Just sitting here thumbing through Fastline. There's an ad from a Ram dealer. Several listed at over $59,000 after rebate,but the one for $99,958 about made me swallow my cud. You'd have to have a need to have that thing on the road 24/7 365 to justify a price like that.
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BANDITFARMER
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In 1996 I bought a new F350 5.8 auto cab and chasse truck for $15,500 tax title out the door. I thought that was kinda high then. 2 weak ago I took my BIL over to pick his truck up from the dealer after they got done working on it. I saw a F350 cab and chasse truck sitting there and went to look at it, 5.4 auto and a plain jane truck. I liked to fell over at the stacker price $59.000 !!!! At these prices I don't think I will ever be buying a new one any time soon! I guess $1000 in new metal and some paint for the old Ford will have to do for now. Bandit
Brendon-KS
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I believe it will end when the consumer finally stops paying for more and more "stuff". As long as we as a society keep opening our wallets wider (or, more typically, going into debt deeper) for plusher leather, more chrome, more powerful engines, fancier controls, bigger and fancier rims, bigger cabs, etc, etc, etc, the manufacturers will keep increasing the available content level along with the price. It only makes good business sense to provide what the customer wants and is willing to pay for, especially when the profit margin on fancy options is very high. When we (again, we as a society) say enough is enough it will stop since it will no longer make business sense.
My 2011 Dodge 3500 Laramie left here for the last time yesterday. It had 33k miles on and i had done all the deletes. I had casually mentioned at work that I would let it go for 38k, as that what was the high end of kbb. One week later a guy brought me a check, I was surprised! I was even more surprised when I saw what late model pre-emissions diesels are bringing! It looks like my old 92 7.3 F-350 is gonna be my ride for a while. Ive found a LTL9000 spec'ed out exactly like i want for the same money as a 3/4ton pickup so I will probably end up with that. Maybe someday i will find a slick pickup for a song eventually.
Another way to look at is , if the truck is paid for just what does it cost me difference. If I drive a new truck for 12 months ,60 thousand miles pay 8000 do it again , I know what the 60 thousand miles cost me. It is the cost per mile I look at. No batteries,brakes, or anything other than regular oil changes. Just depends on what a man wants.
But, why then, when I made an inquiry about trading my nice looking 98, 2 wh dr, Dodge Dakota for a 2005 Dodge caravan, they only offered me 800 bucks for mine. They wanted 4700 to boot. I was shocked. Salesman said that maybe the boss could do a little better. I said, no, we are way too far apart to even continue our discussion.
old
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Just think in 1974 you could buy a new truck for around $4000. I payed $3800 for my one and only new car and it was a 1974 Dodge Tradesman van
tractorguy2
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I went to dealer to look at a 98 gm 1500. He wanted 5grand. It had 340000 miles. I passed.
Later I bought a 95 1500 with 184000 for 5000. I bought it from a friend who was moving.
Later I bought a 95 1500 with 184000 for 5000. I bought it from a friend who was moving.
larry@stinescorner
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In 1979,,I Bought a brand new,Chevy 1/2 ton 6 cyd,3 on the tree,am radio,,,no frills,,,4,000 dollars
and,,it was a great truck,,,drove it to work,did side jobs for years,it was a stepside with an 8 ft bed,,handy to get to the toolbox,,,tailgate had chains,,,never a problem,,,chevy tailgates stink now with the handle in the middle ,they screw up all the time!If the chevy hadnt rusted out,and got my wifes feet wet once while she was riding in the cab,,, I Still might be running it////
and,,it was a great truck,,,drove it to work,did side jobs for years,it was a stepside with an 8 ft bed,,handy to get to the toolbox,,,tailgate had chains,,,never a problem,,,chevy tailgates stink now with the handle in the middle ,they screw up all the time!If the chevy hadnt rusted out,and got my wifes feet wet once while she was riding in the cab,,, I Still might be running it////
I can't for the life of me remember what I gave for a new Chevy 3/4 ton 4x4 in 77. Seems like it was around $4800?
I do remember though,that Dad gave $1795 for a new 66 Chevy half ton two wheel drive. He could have gotten a GMC for $5 less from another dealer,but it was about another 20 miles away,so he went with the Chevy.
I do remember though,that Dad gave $1795 for a new 66 Chevy half ton two wheel drive. He could have gotten a GMC for $5 less from another dealer,but it was about another 20 miles away,so he went with the Chevy.
