tradeing cars

Went to Chev.dealer yesterday,found car I liked,made deal w/sales person and sales manager,went to finance office,guy shoved papers in frt.of me"I need you to sign here",no figures of trade difference and no explanations. I told him I would not sign papers like that and I didnt. So he told me final trade price,about to write out check he stops me,had to show me something {just another sales pitch}I let him ramble on,picked up my blank check and walked out. Now they want to sweeten the deal with a $500.00 gift card because of bad experience{2nd time}.

Just had to rant.

My daughter cut a deal for a new Kia Soul. Sales person told her to take it home and come back the next day to sign the papers. When she sat down with the finance woman the payment was $100 more a month than what they had agreed on the day before. When she questioned her about it she says, "It's just $100 a month". Glad she had the fortitude to tell them to shove it and went somewhere else.

I was going to buy my son a new car at the local chevy dealer.We agreed on a price and came back the next day to pick it up.The sales person slid the paperwork across the desk and said "this is what you owe".It was 1800 higher than I agreed to.
I guess she thought I wouldn't notice.She said she made a mistake,but never bothered to call me or say anything.

What about the BS ---[b:b0495def90]DOC FEES[/b:b0495def90]?????

Just another reason to bypass chebby dealers.....

(quoted from post at 07:40:01 01/11/15) I was going to buy my son a new car at the local chevy dealer.We agreed on a price and came back the next day to pick it up.The sales person slid the paperwork across the desk and said "this is what you owe".It was 1800 higher than I agreed to.
I guess she thought I wouldn't notice.She said she made a mistake,but never bothered to call me or say anything.

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Buying a car can be an experience. But anyone buying has the power, not the dealer as long as they remember they can say no. You can bet there is another dealer who wants your money bad enough to actually work with you. I have a friend who sells cars. This is what he tells anyone who will listen.

1. You can and should say NO.

2. Never deal with both you and your spouse there. They are trained to spot which one is the easy sell. Once one of you is agreeable they stop negotiating because 2/3rds of the deal already agree. They figure the spouse will convince the other one. You can shop together but only one should be present to deal.

3. You can and should say NO!

4.Shop around. The internet makes it easy!

5. You can and should say NO!!

6. Be willing to drive to another dealer. He feels 50-60 miles is reasonable when you are talking 500 bucks or more. in price difference.

7. You can and should say NO!!!

8. Check what payments are going to be. When they are offering very low finance rates on new vehicles often it's cheaper to buy new over 1-3 year old vehicles when you add the payments up to pay off. I've personally seen this with people I know twice. In both cases paying to pay off the used vehicle in question cost about 500-1500 more at payoff because they seldom if ever give the same rates for use vehicles. The higher to average interest rates the better the new car at 0% looks.

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9 You can and should say NO!!!!!! If they jack the price between the deal and in the finance office and won't go back to the agreed price walk away. It's a ploy they often use. If the quibble on price and start trying to deal in pennies it's ploy to make you thing they are cutting it a close as possible. "We will let you have it for 15,555.58" is kinda funny when you stop and think it's 15K. If 42 cents is a deal breaker for them they are really desperate and won't be in business long. You have all the power in dealing because you don't have to buy it. They are the desperate ones because they do have to sell.

Rick

and gm junk

yup.....

If the dealer is not dealing honestly with you, they may also not deal honestly if or when warranty repairs are needed. I would choose another dealer and perhaps another brand.

My favorite quote:
"Chevrolet is the best salesman that Toyota ever had"

They sell cars every day, so know how to play the game. BUT you can play too, or just tell them NO BS right at the beginning. It doesn't matter who you are a Farmer, Pilot, Roper they were the same. He said OH I was a roper, and I said OH I was a car salesman. I don't give them a deposit, and we have to agree on the BOTTOM Number and TIME. I have a calculator and give them the final numbers. If they drive my trade-in. It has to be parked back up front before the deal is made. I also don't pay for a prep fee. If I don't get them down AT LEAST $4K on a new unit It is not a good deal. DON'T make friends with them.

Have not bought a new car since 1987 and never will again.
I like to look at returned lease vehicles and do a lot of shopping. Have not had a car payment in 23 years.
Will look for my wife a "not new" car this fall as she has been driving her 98 Grand Cherokee since about 2001.
Also will never own a front wheel drive vehicle.
Richard in NW SC

"They are the desperate ones because they do have to sell"

Yea but like the saying goes.............
There is a a$$ for every seat.
And it is their job to find the correct one.

