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Mr. Buick/Deere and no use for old trucks???

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JDemaris

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My response to the following commentary by Mr. Buick/Deere's . .

"I keep reading "my wonderful 1990,1995, 2000 or 2005 diesel pickup. Those trucks 2005 and older are rusted through , even the 2000 trucks are rotten even if oiled. They are worn out and done for."

Here is my fleet. I do just fine. I assume I never, ever, will have a need to a new truck unless a new fuel is forced upon us.
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Sometimes arrogance and ego make people say things that aren't quite accurate. Just because they like to throw money around like it grows on trees, they expect everyone else to be envious of them. Quite the contrary....I pity people who are only able to function with everything around them all shiny and new.
 
Jde; I'd say most of that fleet seems pretty solid yet. IIRC ? You did have to locate many from out of your area.
I'm in Ohio and this is sure NOT an area to find nice used trucks or cars ! A few here and there but scarce. Even scarcer to find for sale.
 
Surely you've been around YT long enough to know that there is B&D's opinion, and there is the wrong answer....and there is nothing inbetween. He has managed to accumulate all the wisdom ever found in the history of the world, and he has learned by experience every trade and skill ever known to mankind.
 
Yes, good solid trucks from the 80s and 90s pretty much don't exist from my areas of central New York and northern Michigan. At least not if they are driven on salt all winter. I'm always on the look-out for cars or trucks that get driven into our area from a non-rusty area. My 1994 Ford spent it's first 200,000 miles pulling a goose-neck horse trailer all over Arizona and Colorado. My 1995 Ford has been in northern Michigan since new and used every winter as a plow truck. But since it only plows a private road - there is no road salt.
 
I wouldn't trade my 96' F250 4wd with a powerstroke for any of that newer stuff. No emissions to rob power and burn extra fuel. It has 275,000 miles on it. Aside from the usual wear parts it has been very trouble free. It is my wood hauler each weekend, (has f450 springs front and rear), it is my daily driver to work, 25 miles each day now (sometimes 2-3 times in 24 hours in winter), used to drive it 90 miles roundtrip to work for years. I have never been easy on it, and my buddy that I bought it from hauled a trailer from MI to AZ once a month for the first decade of its life. If you drive it responsibly it will get 22 mpg in summer and 18 in winter, pretty good for a 6500 pound truck. The way I usually drive it, with my foot on the floor, it will do 15-17 mpg. It is also my tractor hauler and log hauler on the weekends. Just a week ago I deleted the pictures off my phone of the old truck with our 25' gooseneck with numerous different loads of logs with 20,000+ lbs from this summer. Best thing is, I can do my own repairs, and I do. Going to need some injector o-rings soon, but that's not asking for much for as bad as I have treated it. Where I work there is 4 freightliner trucks less than 2 years old, all are loaded with emissions reduction equipment, and last year during one of the worst winters in 20 years, there was never more than 2 that were running at once. These were the trucks supposed to be keeping the state highways open. A couple times there was only 1 that wasn't down with some sort of electrical or emissions failure. Try plowing snow with an engine derated to 25% of its normal power. Meanwhile, my 15 year old Sterling never let me down. You can have those overpriced new trucks.
 
That landscape looks awful familiar. Same with the style of barn. Otsego County, NY or somewhere near?
 
I just paid the insurance again this morning on my 85 Ford with the 6.9,but at the same time,I'm not sorry that I bought that 07 F250 gas last fall either.
I just went and got that one from the body shop this morning by the way. New grille and bumper. It looks way too good for a farm truck now. lol
 
That's great if it works for you. I myself drove the same truck for 11-1/2 years and 217,804 miles.

Unfortunately the WNY winters were taking their toll. It had no rocker panels left, and the fenders were on the verge of rust-through. The brakes were shot, and the lines were one good panic stop from bursting. The transmission was getting vague, and slipped once in a while. The power steering would lock up and stall the engine from time to time. The front tires were just about to the wear bars. The voltmeter would drop below 12V at every stop, even with a new battery and new alternator.

