Recovery after ether?

Have had VERY cold weather and needed the tractor. The only way we could get it started was to use ether.... I know, very very bad. Is there some way to restore it or clean it out after using that?
Thanks.

There's nothing to restore or "clean out", and many tractors have left the factory with ether injectors installed.

Not a THING to worry about unless you used so much it knocked horribly, or temporarily locked up.

?????? Will have to educate me here. I didn't know that ether/starting fluid is bad. I have used it numerous times. A squirt of that, and a quick start, and that stuff combusts so fast and burns up, there can't be any left. Unless there is something here I don't know about..

Ok thank you! I really hope there aren't any long term issues.

Is there anything we can use as a safer alternative if/when it gets this cold again?

(quoted from post at 05:50:07 12/01/14) Have had VERY cold weather and needed the tractor. The only way we could get it started was to use ether.... I know, very very bad. Is there some way to restore it or clean it out after using that?
Thanks.

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There is nothing to clean out, ether evaporates almost immediately so that's not the problem.

If used improperly it can cause damage. I've heard of it breaking ring lands, washing down cylinders, breaking starters, etc. If no damage was done, nothing to repair.

Finding out why it needs ether would be the first priority.

I think a big part of the problem in it not wanting to start is our block heater isn't working and we can't find one to replace it. So we are using oil pan heaters untill we can replace the block heater

Block heater. They seem to be unheard of in much of the country?

Starting fluid is fine. Give it a shot and start it.
The trouble come from what Dad did to me, I was cranking on the old Ford and he dumped most of a can in the air filter, when it fired I lost 15lbs of oil psi,and it started using oil.
I gave a whiff of SF to a lawn mower yesterday and it fired right up. That is a lot easier on the battery and starter than cranking and chocking and flooding them.

If your only using it when you absolutely have to
you should be OK . Just use a tiny tiny squirt not
the 3 seconds the can recommends . Me I almost
never ever use it no matter what. I think they
get to where they don't want to start without it .

Yes, a little shot of ether is nothing to worry about but I have heard some instances where the engine really rattles when it starts due to a bit too much ether. Used with discretion it can save a lot of wear and tear on the starter. Most of my diesels have block heaters and I don't need to use ether to start them.

I ran my JD industrial out of fuel, a couple years ago. Just not paying attention. Anyway It was not starting. I gave it a little shot of ether. I never want to hear a sound like that again. I thought I damaged something, but nothing happened. My experience with ether. Stan

(quoted from post at 00:50:07 12/01/14) Have had VERY cold weather and needed the tractor. The only way we could get it started was to use ether.... I know, very very bad. Is there some way to restore it or clean it out after using that?
Thanks.

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You should be OK. Most of the horror stories about ether are from folks that don't know how to use it. Using ether to start is kinda like drinking whiskey, used in moderation it's fine but in excess is not good. I've got an old IH that came from the factory with ether injector. I use it in the winter because I don't have electricity at that farm.

What kind of tractor do you have that you can't find a block heater that will work on it?

Any damage to the engine is already done.

Never use it but understand it combusts so fast and I might add hard enough to crack a sleeve. Friend had tractor that he tried it on and broke the sleeve, one that apperently is not avaible any place. Tractor still setting apart after about 10 years.

You could install a universal fit lower radiator hose can type heater. Many of us have them.

A little bit won't hurt on older engines anyway I had an Oliver 500 diesel that absolutely would not start Winter or Summer without a small shot of ether ran it for over 5 years with no apparent problem gave the new owner 2 cans of ether when I sold it to him.Some of the newer compacts should never have ether so I'm told.

(quoted from post at 02:01:55 12/01/14) Ok thank you! I really hope there aren't any long term issues.

Is there anything we can use as a safer alternative if/when it gets this cold again?

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If you can't get a block heater plumbed in before the next cold spell, a hot air gun (paint stripper) held at the intake will help a lot. Warming the intake with a propane torch or holding it at he intake helps too. The intake suction usually will snuff out the flame when it starts, so an electric hot air gun works better.

I have heard that you should never use ether with glow
plugs, otherwise if used properly it's fine. I have a
magnetic heater that I put on the oil pan of our diesel
along with the block heater, tractor starts like
summer. Tractor also has an intake air preheater. I
like the idea of putting an electric heat gun in the
intake!

Please don't take this the wrong way, and I know what you mean, but the words " ....the intake suction will usually snuff out the flames..." struck me as really funny.

Simple enough to spin a new sleeve on a lathe.

Comon' you're being silly.

Do you know how many millions of tractors came equipped with either for cold starting?

Allan

A small metered wiff of ether from a factory assist is one thing. Bubba spraying ether by hand into an engine is something else.b.t.w. if factory ether is so wonderful . Where is factory ether injector in tractors built the past 10,20,30 years ? The factory doesn't install the ether systems any more because equipment was getting damaged by ether.

Hey Glen here's a list of JD engine powered units that offer electric ether starting aid. Do you want to guess how many are less than 20 or even 10 yrs old?