First decide what you want before you start shopping. I walk in tell them I don,t play games.I tell the salesman if he can't sell me the car get someone that can. I am shopping for the lowest price. I tell them they are not the only dealer that sells the vehical. If I,m trading I tell them I don,t care what they want for thier vehical or what they are offering for mine I want the drive out differance between the two.Be careful and compare apples to apples.Nip the BS in the bud before it starts. Don't be afraid to walk out.If they are hungry enough they will call you back.

Rule 1. You can and should say NO.
Rule 2. See Rule 1.

Buy new if you can afford it. 5-year power train warranty. 3 years to get any other bugs out. Lemon law. Maintenance is very affordable on a low mileage car.

.9%-0% interest is the way to go. It is better than paying cash in my opinion, as much as i don't like a car note--hadn't had a car payment since '84. I recently bought a new car and the total interest on a 60-month loan is $350. Unbelievable.

I got to the Finance Office and the contract presented to me had the price for the car wrong. It was the asking price, not the price I had negotiated. After some hemmin' and hawin' between Finance Guy and the Salesman they figured it out. It seemed like a blunder and not a plan. I got my price.

I got a 6-cylinder 4-door that runs on 87, gets 29-31 to the gallon, drives like a 4-cylinder in Drive with ECON turned on, but with ECON off and the transmission slipped into Super runs like a scalded dog.

Tuesday morning I totalled the old "going to town" car. I used it everyday because a Ford Focus isn't worth much and keeping miles down on the good pickup makes sense. It is also good to leave at the field when moving equipment - who is is going to bother an old roller skate? The wife drives the good car that's only three years old.

When that deer decided life wasn't worth living the wifey just got what she wanted - another new car! We will use the payoff on the Ferd to pay off the current good car, I will drive that, and she gets a new car. I know it isn't going to go well. She won't let it be parked outside or in any shed other than the garage because a cat might get on it. Can you imagine what will happen when it sits in the wheat field in June? It is a good car that has less than 50 thousand miles - too good to be the parts wagon, but I won't buy a car or pickup used. I keep vehicles a long time and I want to know every mile they have gone.

I do not pay doc fees.

I finalize the deal and when they spring doc fees on my, I simply say this is a cash deal so there are nearly no docs to prep.

When they come back with we always charge doc fees, I say I never pay doc fees and start to get up.

Never paid doc fees yet.

Dean

I don't get new cars either... Bought one once, in 1973. Out of date obviously, but I don't see a need to spend more than I have available.

A year ago I found a car I wanted, sold my 300k mile van privately to a guy headed out on a major US road trip. He wanted it to sleep in.

What I bought cost me less than the original owner lost driving it off the lot. A little AWD coupe that is supposed to do 146 mph. Where, I don't know. Sure is fun to drive, originally a very expensive toy.

What do you have against FWD Richard?

Yall have some really crappy dealerships! Ive never bought a vehicle and hadn't paid what I offered, no games, no hidden charges, etc. I guess Ive been lucky all these years.

Icuby, There are better dealership than the run of the mill kind,
1. Never Deal with Low level salespeople! Ever! Deal at a smaller Dealership where that person has the authority to make the deal, None of this BS of the sales person taking your signed offer down the hall to a manager, only deal with someone in charge, there are plenty of Dealerships where that guy will sit down a do the whole deal with you!
2. any discrepancy in price... Say No and Walk out!
3. have a 2or 3 dealerships 100 miles or better away you price shop too! If the local dealer wont get right with you... Be willing to drive and trade elsewhere! Dealership Love to have their cars and trucks Badges show up in Dealerships outside other general selling area. I priced a truck from a local dealership, found one at a dealership 400 miles away saved a Pant load!
Still made the local dealer the dealer of record they had to service it and all They kept quizzing on what I paid and all the info I never told them what the amt was but it was Well worth driving 400 ,mi one way, + a motel room stay to make the trade!
* My cousin was looking for a New Dodge Dsl. pickup, he lives in the Okla Panhandle searched from Lubbock/Amarillo, Albuquerque, Denver, OkC. Then.. He called a Dealership in Idaho, made the deal over the phone, Flew in Boise, Idaho salesman met him at the Airport, with his truck! Drove to the dealership (Not In Boise) Did the paper work, just as it was on the phone. He then drove home, got there 2 days later.....Save 5K over the best deal he found from the dealers he had checked with!
4. Finding your rig on line and starting from there will usually get you a better deal than face to face with a salesperson!
There in No reason to play these BS games with dealerships. Hope this helps
Later,
John A.

