I went to the CaseIH dealer today and got 6 (six) flexible rubber seed tubes for that IH number 10 grain drill,same tubes as a 510. $144.90. I kept smiling and making small talk while I wrote the check,no sense going off on Jan,she doesn't price this stuff,but it gets harder to smile every time something is that ridiculous.
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Bob Bancroft
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- Aurora NY
The part about that which bothers me is that they probably buy them from someone for a fraction of what they sell them for.
494307C1 rubber handle- $9.55 from CNH. Same part is/was apparently used on trucks- you can find it several places on the internet- about $35!!!!!!
I had refused to pay CNH price on the pneumatic door cylinders for a tractor cab. While I had the tractor in the shop earlier, I did some on line shopping. Got them from Abilene Machine. Even with freight they were much cheaper.
494307C1 rubber handle- $9.55 from CNH. Same part is/was apparently used on trucks- you can find it several places on the internet- about $35!!!!!!
I had refused to pay CNH price on the pneumatic door cylinders for a tractor cab. While I had the tractor in the shop earlier, I did some on line shopping. Got them from Abilene Machine. Even with freight they were much cheaper.
There are costs involved. They usually repackage it, create a computerized inventory system with schematics and real pictures, assign it a a special company inventory number, store it for many years hoping you will show up, etc. etc. But yes, the prices are sometimes silly; correction, usually silly.
But $24.15 for a light piece of rubber flew hose 16 inches long? I've been kinda miffed about the price of some Hesston parts before,but they were at least steel with some tooling done on them. These things weren't even packaged,just loose in bulk in the bin. It just seemed excessive if anything ever was.
retired farmer
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Should have went to a hardware store and got some plastic hose. Our Ace Hardware has several different kinds back in their hose section.
mattwillson
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If you want to see a crazy price on something, try buying thumb screws for the side panels on a 656.....yeah, like I'm going to shell out $31.00 a piece for those....
On that danged IH drill it would have had to have been something as flexible as fire hose. There's so much travel in the thing that it stretches out when you lower it,then it has to flex and fold up in a curved position when it's raised. Believe me,I wracked my brain over it just because I didn't want to drive a 90 mile round trip to get them before I even knew what the price was.
Geez,to put it in perspective,go to some farm supply and buy a two foot long half inch hydraulic hose with a half inch N.P.T. male end on each end. It's not as expensive as these limp things. These are just like the fertilizer tube on the older planters.
Geez,to put it in perspective,go to some farm supply and buy a two foot long half inch hydraulic hose with a half inch N.P.T. male end on each end. It's not as expensive as these limp things. These are just like the fertilizer tube on the older planters.
I went to the local case ih store for a few rear end and axle seals for the BN -- 4 seals came to 107 dollars -- thats right 107 -- new store 2 years ago -- I told them I really didnt think I needed to pay for there new store on my own -- and also they could eat hamburger instead of steak every night-- good grief these prices take all the fun out of tractors-- I said to the dude at the counter that it said made in mexico on the seal and it was at 2.95 at the border and the rest was markup --yep thats where the steak comes from too -- yuk my two cents worth
I know, I picked up a 5 inch rim/hub/bearing for the green mower Thursday, $65.00. If it last another 1600 hours it will average out. There is a machine down the road that just makes parts for a Ford door lock.
The machine cost about 3 million to buy, and all parts to repair it must be hand fabricated(the company is out of business that built it.) When you order one lock, they build and sell Ford 5,000 of them.(minimum order) It just takes money,nobody works for free(except maybe a farmer)
The machine cost about 3 million to buy, and all parts to repair it must be hand fabricated(the company is out of business that built it.) When you order one lock, they build and sell Ford 5,000 of them.(minimum order) It just takes money,nobody works for free(except maybe a farmer)
I'm getting the same way. In recent years, I have been getting rid of my Case-IH-NH equipment because of those ridiculous prices. A few years ago I had a NH 255 rake tedder that broke a couple of little tabs that held the tine arms in the tedding position. Went to the NH dealer, and the things were $47 a copy. I passed, came home, and used a 3/8" bolt, cut the head off and welded a 3" long strap of 1-1/4"X3/8 flat bar to it. Total cost was about $1 for the bolt and steel and about 15 minutes in the shop. They were still on it when it left here a couple of years ago.....The apron chain on my spreader was $1900 from CNH, and $650 from Fry"s. A feed roll on my 892 chopper was some $1800, and $500 from Fry's. And that was WITH S&H!!!