1236 - 7020 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 13Mar14
1485 - 8430 Tractor (1974-1981) (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14
1486 - 8630 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 17Apr14
1874 - 8850 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 27Jun14
1875 - 8450, 8650 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14
1901 - 4050, 4250 and 4450 Tractors (Engine:6466D,6466T,6359T)(Worldwide Edition) - 19Jul14 ( FR DE )
1902 - 4650 and 4850 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE )
1903 - 8440 and 8640 Tractors - 27Jun14
2224 - 8560, 8760, 8960 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14
2249 - 4055, 4255 and 4455 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 27Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2270 - 4555, 4755, 4955 Tractors (North American Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2309 - 7600, 7700 and 7800 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 17Apr14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2372 - 8570, 8770, 8870 and 8970 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( FR ES )
2389 - 8100, 8200, 8300 and 8400 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2500 - 9100, 9200, 9300 and 9400 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14 ( FR DE ES )
2501 - 8100T, 8200T, 8300T and 8400T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 23Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2540 - 7610, 7710 and 7810 Tractors (S.N. -089999) - 14Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2663 - 9300T, 9400T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE ES )
2770 - 8110T, 8210T, 8310T and 8410T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2831 - 7710 and 7810 Tractors (S.N. 090000- ) (Worldwide Edition) - 27Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2852 - 9120, 9220, 9320, 9420, 9520 and 9620 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2853 - 7720, 7820 and 7920 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Jul14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2854 - 9320T, 9420T, 9520T, 9620T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Mar14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10486 - 8235R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10487 - 8260R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10488 - 8285R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10489 - 8310R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10490 - 8335R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10491 - 8360R Tractor (S.N. 016001 - 090000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10492 - 8310RT Tractor (S.N. 902501 - 912000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT RU ES SV )
10493 - 8335RT Tractor (S.N. 902501 - 912000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10494 - 8360RT Tractor (S.N. 902501 - 912000)(Worldwide) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10502 - 7660 Cotton Picker - 18Nov14 ( ZH PT ES )
10533 - 9430 Tractor (6135HRW Engine)(Russian Edition) - 14Nov14 ( RU )
10574 - 7230R Tractor (S.N. -080000)(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10575 - 7260R Tractor (S.N. -080000)(Worldwide Edition) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10576 - 7280R Tractor (S.N. -080000)(Worldwide Edition) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10580 - 9360R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 014999)(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10581 - 9410R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 014999)(Worldwide Edition) - 16Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10582 - 9460R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 014999)(Worldwide Edition) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10583 - 9510R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 014999)(Worldwide Edition) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10584 - 9560R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 014999)(Worldwide Edition) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10585 - 9460RT Tractor (S.N. 900101 - 905999)(Worldwide Edition) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10586 - 9510RT Tractor (S.N. 900101 - 905999)(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10587 - 9560RT Tractor (S.N. 900101 - 905999)(Worldwide Edition) - 14Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10590 - 9330 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10591 - 9430 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10592 - 9530 Tractors (Worldwide) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10593 - 9630 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10594 - 9430T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10595 - 9530T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10596 - 9630T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10716 - S660 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 745100-765171) - 13Nov14 ( ZH FR RU ES )
10717 - S670 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 745100-765252) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10718 - S680 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 745100-766006) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10719 - S690 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 745100-765249) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10720 - S670 Hillmaster Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. -765000) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10721 - S680 Hillmaster Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. -765000) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10722 - S690 Hillmaster Combine (S.N. 745101 - 765000)(Worldwide Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
10812 - 8130 Tractor - 13Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10813 - 8230 Tractor - 14Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10814 - 8330 Tractor - 14Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10815 - 8430 Tractor - 14Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10816 - 8530 Tractor - 13Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10817 - 8230T Tractor - 14Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10818 - 8330T Tractor - 14Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10819 - 8430T Tractor - 13Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
11502 - 7760 Cotton Picker (Round Module Builder)(s.n. N07760X039001- ) - 18Nov14 ( ZH PT ES TR )
11508 - 9410R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 001999)(Russian Version) - 14Nov14 ( RU )
11509 - 9460R Tractor (S.N. 000101 - 001999)(Russian Version) - 15Nov14 ( RU )
11894 - S660 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 765172- ) - 16Nov14 ( ZH FR ES )
11895 - S670 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 765253- ) - 17Nov14 ( ZH FR ES )
11896 - S680 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 766007- ) - 16Nov14 ( ZH FR ES )
11897 - S690 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 765250- ) - 17Nov14 ( ZH FR ES )
11901 - S650 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition, S.N. 765000- ) - 16Nov14 ( ZH FR ES )
11902 - S685 STS Self-Propelled Combine (European Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES )
11903 - S685 Hillmaster Combine (European Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES )
11949 - 7290R Tractor (S.N. 080001- )(Worldwide Edition) - 14Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
12034 - 8245R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 18Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12035 - 8270R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12036 - 8295R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12037 - 8320R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12038 - 8345R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12039 - 8370R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 18Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12040 - 8320RT Tractor (S.N. 912001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
12041 - 8345RT Tractor (S.N. 912001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
12042 - 8370RT Tractor (S.N. 912001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
12061 - 8335R Tractor (S.N. 090001- )(Worldwide) - 17Nov14 ( ZH NL FR DE IT PT RU ES SV )
12147 - 7310R Tractor (S.N. 080001- ) Engine: 6090RW430, 6090RW431 - 15Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
12216 - 9370R Tractor (S.N. 015000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12217 - 9420R Tractor (S.N. 015000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12218 - 9470R Tractor (S.N. 015000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12219 - 9520R Tractor (S.N. 015000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12220 - 9570R Tractor (S.N. 015000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12222 - 9470RT Tractor (S.N. 906000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12223 - 9520RT Tractor (S.N. 906000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12224 - 9570RT Tractor (S.N. 906000- )(Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( ZH FR DE PT RU ES )
12380 - CP690 Cotton Picker - 30Oct14
12381 - CS690 Cotton Stripper - 30Oct14
12567 - 8295R Tractor (S.N. 055001- ) (Russian Edition) - 17Nov14 ( RU )
12568 - 8320R Tractor (S.N. 055001- ) (Russian Edition) - 17Nov14 ( RU )
12569 - 8335R Tractor (S.N. 055001- ) (Russian Edition) - 17Nov14 ( RU )
12570 - 8370R Tractor (S.N. 055001- ) (Russian Edition) - 17Nov14 ( RU )