I buy a new Chevy truck every 5 years, not because I have to but because I want to. I know what I want and want on the truck and that is what I tell the salesman as well as telling him I am shopping for the best price and don't plan on buying a truck TODAY. I also carry a folder with the deals I have from other dealers, I don't show this to the salesman even if he ask to see the deals, I tell him I want to see your deal, he shows me what I'm looking for and works up the final figures and then asks me ARE YOU READY TO SIGN THE PAPERS???? Again I repeat I'm not buying TODAY just shopping and ask for a copy of his deal for my folder. The last thing I tell the salesman is not to call me or I will not buy from him even if it is the best deal. One salesman didn't believe me I guess because he called that afternoon to see if I was ready to sign, I said no deal with you since you called when I ask you not to. The buyer has the leverage unless financially a buyer has to take anything offered to get into a vehicle.
Usually I get what I want close to the price I want to pay.

I have helped some folks work on theirs and despise the lack of room to work. Just helped my son put a starter on his wife's 2003 Malibu and getting to the bolts was a VERY MAJOR pain. Last winter had to replace a heater hose on the same car and it was cold and spitting snow and almost impossible to reach the hose behind the engine.
I hate CV joints on them as well. I am just getting old I guess and grew up working on stuff you could see when you opened the hood. Heck, on my 51 Chevy pickup, I can open the hood, crawl in and take the carb off and not get wet if it is raining.
Richard, The old grouchy Grinch

(quoted from post at 16:49:39 01/11/15) Have not bought a new car since 1987 and never will again.
I like to look at returned lease vehicles and do a lot of shopping. Have not had a car payment in 23 years.
Will look for my wife a "not new" car this fall as she has been driving her 98 Grand Cherokee since about 2001.
Also will never own a front wheel drive vehicle.
Richard in NW SC

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Richard, I agree with you about front wheel drive. I also do all my maintenance and have owned two FWD cars.
I don't buy FWD or a vehicle with a rubber belt turning the camshaft! I also don't buy Government Motors Vehicles and haven't for years.
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to many dealers are always trying to b/s you believing they are they the only one that has the best deal,,, it like going to super market, plenty of them out there to shop at to find best bargains..........

Has anyone here used the internet to shop for a new car ? I see a lot of places you just put your info in and you can get replies and make offers too. I never have tried this yet.

A dealer 400 miles away isn't going to service your truck. A local dealer will tell you to take it back where you bought it. There not interested in servicing a truck they didn't sell. If they do you will be at the end of the line for everything.
Everything a dealer does is on the computer, they can find what kind of a deal you got. Dealers all pay the same price for a truck, only difference might be freight.

I buy vehicles a little different then most people.
I drive and check the vehicle, and know the asking price before I do any talking. I have never bought new, so I wouldn't know about negotiating a price on a new vehicle.
I don't play games---If it is of interest I MAKE an OFFER and don't care what additional fees they add to it, they get taxes and anything else from that offer.
I make a reasonable offer that I don't think they will take but am prepared to carry through.
I take control and don't ask them if they will take $$$
No--I am not a professional buyer but it's my money.

Thank God you dodged a bullet!!!!! Don't EVER buy ANY GM product. They did you a favor.

LOL... you have a point. But dropping the engine on an Aerostar van (RWD) was an experience to never be repeated by me. You lower the engine, after unhooking things you can't see, only feel. Then you pick up the body, high enough to roll the engine out.

Our last minivan. She's driving an E150 now.

When I had a safety inspection on my little coupe, the garage owner said he'd be happy to inspect it, but if it needed anything he wouldn't touch it. He'd worked on something minor on one once, had no intention of repeating those contortions.

Not sure I would trust him with a car so complicated, that he knew nothing about. I bought the expensive service manual, knowing my car would never visit the dealer or any other garage.

I kept my mother's old Taurus (FWD) because it wasn't worth much of anything. My wife likes driving it, a little afraid of my Audi. Starting motor on the Taurus was a breeze to replace, same with the hoses. Plenty of room.