Long story short, they DO wear out and there comes a point where it is not worth trying to keep them going. Mine needed several thousand dollars' worth of work to get it back up to snuff, and in the end I would still have a 12 year old high mileage truck worth about $1300.
 
My 1999 F-550 7.3 diesel with 150,000 rides and drives like it did the day I drove it home from the dealership better ride than most cars.Cab is in perfect shape not rusted at all,have a 1989 F250 Ford that has almost no rust on the cab or bed
 
Hi
I'm right with you, Just cleaned all the boxes of tools and parts out the cab and other stuff out the box from a customer job Wednesday, on my 99 f250 super duty Diesel. It's got 550,000 kms on the clock. the last owner beat it to death mechanically. It had a water pump and service when I got it. Still got the original motor in, but maintained now. It's just earned another service, so will do that next week.
My trucks worth about $4000 less than the repair my friends 6.4 ford diesels going to need doing in the next week, if Ford don't find something simple when they look at it!.
Regards Robert
 
I'm not really sure what your point is with this thread? The fact that you've gathered up the last pristine examples of their kind anywhere in the northeastern US I suppose is a fair accomplishment. I have no doubt you have the means and ability to keep them all running as long as you need... but what does this prove for the other 98% of the population that simply needs a reliable vehicle to get into and drive when they need it?
They go and buy new... and when they do, unless there is a very specific reason, they are probably better off buying a gasoline powered truck today. 2007 was about the last year you could buy a reasonably reliable diesel pickup without the emission garbage on it...
Today there is NO saving owning a diesel pickup, period.

Rod
 
All I have is a rusty worn out 93 chevy 4x4 2500 but I really like it I haul all my corn, beans, hay, cattle, Draft Horses,pigs,and anything else around in it, I even drive it to church on Sunday most of my neighbors have new $60,000 trucks and want me to haul their stuff so they don't scratch their beds up then they ask why I don't buy a new truck
 
jdmarris...


Please let me know when you feel that Tracker is up for sale. I rarely ever see one mostly rust=free for sale. They are about as durable, simple, and as dependable as a hammer.

They do tend to rust quickly, though.

D.
 
You got that one James LOL That is what I like about this place.. Drive that old stuff... I have to buy the new so they will have the old to drive some day..
 

Maybe we should post pics of our rusted pickups to find out who has the most rust. I posted pics of my 79 Dodge a couple of weeks ago. Diesel? I drive my 98 Dodge money pit, er, Cummins once in awhile. Fun to drive but the Colorado is much cheaper to drive, and handier too. My son just bought a used 3/4 ton Ford gasser. He owns and does most of the maintenance on diesel semis. That's why he bought a gas pickup.
 
dennis min

I don't think he will sell you the Tracker any time soon, it's obviously needed to pull that crawler out when it gets stuck! ;-)

Nice collection you have there.
 
JD,
Your vehicles are truly impressive for older equipment. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that keeping them this way takes a great deal of talent and experience. All our trucks are older vintage, and are in top shape thanks to my son who keeps them all up in top shape.I wouldn't be reluctant to travel to California and back with any of them.
Keeping away from computers in a vehicle is a enormous plus and anyone who owns newer stuff will tell you (if their honest) computers are a giant PIA and requires code readers with a vehicle so you can sort of find out what breaks down on the vehicle when you are MILES FROM NOWHERE. Everyone knows how cheap it is to buy a computer for your vehicle when it's in the dealership.
Out of all of our vehicles we own the newest in a 1999 GMC Yukon 4X4, 1995 GMC Sierra pickup ext cab 4X4, 1992 Ford F150 4X4 6 cyl 5 spd trans w overdrive, 1975 Ford 4X4 plow truck (actually a 72 with a 75 body), 1975 Ford 1 ton dually, with hydraulic dump(which we made and installed). Mentioning older stuff our OC46 in top shape our IH706 tractor in top shape, indicates dedication to maintenance. Like you we keep our stuff up and running top shape. I enjoyed your pictures.
LOU
 
that's not going to work in western ny, my 2001 dodge 1500 pickup (which was rustproofed) looks like Swiss cheese at 130,000 miles. Between the salt and different chlorides they use on the roads it never stood a chance. Bill
 
Nice vehicles.
I don't always agree with B&D but when it comes to pickups I do.
For the average guy who isn't pulling a big trailer all the time a gasser ultimately makes more sense.
And I'll take a new over an old one any day.
 
