German built F12 Farmall

A gentleman posted a German built F12 Farmall diesel for sale on this sites photo ads. My question is, was there such a tractor factory built with a 30's diesel motor, or was this a conversion that someone put together using a German diesel motor.

Since the engine is alot redder than the rest of it, Id say a conversion, but those rear hubs dont look like any of that style hubs Ive seen. I do know there was a german diesel version of the IH F12/14 engine, and looks almost identical to the gas version, but not like that one, and the one Ive seen wasnt in a 12 or 14.

That is a factory diesel F-12. They made diesels in Europe.I think France,rather that Germany. The European tractors all had wide fronts and diesel engines. I have never understood why the Europeans got the Diesel Engines and wide fronts as standard equipment,while we Americans only got gas engines.Seems that IH made different/seperate models of tractors for the foreign manufactureing and markets.Like the direct start BMD/B450(those tractors also had factory 3 point hitches) while we Americans were stuck with the old gas start diesels

(quoted from post at 06:44:03 05/04/15) That is a factory diesel F-12. They made diesels in Europe.I think France,rather that Germany. The European tractors all had wide fronts and diesel engines. I have never understood why the Europeans got the Diesel Engines and wide fronts as standard equipment,while we Americans only got gas engines.Seems that IH made different/seperate models of tractors for the foreign manufactureing and markets.Like the direct start BMD/B450(those tractors also had factory 3 point hitches) while we Americans were stuck with the old gas start diesels

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Also, why did the europeans get the mechanical front wheel assist 30 years or so before it was even offered over here?

The reason for this was they were paying $3.00 for gas when we paid $.30. The front assist was because
their roads are so narrow you can't get down them easily with duals. Back then you were talking about
less than 100 hp and you can get that to the ground cheaper with duals than front assist.

I think the perception was that most American farmers back decades ago would not spend the extra money for FWD. Tractors under 100 hp were more efficient in terms of drawbar power versus engine horsepower for a given model tractor. Another issue was that adding FWD meant a redesign of a power train as most manufacturers could not do FWD as an add-on feature. The add-ons that did go on such as with the 06/56 IH tractors were not the best as steering was relatively inefficient. Once a tractor was released on the market the manufacturers pushed for as much return as possible financially from that design. Look how JD pushed the two cylinders and IH pushed the model M design. It's easy to talk about spending money for designs but you have to worry about what the cheapskate manufacturers are doing because if they have a successful model then they have a leg up on profit. JD used the profit on the two cylinders to help build the company into what we see today.

(quoted from post at 06:44:03 05/04/15) That is a factory diesel F-12. They made diesels in Europe.I think France,rather that Germany. The European tractors all had wide fronts and diesel engines. I have never understood why the Europeans got the Diesel Engines and wide fronts as standard equipment,while we Americans only got gas engines.Seems that IH made different/seperate models of tractors for the foreign manufactureing and markets.Like the direct start BMD/B450(those tractors also had factory 3 point hitches) while we Americans were stuck with the old gas start diesels

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IH had a factory in Yorkshire England which built a version of the US model M fitted with British IH built indirect injection diesel engine from 1952 onwards - they also made a gas start vaporising oil version of that engine for the declining British market and for sales to other Countries.
The model was the BM with vaporising oil engine and BMD with diesel engine.
The tractor model was "improved" over the years until 1966 the final version were B-450 standard & B-450 Farmall
Most tractors here were either standard or wide front rowcrop styles.
The last version B-450 was also converted into 4wd by fitting a Roadless-Manual front axle.

The 4wd [smaller front wheels] system were invented by the Italian tractor manufacturers.

IH Britain only sold British built tractors & implements - many were variations on US designs. IH France & IH Germany were seperate companies and sold their production onto mainland Europe only. Most were very different models to those built in Britain.

I have seen German built diesel F12. But it may have been built in the 1940s. Other countries didn't always update the models as fast as US factories. And you will find 3 point hitch on European tractors long before it was common here. Diesel has been the fuel of choice in Europe for a long time. I have a British Leyland 154 in gasoline. There were some folks here visiting from UK so I got it out to show. They oohed and aahed and said "Petrol!" All theirs are diesel.

Also consider Europe taxes Diesel for less than Gasoline, here in the good old USA we tax Diesel at a higher rate than Gasoline.

The German IH factory built a diesel version of the Farmall F-12 engine (3-1/8 inch bore) 132 Ci. about 6 months before IH England built a glow-plug start diesel version of the Farmall M engine. The first of these went into late production F-12 tractors. Slightly prior to that they experimented with the FGD-2 (58 tractors) using a third party MWM 2 cylinder diesel engines in a F-12.
The F-12 (FS and FS rubber or steel wheeled) tractors were replace in 1951 with the "DF-25 Farmall" (3555 tractors) basically a F-12 frame, rounded Farmall H style fuel tank, steering box under tank and cowled front end. The engine produced 25 Hp at 1800 rpm. The gearbox had 4 forward and 1 reverse gear