I was dealing on a used car and agreed on a price. Went to sign the paper work and there was a $4.50 filing fee. I finished writing the check and then ripped it up and gave it to him and walked out. My parting words were "That filing fee just cost you a car."
Bud

I totally agree on the rubber belt on the camshaft.
Richard

Been on both sides of the new car sales desk, you put up with the garbage and drama because that's the way cars are sold. You can complain about the stuff the dealers pull, but car buyers have been known to pull some unethical stuff too. They justify it by saying the dealer was lying so they do the same to level the playing field. Don't know how many times folks came in to buy a car and all they were worried about was the price, only to come back a week later because they didn't get what they wanted, and yes it was my fault they slime me on the survey so I don't qualify for my bonus. If the only way 75% of the people can be made to buy a car is to convince them I have the best deal in town and we're losing money, the dealers that can make folks believe that are the ones that sell cars. Or to put it another way the process seems to select the best liars for success. A lot of your success in getting a good deal on a car lies in your attitude and a little knowledge. Attitude- realize the dealer is a business and has to make some money, yes there may be times they can sell a car at a loss, sometimes it's really a loss, sometimes they're getting other money coming into the deal that you don't know about so they're still making money. Knowledge- know what you want and be familiar with the trim levels, options and packages. Know what their mark-up is and find out if they have holdback (money rebated to them at the time of sale) most of the time you just find the percentage of the mark up and can work from there. Have financing arranged before hand, if you can get a loan at say 9% know what that's going to cost you (your bank or credit union may give you the decimal number you multiply the price by for the payment), the dealer may be able to beat it, if so take the dealer's finance. Understand they may be able to get you a better deal on the financing and still make some money on the financing. Cash deals can be a strong bargaining point but I saw some deals where they negotiated a better deal with financing and then paid the loan off in 4-6 weeks. This means the dealer lost their finance commission and maybe rolled the car for a few hundred less than they normally would.

Most new car buyers don't know a good deal when they see one. Most of the buyers I dealt with stated they weren't buying a car that day. A few were offered some golden deals they turned down and got really mad when the same deal wouldn't float a few days later, but things change. Maybe the factory cash expired, maybe we started a new month, maybe we sold a car after you were in and that was the "magic" unit that we hit our goal with and made our bonus. Maybe after the shopper left we found out we made a mistake on the deal, we would of lived with it if you'd taken the deal but now we won't. Maybe you told us you weren't shopping us but just wanted to go to dinner, then proceeded to go to another store (owned by us) and tried to work a deal with them on the same car we were talking to you about, when you returned to our store we couldn't sell you the car at the price you were offered because our sister dealer bought the car from us (paying more than you were willing to pay) figuring they'd sell it to you.

Yep, had an Astro van for a while. Thought I was going to bleed to death after changing spark plugs.
Richard

*8) call the insurance company and see what the cost
difference is going to be. Had a salesman one time
didn't like that I added the insurance cost to his
estimated payment when he tried telling me how low
it was.
I didn't call back.

So you also inspect the engine compartment before we get serious about buying anything?

I drove a Dodge AWD with all wheel steering. Unbelievably fast. Then I looked into the engine compartment, and closed the hood. No thanks. My Audi's more mechanic-friendly.

An itemized bill of sale, or not to exceed total amount is a very reasonable expectation before signing any agreements.

I'd say you did get the manager's attention and got your point across. If you can find a still better deal I'd go elsewhere, if not I'd probably apply the gift card to the purchase and move on if everything else is satisfactory.

I buy only new because I work for them. I tell them what I want, they tell me the price, I say yes or no.
Employe price is one # thats all, No Bull Crap
I will use that program about 1 in 12 years. just picked up #4,That puts me in my 50's.

Ray, When you buy a new car are truck anywhere you can set up a new Dealer of Record, They have To Service it! Or do you not know This??? the Dealer is Paid by the manufacture.. they Have to service it!.. Ie Chevy Ford Dodge. Even you major Tractor Makes allow this!
Darn strange, I never had a problem Servicing my truck from over 400 miles away I was in 3 times with warranty issues. All handled same day, made my appointment the day before, was at dealership at 8:00am was out by 5m! Afterthat.... it was pretty much Oil changes and Tire to 355K with a couple of Issues handles by My local mechanic!
Later,
John A.

A few years ago, I had made a low offer and the salesman came back, after talking to the used car manager, with a considerably higher price. I gave him another offer and he got up to discuss offer with the UCM again. I stopped him and asked if he or the UCM was selling me the car. He said UCM had to ok any offer.
A short time later he returned with the UCM and another salesman.
After their introduction, the other salesman asked me "what's keeping us from selling you this car"?
I stood up and stated, "I don't play games with THREE salesman, I will deal with one so two of you have to leave."
They left and I bought the car for my second offer.
My wife was silently setting beside me during the entire negotiation. On the way home she stated "So that's the way it's done, you was in control during the entire ordeal."