I am almost sure ether is an option on John Deere
tractors and I haven't seen a John Deere combine that
didn't have it unless that changed since 2011.

If an engine develops hard starting from ether
- it's from mechanical damage. Not something
that's going to get better on its own. I've
rebuilt a few Dubuque 300 series John Deere
engines that had the pistons completely shatter
from using WAY too much ether sprayed into an
open air-intake. Had a few others not as bad
and just had broken top rings. Just fixed an
Allis Chalmers with the same problem.

Ether works fine when used in moderation and on
an engine designed for it. Otherwise -
sometimes it can spell disaster.

Ether used in moderation isnt bad....I've used it for 50 years
with no bad results...Some people try to empty the can which
is bad.

(quoted from post at 08:52:26 12/01/14) I am almost sure ether is an option on John Deere
tractors and I haven't seen a John Deere combine that
didn't have it unless that changed since 2011.

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Here's a different list that utilizes a different ether container.


690 - 3010 Grove & Orchard, Row-Crop Standard & Utility Tractors (s.n. -049,999) - 16May11
691 - 4010 Tractor - 16May11
858 - 3020 (S.N. -122,999) Row-Crop Tractor - 16May11
859 - 4020 (S.N. -200,999) Tractor - 16May11
956 - 303 Series Power Units - 28Feb13
970 - 1020 Tractor - 16May11
972 - JD300 Series Tractors - 02Nov06
973 - JD400 Series Tractors - 02Nov06
978 - 5020 (S.N.-024,999) Tractor - 20May11
1058 - 570, 570A (Automatic Blade Control System) Motor Graders - 06Jul06
1068 - JD544 and JD544A Loaders - 06Jul06
1088 - 4520 Tractor - 16May11
1096 - 540 and 540A Log Skidders - 13May04
1109 - JD480 Forklift - 06Nov06
1110 - JD644A Loaders - 15Jul05
1115 - 3020 Row-Crop Tractor (S.N. 123,000- ) - 16May11
1116 - 4000 and 4020 (s.n. 201,000- ) Tractors - 20May11
1121 - 1520 Tractor - 16May11
1124 - 860 and 860A Elevating Scrapers - 02Nov06
1142 - 690 and 690A Excavators - 03Nov06
1145 - 2520 Tractor - 16May11
1156 - 5020 (S.N. 025,000- ) Tractor - 16May11
1159 - 329 Series Power Units - 23Jul12
1164 - 4400 Combine - 15May14
1169 - 350B and 350B (Tractor only) Crawler Tractor - 03Nov06
1170 - 450B Crawler Tractor - 18Nov08
1176 - JD500-A (123114-152141) Backhoe Loader - 06Jul06
1226 - JD310 Backhoe Loader - 03Nov06
1227 - 410 Backhoe Loader - 03Nov06
1236 - 7020 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 13Mar14
1239 - 500C Backhoe Loader - 07Nov06
1241 - JD301 Tractor - 03Nov06
1242 - JD401 Tractor - 11Dec08
1256 - 440, 440A and 440B Log Skidders - 29Aug06
1289 - 2030 Tractor - 16May11
1290 - 6030 Tractor - 16May11
1293 - 4030 Tractor - 16May11
1294 - 4230 Tractor - 16May11
1295 - 4430 Tractor - 16May11
1296 - 4630 Tractor - 17May11
1370 - 690B Excavator - 06Nov06
1403 - 544B Loader - 18Jan11
1404 - 644B Loader - 18Jan11
1419 - JD740 Grapple Skidder - 06Nov06
1420 - 450C Crawler Bulldozer - 09Aug04
1428 - 300B Loader and Backhoe Loader - 26Mar08
1429 - 301A Tractor and Loader - 03Nov06
1430 - 401B Tractor and Loader - 03Nov06
1431 - 401C Loader and Backhoe Loader - 19Jul05
1432 - 302 Tractor and Loader - 06Nov06
1433 - 302A Loader and Backhoe Loader - 16Jun06
1435 - JD380 Forklift - 06Nov06
1436 - JD480A and JD480B Forklifts - 07Nov06
1437 - 550 Crawler Bulldozer - 22Sep06
1443 - 450C Crawler Loader - 10Aug04
1464 - 555 Crawler Loader - 22Sep06
1480 - 350C Crawler Bulldozer, Loader - 16Jun06
1481 - 646 and 646B Compactors - 06Nov06
1485 - 8430 Tractor (1974-1981) (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14
1486 - 8630 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 17Apr14
1504 - 770 and 770 (Automatic Blade Control System) Motor Graders - 29Aug06
1518 - 640 Log Skidder and Grapple Log Skidder - 30Aug06
1519 - 670 and 670 (Automatic Blade Control System) Graders - 06Nov06
1520 - 762 Elevating Scraper - 21Oct08
1522 - 755 Crawler Loader - 06Nov06
1523 - 440C Log Skidder and Grapple Log Skidder - 05May06
1524 - 540B Log Skidder and Grapple Log Skidder - 05May06
1571 - 743 Tree Harvester and Feller-Buncher - 21Oct08
1580 - 693B Feller Buncher (Canada) - 09Apr04
1581 - 693B Feller Buncher (USA) - 06Nov06
1583 - 444 Loader - 06Nov06
1592 - 860B Elevating Scraper - 21Oct08
1616 - 890 Excavator - 21Oct08
1620 - 670A, 672A, and 670A, 672A (Automatic Blade Control System) Graders - 24Apr08
1621 - 770A/770AH and 772A/772AH (Automatic Blade Control System) Mo tor Graders - 06May10
1625 - 855 Crawler Loader - 21Oct08
1715 - 755A Crawler Loader - 06Nov06
1716 - 862 Elevating Scraper - 21Oct08
1725 - 740A Log Skidder and Grapple Log Skidder - 21Oct08
1746 - 6622 Combine - 15May14
