after the ground had been loosened up in previous plantings. Also moved the shanks around and made a cultivator out of it. Hard rocky soil in Tn. Bury it all the way to the frame.

If you are not going to plow it up this year, I would just run the disc over everything several times. That other thing won't work very well at killing weeds. You won't get all the roots pulled out.

Bryce,

When that tool was sold new by ford , it was a Ferguson (orchard tool),

I have one and still use it. It would make an 8n grunt in 2nd gear ,but it

really does a nice job ,I use it now on a case 300 or 730 to loosen

garden before tilling.


george

I got one of those Dearborn things a few years ago. Nice for working up small plots.

It is a bit heavier than a typical field cultivator; but far from anything we would call a chisel plow.

Anyhow, should be designed for your tractor. It works good in loose spring soil. Not sure it will cut into dry summer hard dirt like a real chisel plow?

Paul

itll go in might take 3 or 4 passes but if the points are good itll get softer work one way then an pick a angle hit it again pick another angle hit it again

Thats a field cultivator not a chisel plow they're popular where the soil is naturally pretty loose.Around my area where we have red clay better figure on about 15 HP per shank pulling a real chisel plow 16" deep.

We had one with rigid shanks as a field cultivator. I started driving the 2N when I was 8; Dad had me out killing patches of quack grass by cultivation the patches every week to pull up roots to the surface so the sun could dry them out. Kept me busy all summer but I killed a lot of quack grass because it was a dry summer. That was before chemicals were available.

Bryce, we used one of those for years behind an 8N. I wound up taking the outside 2 shanks off and it pulled much easier. Putting a bit of weight on it will help it penetrate. Used one a lot to work up gardens before discing.
Finally sold it to a fella that restored it to work up deer plots.
Richard in NW SC

nice implement
very popular and expensive up here.
Great for cultivating or working up ground that has been regularly worked, like a garden or food plot in the spring and fall.
Tough, never worked ground...naw, if you could get it to dig in,
it would break or pretzel.

I learned that in one of my early classes in Farming 101 at Hard Knocks University....where I got my farming education. Got out here
local home town boy selling junk he picks up here and there. Sold me just such as that. Got her out all excited and all on my dry black
clay and all it did was bounce across the top.

However, get her loosened up with something else and you can keep her loosened up with that if you stay after it. A 6 month stretch
can be too long if you don't catch the clay just right.

Good luck and again, nice looking restoration on the power plant part. Just why the MF colors on the Ford?

Bryce, in Alabama it would be called a spring plow, all purpose plow, orchard plow, or chisel plow depending on who you are talking to. They work fine for busting up the soil but will not bury the vegetation like a turn over plow does. If the area is covered in grass and weeds it will come right back with a vengeance unless you kill it off first.

Sounds to me like the general consensus is that it is too light duty of an implement?

I don't want to make 10 passes over it, at that point, I had might as well just plow it, which I have no problem doing, I just want to try to kill off those ferns as best as possible. Without sprays/herbicides.

There is a small plot where I will need to plow it, just because I was unable to in this horribly wet spring! I am going to get a single shank sub soiler too, and rip that area up a little, to help with drainage.

Should I just take the plow down there and plow the whole thing all over again?

Or should I try to just disc it all up this right now, then IF weeds grow back, disc it again, then MAYBE plow it in the spring? What do you guys think?

forget about farming today and take the girl on a picnic? (lol)

Now THERE is a plan I can get on board with!

Actually spent nearly all day with her Friday, then went dancing that night. She is busy with her family all weekend (has company here).

I am working at the farm tomorrow, but then Tuesday is the day! Going to go to the beach, and mess around out our way, then take 4 wheelers up to the top of "Gold Hill" and do a little camping!

MY kind of date for sure!

Plow all the weeds and trash that is on top under now, then hit it with the disc to break up the big clods. Then you can use that cultivator to kill off any new weeds that may emerge over the next month or two. Are you planning to plant some new hay/grass on that field this fall?

No, I am going to run Oats in it again in the spring.

