24d and cows

01gentdc · May 17, 2015

I am thinkin to take cows off pasture , , but how long before they can come bak on ?,..gotta spray 24d on buttercup that has turned my pastures a pretty yellow.. it will kill my clover too ,, durn it !../ unless any of you fellas know of a better product ? thanx jim

FBH44 · May 17, 2015

Read the label.

John B. · May 17, 2015

I would ask your local spray company or Co-op.

Texasmark1 · May 17, 2015

+1. It's stated there for several circumstances, like lactating dairy cattle, cattle for slaughter, etc.

dzc3 · May 17, 2015

Could you just clip it and save the clover?

01gentdc · May 17, 2015

that is a thought , mite just do nuthin ,,. LOL . because stuff is short enuf already , and will probably be gone in a week to 10 days anyway ....the cows don't like to eat it either ..guess it was always there , but got choked out by grass and clover in other yrs ,,.. this yr , too many moo moos and ma-maas on there to give the grass some growing space ...

Lazy WP · May 17, 2015

Why ask someone else's opinion? The spray company can't legally tell you. All a person has to do is read the label!!!!

john in la · May 17, 2015

Here I go giving advise where I should keep my mouth shut as I have no idea where you live and no idea what kind of cows (beef dairy) we are talking about. Do you hay this pasture? What kind of pasture are you trying to save (Bahia; Bermuda)?

Killing buttercup is all about timing. You need to spray when young and before they flower. To late for that around here.

Buttercup is "USUALLY" a sign of poor over grazed under limed and under fertilized pasture.
It does not compete well with a good stand of grass. Nothing will eat them as they are toxic to livestock so they thrive in a over grazed pasture. A good stand of winter rye grass that compete with the buttercup in the early spring will knock it down.

As far as spraying I would be looking into Clarity/Banvel (dicamba) (No waiting period between treatment and grazing for nonlactating animals. Remove meat animals from treated areas 30 days prior to slaughter) or a 24d mix like Crossbow (2,4-D + triclopyr) (Remove meat animals from treated areas or dried hay 3 days prior to slaughter) OR ForeFront (aminopyralid + 2,4-D) (Do not transfer grazing animals for 3 days from treated areas to areas with Milestone sensitive-species)

formerly ny bill · May 17, 2015

jim, the label for 2,4-D amine is here.
http://www.agrian.com/pdfs/24-D_Amine_4_Label3.pdf
there are other formulations of 2,4-D too, in case you have something else.
a little over halfway down are the recs for pasture and hay. looks like the interval to cut is only 7 days. i have patches of buttercups in some of my fields too. like you say, they choke out anything else that was there.

Bigbudsoda · May 17, 2015

24DB will not kill clover. Make sure it has the "B" at the end.
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Pair-a-dice farm · May 17, 2015

(quoted from post at 09:54:36 05/17/15) Here I go giving advise where I should keep my mouth shut as I have no idea where you live and no idea what kind of cows (beef dairy) we are talking about. Do you hay this pasture? What kind of pasture are you trying to save (Bahia; Bermuda)?

Killing buttercup is all about timing. You need to spray when young and before they flower. To late for that around here.

Buttercup is "USUALLY" a sign of poor over grazed under limed and under fertilized pasture.
It does not compete well with a good stand of grass. Nothing will eat them as they are toxic to livestock so they thrive in a over grazed pasture. A good stand of winter rye grass that compete with the buttercup in the early spring will knock it down.

As far as spraying I would be looking into Clarity/Banvel (dicamba) (No waiting period between treatment and grazing for nonlactating animals. Remove meat animals from treated areas 30 days prior to slaughter) or a 24d mix like Crossbow (2,4-D + triclopyr) (Remove meat animals from treated areas or dried hay 3 days prior to slaughter) OR ForeFront (aminopyralid + 2,4-D) (Do not transfer grazing animals for 3 days from treated areas to areas with Milestone sensitive-species)

Are there different kinds of buttercup? What we have in NEAR will grow anywhere but mainly on fertilized ground that is mainly bermuda or late season summer grass. I agree that it doesn't like competition and a good stand of fescue or ryegrass will crowd it out. I seldom spray it because my cattle like it and will eat it up until it flowers with no adverse effects that I can tell.

From my experience it's best to spray buttercup as soon as it starts growing in early spring or even early winter if it's warm. I've had good luck killing it at a lower rate of 2,4-D and it won't kill my clover.

john in la · May 17, 2015

You will have to copy and paste the address but here are some extensions write ups about buttercup.
And yes there are over 600 sub species of Ranunculus that thrive from low wet lands to high dry land.

http://wilkes.ces.ncsu.edu/2015/02/tired-of-seeing-buttercup-in-your-pasture/

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/grazer/February13_Buttercups_in_Grazed_Pastures.php

Pair-a-dice farm · May 17, 2015

I've not had any of the problems that they list but I may have just been lucky. My pasture is mixed with fescue and clover but buttercup is mixed in. Where the buttercup is the thickest is also where there is the most clover.

David G · May 17, 2015

I have had good luck with Trimec, not sure on the grazing time, but I allow at least a month.

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