It certainly pays to shop and also be somewhat flexible on what you want. We don't HAVE to have a fancy vehicle with all the options. Couple of years ago, in 2012 my rusted out S-10 gave up the ghost so I went shopping for a brand new regular cab Colorado 2WD bare bones rubber floor mat with an automatic. Did I tell you I'm cheap? LOL. I was tired of shifting gears and ever since I don't know when, every cheap vehicle that fell in my lap had a stick so the only option I insisted on was the automatic. I went to different Chevy dealers pricing this pickup and every dealer quoted about the same price except for one dealer that was way higher. After an hour or so of talking with the sales lady at this dealership with the high priced new one I drove away with a fairly well equipped four door 09 2WD Colorado with 12000 grandpa miles for the same price the other dealers quoted for a much less equipped new one. I wasn't interested in one that fancy, but money talks. I heard later that dealer had this pickup on the lot for a long time. No one wanted to buy a 2WD pickup here in NWIA and it was 2WD. After I brought it home my friends joked they won't recognize me in such a nice pickup. LOL I told them by the time I get rid of it in 20 years when I'm 81 years old it won't look this good so you can feel better about it.

Yep, I care more about what it looks like to work on than how it looks outside.
Richard

Similar deal for me. Took a few tries to get the 'Manager' to approve my offer. Comes the paper time there is a$350.00 'Administration fee'. I walked. Getting in my car in the parking lot, the salesman comes running out..You guessed it, Admin fee deleted. Real happy with the price (I chose) and the 2008 Mazda B4000 I got. (90,000 Kms)

That's the usual game. BTDT on both sides of the desk.

The salesman quotes a price, you make an offer. He has to talk to the Sales Manager, or "the Desk" in trade lingo. Sales manager counters above your offer. Etc., Etc., till you either have a deal or it all falls apart.

It's all role playing. When I was selling for GM, a salesman would be dealing with a customer and any other salesman that wasn't busy would play the role of Sales Manager.

Once I was buying a used pickup from a large local GM dealer. I kept that poor salesman running back and forth to the Desk till we got to arguing over $5.00. My wife liked to have killed me. At one point while the salesman was away, she kicked me in the leg and said, "Buy the dammed thing and lets get the hell out of here".

I forget what the final price was, but I know it ended in $2.50 'cause we wound up splitting $5.00.

After one experience, my wife said that I was too tough during negotiations and wouldn't go with me again.

However, she did go with me when I bought the new Camry. Haggled back and forth with the saleman and sales manager. Finally the sales manager came out of his office and made his pitch for his price.

I heard him out, then stood up and extended my hand and said: "Thank you for your time, but I won't take up any more of it". He folded in about 2 seconds and said: "Hold it; you just bought yourself a car" (at my price).

(quoted from post at 15:02:35 01/11/15) "Buy the dammed thing and lets get the hell out of here".

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LOL, that's my wife's attitude with me. We select what we are interested in together then I go back on my own to make the deal. She says I'm too mean. I keep telling her I'm spending our money. I don't care about the sale's guys family or is mother in the nursing home (actually had a car sales man tell me that). I care about getting what I want at the best reasonable price.

Rick

In 1986 I had stopped by a big Chevy dealer near by and found the truck of my dreams on the show room floor. The right color and equipment 1 ton flat bed and I wanted it! I saw the price had a figure in mine that wound buy it. Now I am in the show room all over this truck, Nobody and I do mean NOBODY would talk to me about the truck and after 2 hours I left. Next day I went to the bank and drew out $13.ooo out of savings and went back to the dealer ship to get that truck. I walked in and for 2 hours trying to talk to some one to try to buy this truck, 10 different salesmen just brushed me off like I was nothing. I was beond mad! I saw the owner of this big dealership walk in and go to his office and I followed him in. He looked at me kinda odd and he ask what can I do for you? I said that I came in to buy that 1 ton out on the floor but your people out there will not talk to me about it. I have been hear over 2 hours now and no one will talk to me! Well you don't look like you can afford it. WHAT! Well you don't. We make money off people that look like they can afford them. I was about to totally blow my stack at this point. I looked at him and said COME WITH ME NOW! We walked out to that truck and in a voice as loud as thunder I asked IF ANY OF YOU SOBs in HEAR THINK I CAN AFFORD THIS TRUCK! All the salesmen looked at each other and said NO! Owner said see! I reached into my pockets and pulled out $13.ooo cash and slammed it on the hood of the truck! HOW BOUT NOW! Then all 11 of them were doing there best to sell me a truck, You should have heard them going on. The owner took over and said well its an honest mistake, Were going to make this right now. How bout it? I picked up my cash turned to him and said, I came in hear to buy this truck from you, But now you couldn't sell me a piece of paper to wipe my butt with! I wont be buying anything from you ever and never will and ever body I know I will tell them how you treat people hear! You cant do that! Watch me! and I left.