1762 - 2940 Tractor - 16May11 ( FR DE )
1788 - 444C and 444CH Loader - 06Nov06
1789 - 544C Loader - 06Nov06
1791 - 646C Compactor - 06Nov06
1792 - 743A Tree Harvester and Feller-Buncher - 21Oct08
1793 - 762A Elevating Scraper - 21Oct08
1832 - 655 Crawler Loader - 06Nov06
1843 - 410B Backhoe Loader - 06Nov06
1844 - 510B Backhoe Loader - 06Nov06
1845 - 710B and 710C Backhoe Loaders - 06Nov06
1846 - 480C Forklift - 05Aug04
1874 - 8850 Tractor (Worldwide Edition) - 27Jun14
1875 - 8450, 8650 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14
1883 - 401D Tractor - 29Sep05
1884 - 750 Crawler Bulldozer - 06Nov06
1885 - 850 (Low Ground Pressure Bulldozer) Crawler Bulldozer - 22Oct08
1886 - 340D Log Skidder - 05May06
1887 - 440D Log Skidder and 448D Grapple Log Skidder - 17Sep09
1889 - 555A Crawler Loader - 28Jul04
1890 - 550A Crawler Bulldozer - 28Jul04
1891 - 450D Crawler Bulldozer - 28Jan03
1898 - 4040, 4240 and 4440 Tractors (North American Edition) - 16May11 ( FR DE )
1899 - 4640 and 4840 Tractors - 16May11
1901 - 4050, 4250 and 4450 Tractors (Engine:6466D,6466T,6359T)(Worldwide Edition) - 19Jul14 ( FR DE )
1902 - 4650 and 4850 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE )
1903 - 8440 and 8640 Tractors - 27Jun14
1909 - 455D Crawler Loader - 05Oct05
1930 - 310A, 310B Backhoe Loaders - 16Jun06
1972 - 610B Backhoe Loader - 07Nov06
1973 - 490 Excavator - 07Nov06
1977 - 540D Log Skidder and 548D Grapple Log Skidder - 07Dec06
1978 - 640D Log Skidder and 648D Grapple Log Skidder - 07Nov06
1979 - 690C Excavator - 22Dec06
2023 - 690CR Excavator - 07Nov06
2031 - 210C Backhoe Loader - 13Mar14
2032 - 850B Crawler Bulldozer - 11Mar09
2035 - 693C Feller Buncher - 07Nov06
2036 - 450E Crawler Bulldozer - 02Sep04
2037 - 455E Crawler Loader - 13Dec05
2038 - 550B Crawler Bulldozer - 14Oct05
2039 - 555B Crawler Loader - 16May05
2040 - 655B Crawler Loader - 10Jul09
2041 - 750B Crawler Bulldozer - 09Jul08
2042 - 755B Crawler Loader - 11Mar09
2059 - 444D Loader - 07Nov06
2060 - 544D Loader - 07Nov06
2061 - 644D Loader - 07Nov06
2062 - 570B Motor Grader - 13Oct14
2063 - 670B and 672B Motor Graders - 14Nov14
2064 - 770B, 770BH, 772B and 772BH Motor Graders - 10Nov14
2068 - 310C Backhoe Loader - 07Nov06
2080 - 9950 Cotton Picker - 02Jun11
2089 - 350D Crawler Bulldozer and 355D Crawler Loader - 16Jun06
2094 - 595 Excavator - 16Nov06
2095 - 70 Excavator - 07Nov06
2101 - 482C Forklift - 07Mar13
2102 - 762B Elevating Scraper - 03Oct13
2113 - 7445 Cotton Stripper - 17Jun11
2144 - 315C Sideshift Backhoe Loader - 16Nov06
2151 - 690D and 690DR Excavators, 693D Feller Buncher - 23Apr07
2154 - 450G, 455G, 550G, 555G and 650G Crawler Loaders and Bulldozers - 21Jul14
2167 - 790D Excavator and 793D Feller Buncher - 07Nov06
2170 - 544E and 624E Loaders, 544E TC Tool Carriers and 544E LL Log Loader - 13Mar14
2171 - 644E and 644ER/EZ (TRAM) Loaders - 16Oct14
2172 - 9930 Cotton Picker - 17Jun11
2179 - 9500 Maximizer and 9500 SideHill Combines - 12Nov14
2180 - 9400 Maximizer Combine - 12Nov14
2181 - 9600 Maximizer Combine - 12Nov14
2184 - 643 Feller Buncher - 09Nov06
2199 - 892DLC Excavator - 05Jun13
2209 - 400G Crawler Bulldozer - 08Nov06
2260 - 9960 Cotton Picker - 17Jun11
2311 - 643D Feller Buncher - 13Mar14
2312 - 540E, 640E, 740E Skidders and 548E, 648E, 748E Grapple Skidders - 13Mar14
2321 - 300D, 310D and 315D Backhoe Loader - 13Mar14
2322 - 410D, 510D Backhoe Loaders - 06Nov14
2326 - 790ELC Excavator - 18Jul14
2331 - 690ELC Excavator - 26Aug14
2334 - 4560, 4760 and 4960 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 15Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2341 - CTS Combine (North American Version) - 14Mar14
2364 - 544G and 624G Loaders, 544G TC Tool Carrier and 544G LL Log Loader - 07May14
2365 - 644G Loader - 17May12
2366 - 9965 Cotton Picker - 23Jun11
2368 - 710D Backhoe Loader - 08Sep14
2410 - 2700, 2800 Tractors - 04Jun02 ( ES )
2446 - 9976 Cotton Picker - 13Nov14
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2575 - 410E Backhoe Loader - 07Nov14
2602 - 9970 Cotton Picker - 17Nov14 ( ZH PT ES )
2605 - CTS Combine (670101-674000) (European Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE IT ES )
2663 - 9300T, 9400T Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE ES )
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2701 - 9510 and SH9510 Maximizer Combines - 15Sep14
2702 - 9610 Maximizer Combine - 14Oct14
2733 - 8110, 8210, 8310 and 8410 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 23Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2752 - CTSII Combine (North American Edition) - 14Oct14
2753 - CTSII Combine (S.N. 675000- ) (European Edition) - 14Mar14 ( FR DE IT ES )
