Put on your thinking caps!

Danny Prosser · Feb 18, 2015

Ok, here's what I've got. I have a pond scoop that is about 36" wide. I have a old pull type bush hog that has 2 truck type wheels. I want to breed these two together and make a pull type dirt pan thing to dig out my pond with out getting stuck. I have figured out most of it but one thing. How can I design a system to lift the pan with the 3 point and cables? I've got a 4"x10' square tube to make a longer tounge to get it about 15' out in the pond. Cutting and mounting the scoop in the mower frame is pretty easy but the lift thing just isn't coming to me yet. I'll probably start building it and figure it out as I go but thought some of you fellow "country engineers" might have some ideas or pictures. Stay warm and thanks.

Mike(NEOhio) · Feb 18, 2015

I use a pull-type Woods and I have thought about doing the same thing. You can use a pulley on top of the tongue to keep the cable centered so that it runs vertically up to the lift arms. As long as you can keep the vertical run close to the drawbar pin hole it shouldn't cause the height to change when you make turns. Just my thoughts.

Janicholson · Feb 18, 2015

Put a pulley on the tongue near the hitch pin. Put retainers/shield on the pulley to keep a 3/8" wire rope from escaping. From the rock shaft of the hitch make a bridge that connects the two upper lift arms at their rearward end.
Build a link at the scoop that when pulled forward, pushes the wheels downward.
Connect the lift arm bridge to the pulley (with the cable mentioned) then rearward to the wheel mechanism. This should result in a minimal change in lift amount as the hitch moves through its turns and up/down grades. Jim

Janicholson · Feb 18, 2015

I like our idea. Jim

hd6gtom · Feb 18, 2015

Allis Chalmers had a cable lift mechanism on some of their snap coupler mowers. You might try to find a picture and get an idea from that.

wilson ind · Feb 18, 2015

I would think if its really a bush hog and not just a brush hog rotary cutter it would sell for good cash. At least in this area a true Bush Hog sells well.

rd 2N in mo · Feb 18, 2015

sell the hog and buy a 3 point scoop for your tractor for $150 to 200 and no change required.

Mike(NEOhio) · Feb 18, 2015

Something I always thought about but the drive shaft would make harder to do. And that was before I put a remote line on the Ford. Easier to put a cylinder on now.

Danny Prosser · Feb 18, 2015

The problem isn't that I need a scoop I have 2 one of which I mentioned in the first post to use in my idea. The mower is a old no name brand one that's only worth scrap. My intention is to be able to dig out my pond about 15' out while the tractor is still on the hard dry bank as to not get stuck. As you know ponds slit in after a few years and I don't have or want to spend the money on having it done. If my contraption works I can do it myself in the summer when its at the lowest leal.

ArleninOr · Feb 18, 2015

How about find a scoop alrady on wheels.Use a cable to pull it thru the silt and when you get to the other side hook the scoop to the tractor and go dump the silt in a low spot downstream.

Spudm · Feb 18, 2015

I don't see this working. Hire an excavator.

BushogPapa · Feb 18, 2015

Had out Pond/Lake (1 1/3ac) cleaned 12 years ago..

6' of silt...I drained it with a siphon or 200ft of 4" Non-Perf plastic tile...
I sealed a double layer of black trash bag over one end and completely submerged the tile (No air left in it), then sealed the other end and wrestled that over the Dam far enough to get a siphon going...
That worked real well...

The real problems are getting that Grease-like Muck to dry, then to get it OUT of the Scoop/Bucket..

What we ended up using was a SLUDGE Pump to pull the wettest of the muck out, and I would sure suggest that over trying to use a tiny 36" scoop..!!
The poor guy cleaning the pond/Lake first Burried his Dozer in there and had to dig it out with his back-Hoe..
Eventually, he on his Dozer and me on the JD "B" w/loader and blade were in there, pushing the sediment toward the back-Hoe (with an extend-a-boom), dipping the rest out..
About 14" deep at the deepest when we were done, but what a dirty slimy job..!!

Ron.

glennster · Feb 18, 2015

i agree with spudm, hire an excavator. i have been fighting my drainage ditches for several years to keep em cleaned. stuck the backhoe several times, skidloader, 4020 with a loader, just way too much work. local tile guy was in the area with a long reach excavator, 90 ft stick, cleaned about 1/4 mile out in a day and a half, cost right around 1800 dollars.. well worth it.

Texasmark1 · Feb 18, 2015

If your plan is do back down the side of the pond and bury the bucket and then pull it up the sloping side, it will work for you THE FIRST TIME. After that, tie a chain onto the front of your tractor and to a sturdy tree short enough to keep your tractor from submerging because that is what it will do on subsequent attempts if you try to go back for another load.

The first pull brings out the sludge and it makes the bank slicker than Owl dung on a wet limb. BTDT

Hire an excavator +2. Besides he can make his money by his knowledge of what he is doing and having the right equipment....if you get a good one. BTDT too, several times and never looked back.

Mark

Geo-TH,In · Feb 19, 2015

I know a man with a case extend-a-hoe for doing what you want to do. It has a 3 ft bucket on hoe which he removed the teeth to get a smooth finish.

I would never ask for advice on YT when doing something outside the box, I would just do it.

Then when you post it on YT, and see how many will tell you can't do what you just did.

If you have a big job, you may want to spend a little money and hire someone after you've had some fun.

Put on your thinking caps!

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