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I will do this as politely as I can so it won't get poofed, but what are you paying for electricity? We here in Ontario have bee told that as of May 1 we get to pay 16.1 cents/kWhr during the peak usage time frame of 11am to 5 pm.
I will have to change my block heater timers so they run only in the off peak(8 cents/kW hr) and mid peak (12.2 cents/kW hr). Sure glad we got all those turbine spinning!
 
Just be thankfull you don't have a bussiness that uses power , and must be open during "peak" time. But Wait , there is more !!! The witch that runs the province ,wants to sell 60% of Ontario Hydro, and you just know how well the sale of highway 407 has worked for us. We will all be going Amish before too long.
 
I don't see the problem with charging a premium for peak usage. They have the technology at meters to know when you used power and can charge you what they want. Seems to me that's the capitalist way. If you don't like it, find a cheaper way to make electricity on your own. I bet you'll be hard pressed to come up with something short of solar/wind with a long payback period provided you live in a region with steady wind, abundant sunshine, or both.
 
My delivery charge is almost as much as the power we use,on my last bill my delivery was $180.People used to say the mob was bad, they got nothing on Ontario Hydro.
 
I thought Canada had cheap hydro power . We're burning coal down here and it doesn't cost that much.{ or maybe I better go look at my last bill]
 
My latest bill in Wichita KS is 6.4 cents per kwh for energy. With delivery charge and fuel fee the total goes up to 9.3 cents per kwh. Thank goodness for nuclear and coal.
 
About $0.10 per Kw-Hr here from a regulated public utility. That's still much cheaper than trying to generate my own electric power.
 
(quoted from post at 13:38:51 04/21/15) Be careful Bruce she might try outlawing milking cows!
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ah...just won't be allowed to let them belch, fart, or poop! :evil:
 
Amish aren't that further ahead around here they use diesel motors to power shops do the milking and power up the air supply for the rest of the equipment . That doesn't include propane for lights and refergerator and some heat. Some of the Amish figure it's cheaper to use electric but it's not allowed . Saying that I have seen a freezer powered by horse's old refrigeration unit off a semi they had a jack shafts to the treadmill horse gets on they get it cold it will stay OK
 
Instead of a satellite dish on a rooftop, there should be a mini windmill up there that generates electricity and subsidizes your electric bill. Imagine that.....
 
(quoted from post at 09:51:04 04/21/15) I will do this as politely as I can so it won't get poofed, but what are you paying for electricity? We here in Ontario have bee told that as of May 1 we get to pay 16.1 cents/kWhr during the peak usage time frame of 11am to 5 pm.
I will have to change my block heater timers so they run only in the off peak(8 cents/kW hr) and mid peak (12.2 cents/kW hr). Sure glad we got all those turbine spinning!
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A little over 14 kwhr
 
The mini wind turbine , not a wind mill......they are mostly banned by myself municipalities due to height and noise restrictions . Plus to obtain any usable amounts of power. the swept area starts at 10ft dia and up. Wind turbines also tend to generate when needed the least.
 
If you read the article, you will see that "....over half of the expected increase is due to nuclear and hydro maintenance and expansion, while renewables account for some of the remainder..." With wind power at 13.5 cemts per kwh and solar contracts now reduced to the 60 cent range, it becomes apparent which power source(s) are resposible for the increase...and lets not forget the over 11,000 hydro one employees on the sunshine list and the three top executives of Hydro One whose combined pay is in the millions, the billions being spent on the new underground tunnel at Niagara and the billions projected for the deep ground repository somwhere in Ontario and......

Ben
 
Ontario used to have cheap electricity , no more . Peak rate with all the added fees and taxes runs about 24cents per KW hr.
 
Nuclear is generating for 6-7 cents and that is paying for wages, high and low level storage, and decommissioning . It's the wind turbines at 13.5 cents, natural gas at 16.5 cents and solar at between 39.5 and 80.2 cents . That is running up the rate payers costs.
Nights and weekends nuclear doesn't even get paid and hydro electric spills water past the turbines . As "green" power has the priority to generate when ever they want for their guarentied rate.
In fact Ontario paid over a billion last year to give surplus power away to Michigan and New York . While green was being paid 13.5, 16.5 and 39.5-80.2 .
I'm surprised at how many of the general public have no idea of the scandals. The OPP just received an 8% increase to pay them to look the other way. From fhe natural gas election scandal and the Sudbury election scandal.
 
13.8 /Kw southern IN. That for a minimum monthly use. Think you get a cheaper rate if you go to high use like 2500 kw/month. This is rural cooperative. The trend is more coal plants close from environmental rules which is raising everyone's rates. We used to get electric for .11/kw 2-3 yrs ago.
 
This Virginia coop is .16/kwh for total. Actual electric billing is only 47% of the bill. If we used more kwh, our effective rate would drop.

I'm overdue for starting my experiment with windmill(s), fish pond, and micro-hydro, which are all the same experiment. As the hydro guy I asked said: "With a 250' head you can pee and generate electricity." The fish pond guy thought I was attempting perpetual motion. Not quite.
 