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2756 - 410G Backhoe Loader - 13Oct14 ( FR ES )
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2802 - 9650 Self-Propelled Combine - 16Nov13
2803 - 9650 CTS Self-Propelled Combine - 14Oct14
2843 - 9986 Cotton Picker - 13Nov14
2853 - 7720, 7820 and 7920 Tractors (Worldwide Edition) - 19Jul14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
2900 - 9650STS and 9750STS Self-Propelled Combines - 12Nov14
2901 - 9860 STS Self-Propelled Combine (North American Edition) - 14Oct14 ( FR ES )
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4133 - 1530 Tractor - 16May11
4143 - 1830, 2030, 2130 Tractors - 12May11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4150 - 2040 Utility Tractor ( -349999) - 16May11
4154 - 830, 930 Tractors (European Edition) - 12May11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4155 - 1030, 1130, 1630 Tractors - 12May11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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4174 - 2040S, 2140 Tractors ( -429999) European Edition - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4175 - 3040, 3140 Tractors ( -429999) European Edition - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4182 - 2150 and 2255 Tractors (North American Edition) - 11Jun14
4183 - 4040S, 4240S Tractors - 12May11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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4185 - 2140 Tractor (430000- ) - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4186 - 3040, 3140 Tractors (430000- ) - 11Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4187 - 2350 and 2550 Tractors (North American Edition) - 11Jun14
4188 - 2750 Tractor (North American Edition) - 11Jun14
4189 - 2950 Tractor (North American Edition) - 25Jul14
4193 - COMBINE ( -041200) 1085,1085HY/4 - 16Oct01 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4200 - 3640 Tractor (Europe Edition) - 29May14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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4203 - 1085, 1085HY/4 (041201-) Combines - 01Aug06 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4204 - 4425 Combine - 12May06
4207 - 3150 Tractor (North American Edition) - 12Dec13
4208 - 4350 Tractor - 12May11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4209 - 3050, 3350 Tractors (European Edition) - 21Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4210 - 2650, 2650N, 2850 Tractors (Synchro-Transmission)(European Edition) - 21Aug14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4211 - 2250, 2450 Tractors (Synchro-Transmission)(European Edition) - 29May14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4212 - 1550, 1750, 1850, 1850N Tractors (European Edition) - 26Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4213 - 1350 Tractor (European Edition) - 18May14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4214 - 2955 Tractor (s.n. -767516) North American Edition - 19May14
4215 - 2755 (GPT) and 2855N Tractors (North American Edition) - 22Sep14
4216 - 2355 and 2555 General Purpose Tractors (North American Edition) - 25Jul14
4217 - 2155 and 2355N Tractors (North American Edition) - 25Jul14
4222 - 1188, 1188HY/4 Combines - 21Aug06 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4223 - 2250, 2450, 2650 Tractors (Collar Shift Transmission) (European Edition) - 25Jul14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4225 - 3650 Tractor (European Edition) - 18May14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4226 - 3155 Tractor (North American Edition) - 18May14 ( FR DE ES )
4227 - 4435 and 4435 Hydro Combines - 07Sep06
4242 - 6610, 6710, 6810 and 6910 Self-Propelled Forage Harvesters (Worldwide Edition) - 12Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4244 - 1174, 1174HY/4 Combine - 31May06 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4245 - 1177, 1177Hy4 Combine - 15May06 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4248 - 2054, 2056, 2058 Combines (European Edition) - 17Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4249 - 2064, 2066 Combines (European Edition) - 20Feb13 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4252 - 6200, 6300, 6400, and 6500 Tractors (North American Edition) - 22Sep14 ( FR DE ES )
4273 - 2254, 2256, 2258 Combines (-068583) (European Edition) - 09Mar13 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4274 - 2264, 2266 (-068583) Combines (European Edition) - 20Feb13 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4277 - 6200L, 6300L, 6400L and 6500L Tractors (North American Edition) - 22Sep14 ( FR DE ES )