onefarmer
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- Location
- 6735 S Lowell Rd, St Johns, Mi 48879
When I was rebuilding my Farmall M I needed a bunch of new seals. Multiples of most, so I ordered one of each from CaseIH and then went to a local CR seal vender using the part number off the CR seal Case sent. Some of the seals from CaseIH was over $25 and local CR was <$5
casecollectorsc
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- Location
- E central SD.
Cab solenoid...CNH..$186...Napa..$35.
tractorguy2
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John deere is just as bad. $100 for a starter drive for a 620. I can buy them for $35.00
1. It's still cheaper than a new one.
2. It's sure beats not being able to get parts at all.
What I don't understand here is, you guys *WANT* this! You guys vote for this every November! This is what unfettered free enterprise is all about! I guess it's only a good thing if you're the one raking in all the money eh?
2. It's sure beats not being able to get parts at all.
What I don't understand here is, you guys *WANT* this! You guys vote for this every November! This is what unfettered free enterprise is all about! I guess it's only a good thing if you're the one raking in all the money eh?
jimg.allentown
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Not to be contrary here, BUT......
Don't the 3rd party suppliers also have overhead, inventory, and logistics???
After all, it does seem that some of these parts prices are getting out of hand. And, for many of those high priced replacement parts, there are aftermarket replacements that cost a small fraction as much. Don't they also have overhead, inventory, and logistics as well???
Don't the 3rd party suppliers also have overhead, inventory, and logistics???
After all, it does seem that some of these parts prices are getting out of hand. And, for many of those high priced replacement parts, there are aftermarket replacements that cost a small fraction as much. Don't they also have overhead, inventory, and logistics as well???
I'm just wondering what it'll finally take for me to just say no and walk out the door. It hasn't happened yet,but someday,somebody's gonna throw a price at me that's just too over the top.
I still remember like it was yesterday the day that Dad went to get a part for a New Holland baler and he thought it was way overboard. I probably wasn't even ten years old yet,but I remember that being a long ride home with a lot of cursing and threats to quit farming.
I still remember like it was yesterday the day that Dad went to get a part for a New Holland baler and he thought it was way overboard. I probably wasn't even ten years old yet,but I remember that being a long ride home with a lot of cursing and threats to quit farming.
Yes, but if you pay attention the "3rd party suppliers" only deal in GENERIC parts. Things they can make thousands of and move thousands of.
Those grain drill hoses only fit the 10 and 510 drills, which there were only thousands of to begin with, and probably only hundreds left in use today. They don't go bad very often.
Contrast that with an ignition tuneup kit for a 4-cylinder Farmall tractor. These fit over a million tractors, of which tens of thousands are still in use.
Those grain drill hoses only fit the 10 and 510 drills, which there were only thousands of to begin with, and probably only hundreds left in use today. They don't go bad very often.
Contrast that with an ignition tuneup kit for a 4-cylinder Farmall tractor. These fit over a million tractors, of which tens of thousands are still in use.
OK I will add my $.O2 ALSO. The picture I posted a couple of days ago with my very nice leaf vacuum, well I would like the remote tube set up. Lets you vacuum under the bushes and around stuff. On ebay the cheapest is $150.oo for the kit. It is a collar a hose and a tube thing. wooof!