Pair-a-dice farm
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It's all the gadgets that they add on now. I priced a new 2015 F350 dually last week. 4x4 regular cab, gas, power windows and locks but other than that just a work truck for $34000. That's still more than I want to pay. A decked out F350 can easily double and all the other stuff is just a headache waiting to happen.
old
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Ya my dad in 1971 payed $2195 for a Chev Vega. First one at the local dealership. Good car till it had around 50,000 mile on it then it started using oil. He gave it to me and when I traded it in on that van you filled the oil and checked the gas
old
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- Camdenton Missouri
The one we had never did rust out any place but we lived in Athens TN where he got it then moved to Mississippi so little or no road slat in the areas. Still have parts of a Pontiac Aspen which was there Vega
larry@stinescorner
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some of the Vegas with high horsepower motors are highly collectable,and they made a Cosworth vega too didnt they?
Bought a new Mazda pickup in '74 for $2,500. Ran great, only problem was it was pretty much useless on the farm. You could get 6 or so bales of hay on it, with some difficulty; couldn't even haul a sheet of plywood without tying it down. Traded it off to my dad, in pretty short order, and got a '71 Chev 3/4 ton. Never did buy another new pickup, they got out of price range real fast after that.
old
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Ya there was a Cosworth Vega made. There where also kit you could get to put a small block Chev under the hood and those well lets just say where not slow
BushogPapa
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What you NEED is something you can "Claim" as an in-house Business..then, you can purchase a New one for HALF Price..(Write-Offs, etc..).
An acquaintance bought a New Ford PU 2 years ago for $14 K, would have been over $27 K...because of a claimed In-House Business..
It is a shame how this "Economy" is based, with Companies writing off 1st class air-travel and "Business meetings" all over the World being written off as "Business Expenses"... with the REST of us footing the BILLS...
Ron.
fixerupper
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People are dumb enough to buy them so the manufacturer seizes the opportunity and keeps pumping them out. When it comes down to true necessity nobody needs the bells and whistles and few need the diesel.
john in la
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My grandfather had a pickup.
It had climate control.
If you were cold you rolled up the window and if you were hot you rolled down the window.
It had intermitted wipers.
Every time you pressed down on the gas the vacuum wipers would quit.
It had heated seats.
The muffler was right under the floorboard.
It had a backup camera.
He called them mirrors.
Can not for the life of me figure out why a pickup today cost way more than he paid.
It had climate control.
If you were cold you rolled up the window and if you were hot you rolled down the window.
It had intermitted wipers.
Every time you pressed down on the gas the vacuum wipers would quit.
It had heated seats.
The muffler was right under the floorboard.
It had a backup camera.
He called them mirrors.
Can not for the life of me figure out why a pickup today cost way more than he paid.
I just bought a beater, a Chevy 1500 work truck, 8 ft bed, V6, auto trans, no options, for 4K. 86000 miles, looks very good, very little rust, looks to be professionally maintained. I need a truck from time to time, not interested in sinking a lot of $$ in a truck. But after driving it for a couple of days, it might become my daily driver.
john in la
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Yea but a Vega was a lot better when you stuffed a V8 under the hood.
Texasmark1
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Well sir, several things have improved. Somewhere along the marketing strategy syndrome somebody figured out that the pickup of the old days wouldn't suffice for the "yuppie" culture of the day.
So started a revolution in amenities in the top of the line trucks (with some dribbling down to the "work trucks") that a lot of people buy because of functionality on the weekends (reason for buying the truck in the first place), but also ability to see down the interstate, possibly being above side impacts from sedans, not ruining your knee joints in attempting to enter a car sitting on the ground...BTDT... and on and on) and other creature comforts that are available in up scale sedans.
My 2011 came in at $31k with all the goodies including a little flare, but it was a Chevy LS, not the upper cut. Works just fine for me and I love it. Not the GM of yesteryear by any means. Drove it about 1 mile down the road and bought it. But going by the dealer and "rubbernecking" as to what's on his lot today like the "Chevy High Country" and the $50k plus price tags, I will probably happily drive mine the rest of my life. I figure that at another 13 years for a round number. By then it will be time for me to check out and let someone else "walk the walk".
So started a revolution in amenities in the top of the line trucks (with some dribbling down to the "work trucks") that a lot of people buy because of functionality on the weekends (reason for buying the truck in the first place), but also ability to see down the interstate, possibly being above side impacts from sedans, not ruining your knee joints in attempting to enter a car sitting on the ground...BTDT... and on and on) and other creature comforts that are available in up scale sedans.
