1951 farmall super A

tom2n46 · Feb 26, 2015

I have a 1951 farmall super a witch I've totally redone, I know the firing order but which cylinder is #1 radiator or cluch side. I have a 1957 851 ford and the front of the engine is where it hooks to the bell housing. What is the front of the Super A?

Royse · Feb 26, 2015

#1 is at the radiator end. On both tractors.

Dalex · Feb 26, 2015

The front of the "A" engine , and Cyl #1 is on
the radiator end. Are you sure about the Ford ??
They don't number any other engine that way .....

Bob · Feb 26, 2015

Rest assured BOTH your Dorf and your Binder have the #1 cylinder located at the FRONT of the engine, nearest the radiator.

WHERE did you get the silly idea that the 851's #1 cylinder was next to the bellhousing???

tom2n46 · Feb 26, 2015

Please ckeck you shop manual for a ford 851. The front of the engine hooks to the bell housing. Industrial engines power out the front towards the transmission where power is needed. Is ford the only one that does this?

tom2n46 · Feb 26, 2015

I found out the hard way with the 851 ford trust me I'm right

tom2n46 · Feb 26, 2015

Trust me my 1957 ford 851 #1 cylinder is on the clutch side, that is the front of an industrial engine.Are you sure International is is opposite?

Dick2 · Feb 27, 2015

There are a few exceptions, but the general rule is that #1 cylinder is the one farthest from the flywheel.

Dieselrider · Feb 27, 2015

If your Ford is firing as number one being the clutch end, I would suspect your crank timing is 180 degrees out.

showcrop · Feb 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 22:34:31 02/26/15) I found out the hard way with the 851 ford trust me I'm right

Please share with us where you found this.

JRSutton · Feb 27, 2015

Definitely the front cylinder, closest to the
radiator.

mkirsch · Feb 27, 2015

On a 4-cylinder engine, it doesn't make any difference. You can time it so that #1 is the front cylinder, or the rear cylinder.

All you do is put the cylinder on the compression stroke, line up the timing mark on the crank pulley, set the rotor to point to the #1 distributor cap post, and install the spark plug wires in order.

No internal changes are necessary.

ed will · Feb 27, 2015

Hi, I had a 3 ton international truck with
a v8 that had #1 cyl closest to firewall.
I was trying for 2 days to time it after
putting timing gear in. Had to phone the
dealer to find out that #1 was not, not, not
at the rad end. Ed will, my 2 cents.

JRSutton · Feb 27, 2015

I recently rebuilt my 48 Super A - I'm positive the #1 cylinder is in front, nearest the radiator.

It's an inline 4, and very different than the turck's 8.

David G · Feb 27, 2015

It is completely under the control of how the cam is ground, I bet 99.9% are on front of motor. You super A should be.

souNdguy · Feb 27, 2015

I own about 20 red tiger engines from 54 thru 64. At least 2 are later replacement engines, all have #1 by the radiator!

Bob · Feb 27, 2015

Ed, those IH engines were numbered just like a Chevy V8... 1-3-5-7 (from the FRONT) on the driver's side, and 2-4-6-8 on the passenger side.

The cylinder numbers are in raised "letters" on the intake ports for all to see, in that order.

The ODDITY is that you TIME them on #8. That does NOT make #8 number one!

tom2n46 · Feb 27, 2015

I looked in my Ford Tractor shop manual and on page 19 the picture shows the top of the block with the cylinders numbered from front of engine #1 being on the bell housing side. The manifold is on the left looking from the rear of the tractor. This is why I was concerned about my 51 Super A. Thanks for all the information.

Please share with us where you found this.

willie in mn · Feb 27, 2015

Bob
You are right. The cylinder numbers are cast onto the intake manifold, 1-3-5-7 on the left, 2-4-6-8 on the right, same as Chev. Firing order also cast onto manifold. Don't know why IHC had timing to #8, but they put a big yellow sticker on with instructions for timing.

As to the Super A. Every Farmall engine I have seen has the cylinder number cast onto the head, beside the spark plug, #1 at front.
WJ

tom2n46 · Feb 27, 2015

Here's a pic of what I'm talking about. Fords beter idea.

Royse · Feb 27, 2015

(quoted from post at 22:43:20 02/27/15)

Here's a pic of what I'm talking about. Fords beter idea.

I'm missing what you are saying. It looks to me that it says
"Front of Engine" on the left and "No 1 cyl" next to that.

tom2n46 · Feb 27, 2015

If I'm sitting in the tractor seat the #1 cylinder is closest to me. The exaust and intake ports are on the left. Would't that make front of engine hooked to the bell housing. This did'nt make any sense to me when I chainged out the wiring.

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