Dave H (MI)
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Randy...that is cuz you went into the high end farm equipment place! You expect to pay more at the Cadillac dealer.
blue water massey
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needed a seal for my massey tlb
AGCO dealer quotes me $69.95 each if he can find them
found them at a jobber less then 5 bucks taxes included for 2 of them
they arn't much smaller than 3 silver dollars stacked maybe 4
AGCO must think they are made of gold
yesterday at TSC I needed a 12mm bolt about 2 inches long cost me $5.95 for one bolt
the bag of 3/8 bolts nuts and washers about 50 of each cost me about 4 bucks in the same transaction
prices on some things just don't make sence
AGCO dealer quotes me $69.95 each if he can find them
found them at a jobber less then 5 bucks taxes included for 2 of them
they arn't much smaller than 3 silver dollars stacked maybe 4
AGCO must think they are made of gold
yesterday at TSC I needed a 12mm bolt about 2 inches long cost me $5.95 for one bolt
the bag of 3/8 bolts nuts and washers about 50 of each cost me about 4 bucks in the same transaction
prices on some things just don't make sence
old
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- Location
- Camdenton Missouri
Oh you mean like when I checked the price of grade 8 bolts for a ring gear in a IH 656 and I was told $32.50 each with nuts. Same bolts I can buy at a hardware store other then not square heads will cost me $32 for all 8 if not less
ShadetreeRet
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Randy, just a thought, but have you considered flexible hose of the type on a shop vac?
ShadetreeRet
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Yeah, three years ago I bought a F-150 with the spoke wheels, trim rings and center caps. The center caps were each held on with three 1/4 x 20 slotted oval head screws. When I retired in 2003 we sold them by the pocketfull at about a quarter apiece. I went to the local dealer and they wanted $6.00 each! And there were a total of 12. I found them at Lowe's Home Improvement for about a dollar apiece!
I guess it's all in your perspective. CIH and other dealer's prices may seem ridiculously high, but the sales volumes are probably so low that if you crunched the numbers I doubt they would cover the real costs to the company.
I am somewhat amazed that you can still get new OEM parts off the shelf at any price for a forty year old machine, sold in low numbers (less than 1000 per year?) by a company that went through bankruptcy thirty years ago and has changed corporate ownership two or three times since them. Many companies discontinue support for their obsolete machines, or only produce repair parts to order instead of stocking parts in inventory.
Did IH design their drill to use standard off-the shelf tubes available almost everywhere or are the tubes a special design only used on a few models of IH drills? If the tubes are a special design, what would it cost for another company to draw up those parts, build production molds and tooling, produce, inspect, package, transport, inventory, warranty and sell those parts in small quantities if the parts became NLA (No Longer Available) from CIH-NH? At a price of less than $25 each, today's sales volumes would probably be too low to ever recover the initial investment, much less return a profit to an alternate producer.
I am somewhat amazed that you can still get new OEM parts off the shelf at any price for a forty year old machine, sold in low numbers (less than 1000 per year?) by a company that went through bankruptcy thirty years ago and has changed corporate ownership two or three times since them. Many companies discontinue support for their obsolete machines, or only produce repair parts to order instead of stocking parts in inventory.
Did IH design their drill to use standard off-the shelf tubes available almost everywhere or are the tubes a special design only used on a few models of IH drills? If the tubes are a special design, what would it cost for another company to draw up those parts, build production molds and tooling, produce, inspect, package, transport, inventory, warranty and sell those parts in small quantities if the parts became NLA (No Longer Available) from CIH-NH? At a price of less than $25 each, today's sales volumes would probably be too low to ever recover the initial investment, much less return a profit to an alternate producer.
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
That's why I try to buy a parts machine for everything I run that I use much,often one or two parts I pull off will more than cover the cost of the part machine.
Well......I wasn't making any threats to quit. I was philosophical about it. I also stopped in along the way to where I'd bought some plow points and moldboards Monday. I got a bill in the mail yesterday from them for $10.24. Said they didn't add the bill right and would I please send them the difference. I stopped and paid them in person. Easy come,easy go.
1948CaseVAI
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There has not been unfettered free enterprise in this country in several generations. Free enterprise would inject competition that would allow for downward pressure on prices. The horrible gubment that is in place has killed nearly all US manufacturing which is why it all comes from overseas. With the treasonous EPA and OSHA on the prowl there is no way to manufacture things in this country at a reasonable cost. Even the new health law has made it much more expensive for corporations to staff up enough to store these parts and track them - can you imagine what it takes to track, store and manage millions of part numbers?
I agree with Mr. Lund that the price is outrageous, but the fault is not all on the back of the dealer or the tractor company - much of the fault is ours for letting this country go to the dogs.
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