Hey, we got you beat here in massachusetts 16.2

Although you said Ontario - is that 16.1 canadian dollars?
 
I pay a bit less than .11 per KWH depending on the cost adjustment as wholesale rate the rural coops pays varies some during the year. There is also a $24.00 per month flat service charge for each meter.
 
Yep Canadian $ so add about 20% as well as 13% HST, delivery charge and "debt retirement charge". The last two will sometimes be more than the electricity.
 
Bingo. Rates will indeed rise as barry shuts down coal plants.

Local coal plant is closing next month, one up river about 4 or 5 miles in a couple of years.

Lots of good jobs vanishing as well.

Dean
 
New nuclear has been budgeted at over 22 cents KW/h. The debt retirement charge on your bill reflects the fact that electrical energy (among many other factors) and plant construction costs were much higher than anticipated, especially with the cost overuns involving nuclear energy. Ontarioans have been paying that charge long before any current green energy came on line and we will be paying it for gosh knows how much longer. We have also been diverting power to other jurisdictions well before green power came on line, as well as receiving powwer from them during their surpluses. I fully agree with you that the green energy act, as being undertaken, is full of flaws and scandals, as most goverment programs are--remember Mulroney and Airbus as only one example--but to blame wind turbines for every increase in hydro rates is simply not considering all the factors that contribute to those increases.

Ben
 
When all is said and done, we're at 11.4c/kwh in eastern PA. I can also see a nuclear plant from just about anywhere in town only 10-15 miles away. It's been creeping up over the years.
 
Here in Michigan, averaged 7.2 cents/kwh on last bill + 5 cents delivery charge, so a little over 12.2 cents. Then add a bunch of "surcharges" which don't seem like much but they add up.

I don't blame the utilities. They provide good, reliable energy with little downtime. If you don't believe that, talk to people from other countries where rolling blackouts are the norm. In Lebanon, people in million dollar condos run an extension cord out a window during blackouts and pay up to $400/month to hook up to private generators. Why not build more generating stations? The bureaucrats are in cahoots with the backup generator guys.

The problem here is the government trying to force us into a "green" society, no matter the cost. Here in the US, the 2025 CAFE standards will raise the cost of a new car several thousands of dollars JUST TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS! I'm sure the gov'ment will be coming up with NEW mandates over the next 10 years to add to that.
 
The wind turbine could also create excess electricity that the power company has to buy back from you. I believe Congress passed that law several decades ago.
I believe the technology can be there to make these turbines more enviro-friendly. It wasn't that long ago when a television satellite dish was almost as big as your house, and had to be anchored in your back yard.
 
(quoted from post at 16:08:12 04/21/15) Here in Michigan, averaged 7.2 cents/kwh on last bill + 5 cents delivery charge, so a little over 12.2 cents. Then add a bunch of "surcharges" which don't seem like much but they add up.

I don't blame the utilities. They provide good, reliable energy with little downtime. If you don't believe that, talk to people from other countries where rolling blackouts are the norm. In Lebanon, people in million dollar condos run an extension cord out a window during blackouts and pay up to $400/month to hook up to private generators. Why not build more generating stations? The bureaucrats are in cahoots with the backup generator guys.

The problem here is the government trying to force us into a "green" society, no matter the cost. Here in the US, the 2025 CAFE standards will raise the cost of a new car several thousands of dollars JUST TO MEET THOSE STANDARDS! I'm sure the gov'ment will be coming up with NEW mandates over the next 10 years to add to that.
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When I calculate the cost, I add all the charges in then divide by the number of kwhrs. To me, that is a better metric.

Consumer's had a special charge for years to clear the books for the Maryville fiasco. That almost broke them. We are still paying for the decommissioning of older nuke plants.
 
Mine runs about .10 per kw/h from our local coop, no monthly per meter fees except 9.00 for the big outside light on the pole.

What gets me is I have a meter on my units that allows them to cut them off periodically at peak times to save energy. Doesn't really affect me so they say and I get a $25 credit every October. Nice but I tried to tell them I should be getting that credit for each unit but they did not go for that. Also occasionally on my bill is an "adjustment" of 10-25.00 depending on whatever they decide the power bill should be that month, usually during peak months in the heat of the summer and dead of the winter.

I appreciate electricity but the whole lack of competition gets me irritated, and don't start me on the phone company either...
 

We have a county wide negotiated group rate of something like 6.8 cents. Each township has to vote to join the group or not. You can opt out, but that would be nuts since normal rate is almost 8. Coal fired plants, that external_link's EPA wants to close, 5 or 6 in Ohio alone.
 
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I appreciate electricity but the whole lack of competition gets me irritated, and don't start me on the phone company either...
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As for phones, you can drop your land line for cell service, assuming you get service where you live. We did and are saving about $25 a month over what we used to pay to the phone company. Using mobiles too.
 
Here in Northern California we have PG&E. We are on sliding scale, the more you use the higher the rate. More than half of our bill is about .40 cents per kWh. I would have to look it up but it is at least that much. We are still paying for the Enron debacle and now their gas explosion.
 
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