(quoted from post at 02:29:03 01/17/15) that's not going to work in western ny, my 2001 dodge 1500 pickup (which was rustproofed) looks like Swiss cheese at 130,000 miles. Between the salt and different chlorides they use on the roads it never stood a chance. Bill
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Rustproofing/undercoating is not a "do it once and it's done forever" deal. It's an annual type of thing and you still have to wash the frame and underside, get the inside panels, etc. multiple times in spring. This comes from dealer who tells me he's got it figured out.
 
Hey . . I have another 1995 4WD Tracker that only has 50K miles on it and it absolutely rust free - sitting in my field. It might get junked this spring. If you are able to get it out of there, I'll sell it to you cheap. A local guy in Morris, New York brought it up from down south. Maybe from an auction? 50K, auto-trans and engine seized rock-solid. He was going to fix it up but then he dropped dead of a heart attack. He wife then paid someone to remove ALL his stuff and bring it to the scrapyard. One load had an Olive OC46 and the Tracker on it. I paid the guy $500 to dump the stuff at my place instead of going to the scrapyard.
Tracker as I said has NO rust and no accidents. No title either. I have no idea why the engine is seized. I robbed some small parts off of it. I took the power steering from it and put it my running 95. I also took out the AC.
Like you said - non-rusty 4WD Trackers are scarce. Mine spent it's first 100K miles being flat-towed behind a motorhome. No rust at all. Great little 4WD rig. And it's so light - it will go into soft places in the woods my bigger trucks cannot.
I'm selling my 80 acres and house/barn this spring. All must go before it closes on May 1. Still have over 50 tractors, 20 cars and trucks, many boats, etc. Otsego County, central New York. ZIP 12197
 
Nice Cummins. Got your lights on relays so your headlight switch doesn't burn it down? I'm sorting out a short in my 90. Melted all the grounds on the front clip. But not the ones from the motor or alternator.
 
Me too. To each his own but having come up through the ranks like a lot of you "seniors" on here, thank big government (for doing something right for a change) or whatever.....Japan when it hit the country and changed auto marketing here forever......yeah!!!!!!!

Every time I get in my truck I have a thought or two about how I enjoy this or that as compared to yesteryear.

Rust? I live in N. TX. and on a few occasions we have bridges sanded with a sand/salt mixture. That's about it. Back in the old days you would see rust pockets form regardless especially on the coast when I was growing up.....Gulf of Mexico salt air.
Around here it's a thing of the past thanks to the coatings that cars of the era are getting. Good riddance on that.

When the kids were growing up we went through a lot of "rent a wrecks". I'd fix them and they'd wreck them....part of the process of growing up. A lot of the cars came from work where students from engineering schools in places like SD School of Mines and Michigan State would come to work out of school and put their school car up for sale on the bulletin board. I got a good education on what you folks up north have to put up with.

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 09:27:49 01/17/15) Hey . . ........
I'm selling my 80 acres and house/barn this spring. All must go before it closes on May 1. Still have over 50 tractors, 20 cars and trucks, many boats.....
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As I recall, you're in N Michigan now. I expect you wouldn't register and insure all those vehicles here. :roll:

My 3rd vehicle is a 2002 Chevy p/u and just got this years annual premium of $884. Over a hundred more than last year. Thinking about dropping collision as that would save $250 annually. Includes a premium of over $250 in Personal Injury protection with the "unlimited medical" provisions here in Michigan.

And we have a great insurance agent that shops our insurance every year and we get discounts for multiple vehicles, good driving, senior, homeowner's policy co-ordination.

So, how many vehicles DO you register and insure for on-road use?
 
My 01 dodge diesel. Has spent the majority of it's life in michigan, the rest in Nebraska. I did put $1500 worth of box and paint on it last year, but way cheaper than a new one. I don't drive it every day, I figure pavement pounder cars cheaper to maintain/replace.
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