An hour later I pulled up to there show room doors in a new Ford 1 ton (I was test driving it with a salesmen but they didn't know it) and asked them how they liked my new truck? Oh the looks on there faces was priceless! As I backed out and put it in drive I waved buy when the salesman said floor board it! So I did! 460 auto in a 1 ton with no bed will white smoke them right now! That guy was Laughed all the way back to his dealership and then some. I didn't buy the ford and told the guy what was going on before hand and he was not mad at all in fact he said that was the most fun he had had in a while. In 96 I went back to see him and bought a new Ford from him, He still remembered our little trip to the chevy dealership years before and started laughing again. Bandit

In a previous job I bought cars for the county, a dealer in the central part of the county was a little more aggressive on price than the dealer in the county seat, so they got most of our business. After buying 5 or 6 cars from the dealer in a 2 year period I got to know the guy that did their fleet sales. This dealer also had another store in the county seat of a neighboring county but the guy I worked with on the county cars managed the new car inventory for both stores. He related to me how the GT they were allotted was sold. Seems some older gentleman in ripped up coveralls came in to buy some parts for a Tempo, on his way back from the parts counter he stopped to admire the GT, he began talking to one of the salesmen then asked the question "If I give you $30,000 cash right now will you hold the car until I can get to the bank?" At the dealership I worked at ignoring someone was a firing offense.

Do I get the absolute "best" price on a vehicle? The Honda we drive I paid sticker for 24 years ago, this was before I sold cars and was the first new car in 10 years I didn't buy from a small Ford dealer my parents had been trading at for 20 years. My F-150 I got for about $500 behind invoice, the dealer insists they didn't have any factory cash in the deal, when I sold the factory cash usually equaled the rebate. I think they made about $1250 on it, they say it only floated about $500, either way it was a fair deal and it was an order vehicle so cash could ebb and flow on the deal. Our van, again about 1/2 way into the holdback, it was a model year end deal, I assume there was probably factory cash floating around. Did I get hurt? no, I got a fair deal, had I shopped for two more weeks and walked out of every Dodge dealer in 40 miles I might of saved another $200-$400 dollars.

Last car I bought from a dealer was a used Fusion for my daughter, I went to the dealer that was doing the county cars and dealt with the salesman that handled the county vehicles. Did I get a "super" deal, no I got a fair deal and didn't have to act like a jerk to get it. I called him told him what we were looking for and he pulled a few cars from the other store for us to drive, gave me a picture of what they were expecting in on trade in the next week. Yes he sold us a car that was at the top of our price range and bumped me at that, but judging from the asking price on similar cars again we got a fair deal.

Last 2 new vehicles I have bought, I walked in and told them in no uncertain terms " You get just 1 shot at this, so make your best offer". When they gave me an odd look I explained- you make your best deal and I decide go/no go. Not spending days haggling. First dealer took the night and called me next day- got the 04 Envoy. Second, dealer wanted full sticker on a '11 truck that had been on the lot for 10 months... drove a few miles and got a much better deal on essentially the same vehicle. Took a certain amount of pleasure when they called the next day and wanted to "talk"- told them I already bought from someone else.
Hate negotiating, won't do it. Take your best shot and I'll either take it or walk. Works for me.

(quoted from post at 19:10:32 01/11/15) A dealer 400 miles away isn't going to service your truck. A local dealer will tell you to take it back where you bought it. There not interested in servicing a truck they didn't sell. If they do you will be at the end of the line for everything.
Everything a dealer does is on the computer, they can find what kind of a deal you got. Dealers all pay the same price for a truck, only difference might be freight.

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A dealer will service your truck, they make more on the service side than the vehicle sales side. Freight charges are the same across the country, I pay the same freight for a Honda here in Columbus, OH (made in Marysville, OH) as someone in Los Angeles, CA.