My 2011 came in at $31k with all the goodies including a little flare, but it was a Chevy LS, not the upper cut. Works just fine for me and I love it. Not the GM of yesteryear by any means. Drove it about 1 mile down the road and bought it. But going by the dealer and "rubbernecking" as to what's on his lot today like the "Chevy High Country" and the $50k plus price tags, I will probably happily drive mine the rest of my life. I figure that at another 13 years for a round number. By then it will be time for me to check out and let someone else "walk the walk".
centralilbaler
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I know what you mean. Because of those prices, I went and special ordered a regular cab 8' bed GMC. I had to wait 3 months for them to make it though . No reason for me to have the extra seats, or alot of the special equipment. The salesman was kind of surprised that someone would just want a "farm truck". The only extras i got was electric windows and electric locks. I wished though you could still get the sliding rear window. I do miss that alot.
massey 333
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I know it is too high,but look WHO it is built for,the HORSEY set and camper pullers.Alot of those puller trucks are in the $150,000 to $300,000 range.I know a Ford dealer who moves 50-100 a year.(450s,550s,650s)
buickanddeere
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A heavy 1/2 ton SLE GMC Crew Cab 5.3L 4X4 with the 7,600lb gross and 10,000lb tow rating is reasonable enough at $47,000 plus 13% tax iirc. Enough capacity for even "real farmers" and should last 10-15yrs in the salt if washed underneath and oiled. Costs less to drive than a diesel too.
The entire family will fit inside or groceries and tools can go on the back set to be safe and dry.
Compare that to your paycheck and the gas hog trucks in 1975 that rusted through in 3-4 years.
Texasmark1
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Don't hold your breath. The older you get the more important amenities are. Go to a WM parking lot and check out the up scale p/u trucks. Check out who gets out of the driver's seat. Your answer is right there. The question is how does this snow top get the money to afford this thing......his wife is a corporate CEO. Grin
Think about it.
This all started when the Government in it's infinite wisdom decided all CARS had to meet strict emission controls and the requirement didn't apply to pickup trucks.
All the city folks started buying pickups as their second/commuter vehicles and discovered how useful they are. Including sending the kids to college instead of taking them--all their s@#$ uh Stuff would fit in a pickup. And the kids got jobs and started to hop them up.
Now the government includes pickup in the emission standards.
This all started when the Government in it's infinite wisdom decided all CARS had to meet strict emission controls and the requirement didn't apply to pickup trucks.
All the city folks started buying pickups as their second/commuter vehicles and discovered how useful they are. Including sending the kids to college instead of taking them--all their s@#$ uh Stuff would fit in a pickup. And the kids got jobs and started to hop them up.
Now the government includes pickup in the emission standards.
MarkB_MI
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Hmm. Y'all seem disappointed that light truck manufacturers are allowed to maximize their profits by only producing vehicles with a high profit margin. Darn capitalists!
Mark - IN.
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I remember about 1970 a fella out by me made the local paper because he kept tossing his quarters into a 50 gallon drum until it filled. He went to the local Chevy dealer, found his new truck, they sent someone over to pickup the quarters, took them down to the bank to count, he got his new truck and had money left over. Same fella made the paper in the late '70's with another drum of quarters, same Chevy dealer, another new truck, quarters hauled to the bank and that time he either evened out or had to add some money. Try that today.
My '96 beater has over 300K on the odometer, looks like crap, but the engine and transmission are rebuilt and I have all new parts in one of the barns to rebuild it. All except a new cab, and I priced one at $3,000. I'm going to get a million miles out of that truck, unless I die first. $60,000+ for a new one? Cash for clunkers? If that's the case, I won't be doing my part to get the economy jump started. Count me out.
Mark
My '96 beater has over 300K on the odometer, looks like crap, but the engine and transmission are rebuilt and I have all new parts in one of the barns to rebuild it. All except a new cab, and I priced one at $3,000. I'm going to get a million miles out of that truck, unless I die first. $60,000+ for a new one? Cash for clunkers? If that's the case, I won't be doing my part to get the economy jump started. Count me out.
Mark
Pete in MD
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Thought they were pre-rusted at the factory.
part of the problem is they are rolling over models more frequently then they used to. The tooling involved in newer cars is very step.
Just the mold to mold the plastic fan for the electric engine cooling fan is $250,000. Every car has a unique fan due to its unique power and heat requirements and unique noise outputs. the more power train options the more likely there could be 2 or 3 different options and thus unique fans.
THATS JUST ONE PART!
The plastic frame the fan mounts in (Shroud) is another $250000 plus. Just imagine the cost for a plastic grill or bumper and 2 or 3 or 4 options.
Just the mold to mold the plastic fan for the electric engine cooling fan is $250,000. Every car has a unique fan due to its unique power and heat requirements and unique noise outputs. the more power train options the more likely there could be 2 or 3 different options and thus unique fans.
THATS JUST ONE PART!
The plastic frame the fan mounts in (Shroud) is another $250000 plus. Just imagine the cost for a plastic grill or bumper and 2 or 3 or 4 options.
You do know how that works, right? You reduce your income by the amount of the expense of earning that income, and you don't pay as much tax. So, what bills are YOU footing when this happens? My company doesn't allow us to travel first class, we are paying for this out of expense money so they try to reduce it as much as possible, in fact you better have a darn good reason to travel at all in this age of video conference, Skype, etc.