4289 - 6650, 6750, 6850 and 6950 Forage Harvesters (Worldwide Edition) - 12Jun14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4301 - 2254, 2256, 2258 Combines (068584-)(European Edition) - 09Mar13 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4302 - 2264, 2266, 2266EXTRA (068584-) Combines (European Edition) - 18May12 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4304 - CTS Combines (S.N. 068887-070122) (European Edition) - 20May12 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4318 - CTS Combine (070231-071384) (European Edition) - 18May12 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4373 - 9780 CTS Combine (European Edition)(S.N. 071443-072697) - 17Aug12 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4376 - 9540WTS,9560WTS,9580WTS,9540i WTS,9560i WTS,9580i WTS Combines (S.N. -080015) Worldwide Edition - 17Feb14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4377 - 9640WTS,9660WTS,9680WTS,9640i WTS,9660i WTS,9680i WTS Combines (Worldwide Edition) - 17Feb14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4389 - 9780CTS, 9780i CTS Combines (072800- )Worldwide Edition - 17Feb14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4393 - 7200, 7300, 7400 and 7500 Self-Propelled Forage Harvesters (Worldwide Edition) - 21Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4412 - 7700,7800 Self-Propelled Forage Harvesters (Worldwide Edition) - 23Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4477 - 9540i WTS,9560i WTS,9580i WTS Combines (s.n. 080016- ) Worldwide Edition - 17Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4495 - C670 Combine (Worldwide Edition) - 21Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4524 - 7950 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Cummins QSK19 Engine) (Worldwide Edition) - 20Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4608 - 7250 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 19Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4609 - 7350 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4610 - 7450 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4611 - 7550 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4612 - 7750 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4613 - 7850 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 18Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
4614 - W540 Combine (Worldwide Edition, MY -2011) - 21Sep14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
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4660 - W650 Combine (Worldwide Edition, MY 2012- ) - 20Sep14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
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4665 - T670 Combine (Worldwide Edition, MY 2012- ) - 20Sep14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
4726 - 7180 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 18Sep14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4727 - 7280 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 18Sep14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4728 - 7380 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4729 - 7480 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4730 - 7580 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4731 - 7780 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 16Oct14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4732 - 7980 Self-Propelled Forage Harvester (Worldwide Edition) - 18Sep14 ( ZH FR DE IT PT RU ES )
4769 - W540 Combine (Worldwide Edition, MY 2014) - 22Sep14 ( FR DE IT RU ES )
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9206 - 9660 Self-Propelled Combine (North American Edition) - 14Oct14
9207 - 9660CTS Self-Propelled Combine (North American Edition) - 14Oct14
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9234 - 9750STS Canadian Combine (North American Edition) - 11Jun13 ( FR )
9297 - 4920 Sprayer - 12Nov14
9421 - 9996 Cotton Picker - 13Nov14 ( PT )
9562 - 9560 STS Self-Propelled Combine (North American Edition) - 14Oct14 ( FR ES )
9568 - 4930 Self-Propelled Sprayer - 12Nov14 ( FR )
9650 - 7760 Cotton Picker (Round Module Builder)(s.n. -N07760X039000) - 18Nov14 ( ZH PT ES )
9661 - 9870 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
9662 - S690 European Combine (S.N. -745100)(European Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
9663 - S690 Hillmaster Combine (S.N. -745100) (European Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
9666 - 6081 Tier I AG Applications - 23Jun11 ( FR DE IT ES SV )
10554 - 9670 STS Self-Propelled Combine (Worldwide Edition) - 13Nov14 ( FR RU ES )
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11565 - 9770 STS Combine (South American Edition) - 19Sep14 ( PT ES )

