Auction Practice Question

I happened to read this blog about "how auctions work". Been to a lot of auctions but one of the practices mentioned is selling tractor "extras" (loader, weights, etc.) as separate items even though they are still attached to the tractor. I have seen a tractor with the weights & other attachment laying next to it and sold that way.

So whose responsible if the guy that buys the loader or weights on a tractor (purchased by a separate individual) damages the tractor as he is removing his loader or weights? And what happens if I'm there to buy the tractor at noon and then leave and the other guy plans on staying and bidding all day?
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My experience is that there is no set practice with tractor add-ons. I went to a sale last year where the auctioneer sold a tractor with loader brackets together but the loader itself sold separately. He said the seller did not want to deal with the headache of dismounting the brackets even if it cost him on the sale value of the loader. I wonder how prepared some auctioneers are before the sale. Some seem to be taken by surprise when a tractor has hub-mounted duals. I could see missing a detail when they have three hours worth of small stuff to sort but this often happens at sales that have very few small items. Most auctioneers have left me less than impressed after attending their sales.

My opinion if I buy the tractor, and someone else gets the weights. If I am leaving first , that is the amount of time he has to remove them, or make other arrangements.

Another time I was at a different sale looking at a JD 148 loader and I approached the auctioneer before the start of the sale about the loader which was mounted on the tractor. I asked him how much time I had to get the loader off and he said when the tractor is sold and if loaded up and going out the driveway he said I was SOL. The auctioneer's attitude sucked anyways as he was probably a good 4 inches taller than me and was having flashbacks to when he was on the varsity football team. I was dressed decently but noted he probably had a few hundred dollars worth of clothes on and they were no business suit either.

I did not buy that loader by the way.

Most of the auctions I go to where they have mounted items on a tractor that sell separately the auctioneer tries getting both buyers together to get it worked out. Most often whoever buys the tractor takes it and accessory buyer goes to the other guys place to get whatever it is that they bought.

Rick

The only experience I ever had first hand was when I bought my 1850. It had a pair of clamp on duals that sold separate. It has power adjust wheels and there were eye hoops that mounted to the spin out rails. All the hardware went with the duals and I didn't buy them. By the time I was ready to leave the buyer of the duals already had the parts off the tractor.
Looking back,I should have bought them I guess. Those eyes were $12 each at the time and there were 8 of them. The duals with all the hardware brought $180.

Its less of a practice now than it used to be to sell pieces like a loader off a tractor.The reason is with a M Farmall its pretty easy to drop the loader and its obvious which piece goes with tractor and which piece goes with the loader.Newer stuff its harder to separate so most always now whatever is on the tractor goes with the tractor.Something like a box blade is pretty easy but I saw a heck of an arguement over a toplink one time when a rear blade was sold separate.Much better to separate pieces out before the auction and just sell whats in the pile.

Here's a common example I've seen at auctions. Lets say there is a tractor being sold with a mounted picker on it. The tractor is auctioned first, then the picker. Then it's auctioned as a whole unit. If it brought more money as separate parts it's sold as such. If the tractor and picker sell for the higher price it's sold that way. I saw a B Farmall with a cultivator sold like that. It ended up bringing more money as separate units. But boy was there a squabble over what parts went with the tractor and which went with the cultivator. The buyer of the cultivator finally told the auctioneer that he considered it a no sale and didn't want just part of a cultivator. That argument was settled real fast after that.

I guess I have just seen the tractor sold as is where it sits. Whatever is on the tractor is owned by the new owner. I Have seen auctions where the line up optional parts next to a whole tractor and sell th separately. Like what was mentioned before I would think you would have more fights over who owns what and if any damage was done.

I bought a 4630 at an auction where they sold the tractor first and then the loader. I didn't want the loader. After I bought the tractor, I said what I considered to be part of the tractor and there was no problem at all. I left the tractor at the auction and the auctioneer called in a couple of days and said it was ready to pick up. I was very glad not to have to pay more money for the tractor to get a loader I didn't want. On the other hand my dad and brother sold a White 2-105 on their auction and the auctioneer said that the hubs went with the duals. Problem with Olivers and Whites is that the hubs hold both sets of tires on the axel. The hubs went with the tractor and the dual buyer was out. Around here people tend to get along and I haven't ever seen it to be a problem.

Here in Texas.... Take Galens 4630 with a loader....
Auctioneer Announces!
The Items will sell for the Most Money Period!
1st Tractor alone
2nd Loader alone
3rd As a complete unit together
Which ever way gets the Seller the most Money is how it goes! Sometimes Separate, Sometimes Together. All you have to do is just Stop talking to your neighbor, Listen, Pay attention & bid accordingly. Not a terribly difficult Concept!
Later,
John A.

Seen that done and it was a mess. I for one will not fool (bid) on that ping pong match. Seen it with trucks sell truck them body etc. Seems like its not to popular now. Original idea was more money. Also seen it sold tractor then loader, implement etc did not go turned in to a mess.

Well I have had 2 experiences with this.
1) When Mother had auction for Pa's equip when they got to the 700 Case auctioneer asked if anyone was interested in the rear wheel weights separate? Someone said they were so he sold them separate. The buyer of the tractor and the buyer of the weights worked together taking them off.
2) I bought the holding tank from a grain dryer setup at an auction. After auction I was mulling around it trying to picture how I was going to lay it down for transport when the buyer of the dryer came over. After conversing a while we realized we both thought we had bought the stationary auger that went from bottom of tank to top of dryer. It was bolted to the boot of the tank so I thought it should come with tank but it was direct wired with conduit from the dryer so he thought it should go with his dryer. I asked him if he was going to use the auger in his setup and he said no but that 10 horse motor has some value and he bid on dryer accordingly. I needed the auger for my setup but wasn't about to buy it from him since it was attached to my tank. We took our problem to the auctioneer and he said I should get it. Other guy stomped away pretty mad.