I don't have any kind of a contract with the land owner, and he isn't charging me for use of the field, however he is working on cleaning the place up, and we talked about it, and I think that next year is going to be my last year IN the field... If it sells, I won't be able to farm it (unless the new owner is cool with it)

So I don't want to put a bunch of Timothy in it, then watch it all rot 3 years from now when I can't touch it.

I don't think that the ferns will come up this fall, BUT, an interesting thought would be to plow and disc it this fall, have it all ready to go in the spring. (kill off any weeds that do come back this year) Then when spring comes around, and the field is just nice, ready to grow dirt, if the ferns start coming up BEFORE I have planted, I could chisel them under...

I like that though to be honest. The way I look at it, I am very confident with my Super C and plow, and the disc, but I have NO experience with 3 point stuff on the N tractors. How to set it up, depth control, draft, etc. Very inexperienced there...

Bryce, those implements were called a tiller when Ferguson brought them out in 39 for the 9N tractor, they were avaible in both a 7 and 9 shank version. There is not enough ground glearance for ant trash on top a nd not enough for cultivating anny crop. That is where the modern chisel plow developed from. Now as for power if you could get it to depth you WILL NOT have enough power. You depending on your soil if easy working then you might pull it at 4" deep but 3" would be more like it. And 2-14" is too much plow for that tractor. My 1944 2N bought new by Dad in May of 44 he bought the plow with it (I still have both), they brought out a 14" plow with the tractor and tried to get the outfit started, they after they tried making 2 rounds loaded up that 14" plow and took it back and brought out a 12" plow and that was used for years with no problems. I have that Ferguson tiller in the 9 shank model and we pulled it with a Ford 4000 with the 38" rear wheels rated at 52 horse, your N is 23 horse and the fergey is 29 horse. That 4000 was rebored, that model does not use sleeves, twice so that much overbore and put out 60 horse on the dyno. In the easier highly eroadable working soil in bean stubble with no residue on top worked OK with that 4000 but the 44 2N would not have budged it. And you are not supposed to use that in low gear but in intermediate as they depend on speed to do the fracturing of the soil. If you are pulling a moldboard in low gear you have too big of a plow on them as they are also designed for intermediate and full wide oppen throttle. And there is no way they will tear out any plants. That is why field cultivators run sweep type shovels instead of those double point shovels. Use that plow and as soon as the condition of the soil is right for disking do that, do not go acording to plant size. Then for later weed control get the sweeps for that tiller and before ground gets hard work every time weeds start to show up. And go cross ways for each consectuitive pass, You might just want to put a drag behind it to level it off enough so you can actually drive at speed needed and still stay on the tractor and not be bounced off. If your soil is type they plant the potatoes in it is easier worrking type but you say you are a few miles from the potato area so it is not likely to be the easier working soil.

We've got a lot of clay and thick loam around here. Nothing like potato country!

I think I am just going to plow the whole thing then.

I hadn't even though about "Sweeps", but I have a whole pile of them that I got from somewhere... Need to look and see if they will bolt onto that chisel plow.

Going outside right now to get the plow ready to go!

Bryce nice looking erskline snow thrower. my son has one that I bought in pine city mn. it works very well in the right condition. in the wrong condition its a heavy back blade. good luck with your working you ground. Bob

(quoted from post at 07:05:24 07/12/15) We've got a lot of clay and thick loam around here. Nothing like potato country!

I think I am just going to plow the whole thing then.

I hadn't even though about "Sweeps", but I have a whole pile of them that I got from somewhere... Need to look and see if they will bolt onto that chisel plow.

Going outside right now to get the plow ready to go!

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If I tried plowing now it would just skate on this dry ground...hope you have better luck! I'd just brush hog it until we get some rain.

We've gotten about 1/2 inch of rain here yesterday/last night.

Ground seems to be pretty good, I will give it a go and see what happens! By no means does it need to be brush hogged. Weeds are just barely taller than the 3 inches of stubble that the swather left behind.

Called those field cultivators or renevators when I was young seen them with duck feet and crow feet worked good for keeping weeds down that were in summer fallow.

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Use it and enjoy it if your N is up to snuff it will pull it. I use mine all the time if I could only own one plow this would be it... On new ground overlap each pass life will be good...

Yore N is limited to what it can do use your head and you can make do with that plow and love it...