I've got a 2006 Deere 870D motor grader you can add to the list of factory ether assist engines.

The dangers to using ether are:

1. Using too much.
2. Using it in conjunction with glow plugs or a grid heater.

There's also the myth that tractors get "addicted" to ether. It's a myth. The reason the tractor won't start without ether is because the engine and/or injector pump is tired. That would be a fact with or without ether.

There are some really old really tired diesels that are so loose that you can dump an entire can of ether in them and not hurt them.

Ether is not a problem if it's used properly.... that can be a BIG IF...
I've never had a problem with ether myself but I have seen engines with bent rods and piston lands blown off because of it. I've always tried to have the engine rolling before I spray and only use the smallest burst I can get from the can. If it doesn't fire in 3-4 seconds then I'll give it another little burst. If it's extremely cold... then mabey a little more. My own belief is that the real problems start when you get a cold engine that won't start... and you crank it and load the piston crowns up with raw fuel... then you feed ether to it because it won't fire... and a big blast of ether WILL make fire... and it ignites that big fuel load that you've already got in the chamber... and then it knocks like hell, bends rods and breaks pistons and rings. Ether, in and of itself, in the absence of another fuel... is not a problem in any way.

As far as the idea of an engine being addicted to ether... that's nonsense. If an engine won't start without ether it's either worn out or already severely damaged from ether. Rebuilding is the only corrective action at that point.

Rod

I think these are a cast. He did find a used one and when they went to do some cleaning I think it shattered.

Ether is fine if used in moderation, no action is required if you did not break anything. JD actually had Ether addition on tractors from the seat.

Ether has been replaced on most engines by glow plugs or thermostart. These systems will be adequate unless conditions are severe, then Ether is the only solution.

Modern ether isn't near as potent as is was in the 60s and 70s. That's when the most damage occurred.

As everyone has said, too much can cause
damage.

I was told that it can dry cylinders out and
cause wear; that is ether has a negative effect
on any oil coating the cylinder preventing
wear. I was told this with regard to small
engines, weed whackers, chain saws, etc, so
maybe it is worse for them. I'm simply sparing
in its use, it is also sort of a diagnostic
tool; if it starts with ether, you obviously
have a spark or glow and you likely have some
sort of fuel issue.

My 2005 Int'l. 5900i with C-15 Ct had factory ether injection. We all know how proud Cat is of their engines. I see that as a good indication of properly used ether not being a problem.

I had a balky Oliver diesel that I used ether on for 30 years- and it started as easily when I sold it as it did when I got it. My method- start cranking the engine, do maybe 5 revolutions, and then just a puff in the air cleaner as I continued cranking. I don't think I ever used a full can before it lost its "fizz" and would no longer work.

I did go look at a Ferguson 35 diesel one time- the guy had to keep squirting ether to keep it running, until it finally took off (in a manner of speaking) on its own. I explained that it obviously had very low compression and needed a complete rebuild. The guy he bought it from said the ether drill was just the usual way of starting it, and he was not happy to hear what I had to say.

Hi
From the list above TX Jims posted looks to me
like the greatest tractor and equipment
manufacturer in the world. Still might Not of
figured out the problem,and how to get their
product to start good, when the sun goes behind
the clouds L.O.L.

Theres a few greens parked in heated shops
round here that don't start that good in
winter.
I had a Deere in the shop and needed to move a
Belarus, to get it out for the customer. he
said there's no chance of the Belarus starting
,the Deere won't. This Deere being a fairly new tractor, not a 4020. He looked kinda embarrassed
when the Belarus fired up, and the Deere
coughed wheezed, and farted worse than my poor dearly
departed Granddad did, on a cold morning L.O.L.
Regards Robert

Robert Major
Just because JD offered ether starting aid as an option does not indicate an engines cold starting ability/inability. I own a 4255 that has the electric ether starting aid and I've never activated it to start the engine in sub freezing temperatures.

My 856 Farmall had an ether injector that was activated from a button on the dash under the starter switch.

Must not cause any damage if the factory installs an injector.

In cool weather, I give my D19 Allis a whiff in the intake before I hit the starter. Been doing it since I bought the thing in 1972. Haven't heard any complaints from it.

My dad ran a dozer on road construction in his earlier days. He said one guy ALWAYS used Ether, one day he gave it a shot after lunch when engine was still hot and broke the head.

I don't have a john Deere other than a lawn
mower and some that come in the shop, But I do
have a sense of humor, that some don't!.

I have customers that say they don't start that
good in the cold winters up here that are die
hard Deere and Deere only. They only get
another brand rep on there yard once.
Thats when he's new to the dealership and
don't Know any better than not to call there,
or the boss don't like him and sends him anyway
L.O.L!.

I was on the guys yard that owned the one that
was in my shop, that wouldn't start in the
cold, when he was rude to the new sales man
from CIH. He told him "never call here again,
IF I want a red ------- tractor or combine! I
will call you"!.
The guys that green, but addmits its not a
great starter in the cold, and there are others
to say the same and will say the same of a
4020! they have been green that long.