You do know how that works, right? You reduce your income by the amount of the expense of earning that income, and you don't pay as much tax. So, what bills are YOU footing when this happens? My company doesn't allow us to travel first class, we are paying for this out of expense money so they try to reduce it as much as possible, in fact you better have a darn good reason to travel at all in this age of video conference, Skype, etc.
BushogPapa
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I musta struck a Nerve with you...!
"What bills am I footing..?
Like most Honest Americans, I PAY what it Costs and don't SEE any real effort to curtail "Business Travel Expenses" in the Business world I see around me..
I guess you feel it is just Common Practice to write OFF your expenses incurred while "Earning an Income"..Uh.....WHAT..??????????????
Maybe YOU have been on the multi-extended Payment Plan called UN-Employment extension Career People.?
In a world of depressed economies, Billions of folks are still flying and 1st Class is usually full.. Most of us "WORKING Americans" Pay and are NOT LIBERALS...
Ron.
Paul from MI
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My 91 F150(4.9L 6 & 5 spd.) was a great truck--put 197,000 miles on it over 17 years with no major problems, but salt finally got it. Now I have 116,000 on my '01 F150(4.2L v6 & 5 spd) and got to thinking about a new one to keep in the garage,still drive the '01 as a winter beater. Both trucks had no options, no power windows, mirrors, or locks, etc. Same truck now stickers at $29,000, guess the old one will run a few more years.
Dean Olson
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I had the same sticker shock about a year ago. I'm still and will continue to drive my 06 dodge till the wheels fall off. It has 220,000 miles and maintenance is getting expensive. I go back and forth on whether it makes sense to buy new or repair old.
I decided to restore a new to me 72 GMC as a back up. If your going to run junk you need a couple ready to go. As I'm going through this truck I'm reminded of how rough these old trucks are. It's noisy, carb works fine but it sure not like fuel injection. No anti lock brakes, it'll get sideways quick on a wet road. I guess what I'm trying to say is it sure doesn't have the creature comforts of the new trucks.
I decided to restore a new to me 72 GMC as a back up. If your going to run junk you need a couple ready to go. As I'm going through this truck I'm reminded of how rough these old trucks are. It's noisy, carb works fine but it sure not like fuel injection. No anti lock brakes, it'll get sideways quick on a wet road. I guess what I'm trying to say is it sure doesn't have the creature comforts of the new trucks.
for me, i just wont buy any, i work my trucks, and while i do take good care of them, and keep them looking good.[ as long as your 40 feet from the truck], it doesnt make sense to pay as much for a pickup as i once bought a house for, just to haul, pull trailers, chase cows, {get chased by cows?} my "new truck" is 20 years old, and they range down from there to 45 years old, all run fine, and do the job that there set up for doing,parts are cheap and plentiful including body parts, i can fix anything on them myself even though they rarely need to be fixed i bet i have less in all 7 than the cost of 1 new one including new engines ect
Richard from SE AZ
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I bought a 90 Dodge W150 4x4 regular cab in Milwaukee. Asking price was $16,000. Got it for $14,500 cuz it had sat on the lot too long. Got it to AZ when we finished the tunnel job. Still have it. 249,000 + miles. Still runs great. The only thing that I have ever done to the truck is replace the water pump, fuel pump, and brakes. Right now it needs another fuel pump( replacement only lasted 6 mo)and a front axle seal. Body and interior are in excellent condition. Clear coat paint is flaking off. If you guys want to buy a used PU you would be really pleased with the low prices and NO rust condition of Arizona used trucks. My 2001 Dodge with 130.000 Mi will have to last me the rest of my life because of the price of new.
Geo-TH,In
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You see my point. Today, they've become a status symbol, 4 door trucks for soccer moms, young kids who want to burn rubber. Men who want a 4x4 and never use it off road. Supply and demand ran the price up. As for me, I like cheap work trucks with no bells and whistles.
Bryce Frazier
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Almost any Chevrolet truck you wanted, NEW, is over $90000.
The Duramax is what runs the bill up there though, just a few days ago, the dealer ship in town (where my dad works) got in a CUSTOM 2015, K3500, Dually, Duramax with an Allison, Lime Green in color, Factory goose neck, 4 door, long box, and it was $96000?
Would LOVE to have enough money to buy that truck! BUT I WOULDN'T!!!
Bryce
The Duramax is what runs the bill up there though, just a few days ago, the dealer ship in town (where my dad works) got in a CUSTOM 2015, K3500, Dually, Duramax with an Allison, Lime Green in color, Factory goose neck, 4 door, long box, and it was $96000?
Would LOVE to have enough money to buy that truck! BUT I WOULDN'T!!!
Bryce
buickanddeere
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I just price something that will do good enough for $47,000. A crew cab SLE 4x4 with the tow package and convenience package. Grosses 7600lbs and tows 10,000lbs . More than enough for even farm hauling.
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