Antibiotics laws

notjustair · Apr 8, 2015

Does anyone know the particulars of the new antibiotic laws for 2016? I know that things like Euromiacin crumbles will have to come through a vet, but what about medicated chick starter or medicated mineral? Are those going away as well? I have been known to put Euromiacin in the mixer grinder to fill the weening pigglet feeders. I'm guessing the Coop won't be able to get that. They weren't sure when I started asking questions. How long do those crumbles last? If I buy about six bags and keep them dry will they keep?

GregCO · Apr 9, 2015

This stinks. So now us farmers that have a good grasp of what to use and when to use it are going to get our hands tied trying to care for our animals. I normally have a good selection of meds on hand all the time so I'm not out of luck on a weekend or in the middle of the night when I have an animal that really needs it. I have been really fortunate that I have a VET that will normally give me whatever I ask for to have on hand just in case so I'm not stuck in a pinch. This may really screw that plan all up.
The water soluble meds for birds and even our cows, goats, sheep, and the rest, are part of our normal routine and treatment as they grow and they need protected against whatever is going on at different times of the year.
This is just one more push to get the small producers and the hobby farms to go away.

Greg

Traditional Farmer · Apr 9, 2015

Antibiotics should be reserved for sick animals not just fed on a routine basis,I have a herd of cattle and rarely have to give any antibiotics and thats usually for something like a cut or wound of some type.Can't remember last time that was needed.Anyone that has to feed antibiotics to their animals on a regular basis to keep them alive really needs to look at how they raising and keeping their animals.Abusing and the over use of antibiotics in farm animals is what brought on the new regulations.

Bruce from Can. · Apr 9, 2015

Our dairy is small, milking 60 cows this morning. we run just over 100-125 head total. We have been living with these kind of rules for several years, don't make much difference to me so far.We don't move many cattle in and out, and never buy from a sale barn.Keep stress as low as we can on cattle,and farmer, as well as keep a close eye on little things before they become big trouble. I know this will be tough for feed lot operators that have no choice but to bring stock into there herd. For that you are going to need a transition pen/farm. life will get complicated, vets get more$$$ , and this will not reflect in higher price to the farmer. Bruce

1130Leo · Apr 9, 2015

It seems like they continue to do everything they can to make it so only the BTO's that are so large they have their own vet on staff can operate. I agree antibiotics should only be used when actually necessary, however, not having them available when really needed will cause us small time operators that can't get a vet quickly will loose more cattle which will put some of us out of business all together. like everything else, more regulations brought on by people who have no clue how things really work, or won't work after thier intervention.

JD Seller · Apr 9, 2015

Traditional Farmer: How many cattle do you have on feed?????? Right now my family has over 4500 head of feeder cattle on feed. You do the math. You can get the value of what we have. With that many animals you have sick cattle. We also have little control of what is brought in when we buy calves. We do not BLAST the cattle with needless drugs but we do regularly feed new cattle a antibiotic supplement for the first few weeks we have them. It helps fervent very sick and DEAD calves. I well remember the days when we did not have the ability to do this. Our death loss was around 3-4%. Now with the regiment we have refined over the last ten years or so it is under 1%. So who is going to pay me for the loss off 75-90 more cattle each year??????

Then you add in that there has been zero scientific proof that these practices have caused any resistance to the human used antibiotics. This is just pure politics' driven by IGNORANT people. The antibiotic soaps and such have PROVEN resistance causes but they get a pass.

Traditional Farmer · Apr 9, 2015

I'm not going to argue the science because just like yourself I really know nothing about it,of course its pretty funny that you think some science is right on when you are discussing GMOs and
pesticides(LOL)
Regardless of what you or I think the new restrictions are here and will have to abide by them and some will have to change their style of Animal Husbandry or go the way of the
Passenger Pigeon and the Studebaker.Its not 1970 anymore and things have changed
and change will run you over like a Freight Train if you're unwilling to adapt.

Traditional Farmer · Apr 9, 2015

I haven't heard anything about them banning the availability of injectable antibiotics have you? So they will be available a livestock owner just won't be able to use the
'shotgun' method of giving antibiitics in the feed, but just give it to the ones that are sick and need them.

DoubleR · Apr 9, 2015

Are the crumbles you mention going to be regulated? I only bring in maybe ten head a year. I always add it to there feed the first couple of weeks. I had a problem last fall with one and called the vet in. Other than that I can't remember the last time I gave a shot or medication.
I also use supplement with Rumensin in it. JD says that will not be regulated???

rrlund · Apr 9, 2015

All I know about it is,it said in one of the beef magazines that even medicated milk replacer won't be available anymore.
The same extremist BS food fad garbage that's gonna have everybody farming 40 acres with a mule.

tomturkey · Apr 9, 2015

I could be way off base on this, but I believe that herbicides and pesticides will soon follow this same model. For example, no more going to the farm store and buying 2-4D to spot spray thistles dandelions. no more home applied pesticides to guard your place of ants roaches and other creepy crawlers. Just seems to be the way these types of things are going. Again I may be way off base, but it could happen. gobble

tomturkey · Apr 9, 2015

I have no livestock, I have no dog in this discussion, BUT, cattle, sheep, chickens swine whatever, all eat from the same feed trough, all drink from the same waterers, graze from the same pastures if one is sick, it will soon be two then three unless we use "the dreaded SHOTGUN"" approach to treating the herd,flock. jm.02 worth goibble

CenTex Farmall · Apr 9, 2015

Anyone see in the news where Texas Tech did a study and found antibiotic resistant bacteria strains that were on airborne dust miles downwind of feedlots? Google "Texas Tech airborne bacteria" and something should come up.

Overuse and misuse of antibiotics has long proven to be harmful by speeding up the evolution of resistant strains. MRSA in hospitals anyone?

This goes to back to the discussion a few days ago about pesticide overuse by careless operators.

Not sure if reactionary goverment policies will do more harm than good. The best plan would be better education for end users about unintended consequences.

jeffcat · Apr 9, 2015

Just like ammunition folks..Time to stock up. Keep in cool dry place and I would wrap each bag in those heavy plastic trash bags. Make a little pouch of salt to remove moisture. Take a vacuum cleaner and suck all of the air out. The preppers are a little crazy but what do they know that the average dummy doesn't??????? I actually found a can of JUNGLE brand bug spray from the 50s. It has ACTIVE DDT as it's main ingrediant! Pint can cost me $5.oo. It was un opened! I hid it in my kitchen cabinet.

RodinNS · Apr 9, 2015

We've been dealing with this for 10... mabey 15 years now on some products, including Rumensin. The way it works here... if you need a medicated feed you get a scrip from a vet and send it to your feedmill. Feedmill stocks the products needed and is responsible for keeping control of them, etc. It's not really that big of a deal, here. How you guys cock it up is anyone's guess. Record keeping of drug use has also been a cornerstone of the quality milk program in Canada for close to 15 years now since the inception of the program. It takes time to keep the records on every animal... but not that much time... and then you have a record for your own use of what you did...
The issue of drug resistance is becoming a MAJOR issue and curtailing use as much as possible may not be a bad thing for everyone involved.

Rod

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