If yours starts and your happy then as far as
i'm concerned That's all that matters to you,
and your farming practices.
Guys round here comment about it to me that
have them So they must have a reason to think
it and to say it. its not the neighbor that
loves fords saying it about next doors Deere.
Regards Robert

could not had been said better my self ,, allan ,,,folx jus need to use common sense

Robert Major
If your last post was aimed at my reply you need to take into consideration that I live quite a few miles south of the Canadian border where it doesn't get near as COLD as were you live!!!! I never implied nor stated JD engines don't need a SNORT of ether in cold temps. :wink:
Regards,Jim

Robert Major , You will get the green undies people in an uproar.

(quoted from post at 17:09:57 12/01/14) Robert Major , You will get the green undies people in an uproar.

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Pete
I own JD,Ford & Kubota tractors but my undies are white with brown skid marks!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

What about WD40?

Has anyone used that instead of ether and what are your opinions?

Thanks!

In years past I've used WD40 or a gasoline soaked rag held over air intake pipe to get an engine started on a cold day.

is that safer/better for the engine?

Still available on a John Deere S690 combine. Brand
new machine still being produced.

dont like the new ether spray .
it comes out to fine and slow .
good for smaller stuff .
i use brake clean .
more bang .
yes i have torn engines a part from over use .
its not for ever one !!!
block heaters dont work well back in the woods .

But that's impossible haven't you read the back of
the ether can why its better for an engine than
regular oil changes.

now thats funny

If Brake Clean has chlorinated solvents in it the combustion process will make Phosgene Gas. It is deadly and totally dangerous. Even if it is not chlorinated, it probably has Toluene and Xylene in it. These chemicals are not safe to use for a starting fluid. I stake my health on best practices. Not a """flame""" Jim

We always joked that on a cold morning you "pulled the pin" on a can of ether and dropped it in the air stack on the 4430 like a grenade before starting. Seriously, they took a good dose on cold mornings. It never seemed to hurt, even after 15 years at 165 hp and a lot of 300 foot trIps in 13,500 "stock" turbo.

"Modern ether isn't near as potent as is was in the 60s and 70s. That's when the most damage occurred."

Mike, I don't wanna get in a pi$$ing match with you or call you out, but can you post ANY verifiable info to back up that statement?

Jim,

Here are the ingredients in Brake Clean

Methanol 67-56-1 40 – 50
Toluene 108-88-3 15 – 25
Heptane 142-82-5 / 64742-49-0 15 – 25
Acetone 67-64-1 5 – 15
Carbon dioxide

Jim,

Here are ingredients in WD40

Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
Petroleum Base Oil
LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
Carbon Dioxide
Non Hazardous Ingredients Mixture

I have looked at the MSDS sheets for several starting fluids, they all seem to contain a lubricating agent.

Is there really a lubrication issue, or just a legend?

(quoted from post at 21:20:47 12/01/14) "Modern ether isn't near as potent as is was in the 60s and 70s. That's when the most damage occurred."

Mike, I don't wanna get in a pi$$ing match with you or call you out, but can you post ANY verifiable info to back up that statement?

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Bob, How about "dont like the new ether spray .
it comes out to fine and slow" ? For it to be finer it would have to be propelled at higher pressure and thus faster. Kind of mutually exclusive. But we have to maintain our insistence that most things used to be better back in the "olden days" Right?

(quoted from post at 21:20:47 12/01/14) "Modern ether isn't near as potent as is was in the 60s and 70s. That's when the most damage occurred."

Mike, I don't wanna get in a pi$$ing match with you or call you out, but can you post ANY verifiable info to back up that statement?

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If you look at the ingredients on the can, almost all "STARTING FLUID" contains little, and usually no actual ether.

A few years back I attended a seminar on diesel engines for model airplanes, and the presenter both showed and explained this.

Ether is mixed into the diesel fuel for the tiny model airplane engines because they can't withstand the combustion pressure needed to run on straight diesel.

He explained that at the time, the only starting fluid that contained real ether was the JOHN DEERE brand.

Google it - the brand matters. Some as low as 20% ether, some as high as 60%. Valvoline even claims theirs contains "upper cylinder lubricant" so some brands could contain about anything

JD calls it Diethyl Ether advertised as 80% ether

One should note that the CO2 used as a propellant in that mixture will do precisely the opposite of what one is trying to do whilst using WD40 as a starting aid... CO2 will put the fire OUT. When it used LP as a propellant... mabey it was useful; not so these days.

Rod

(quoted from post at 00:20:47 12/02/14) "Modern ether isn't near as potent as is was in the 60s and 70s. That's when the most damage occurred."

Mike, I don't wanna get in a pi$$ing match with you or call you out, but can you post ANY verifiable info to back up that statement?

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YUP. My nose and the way it acts. In other words experience.

Spray some of that upper cylinder lubricant on some oil about
the oil thing it won't kill is Lucas at 40 below .

Y'all have some very valid points and tips to using ether, I have used it will success at times, I know it can also be harmful if used improperly.

But no one has mentioned the most important use for ether and that is for setting the beads on tubeless tires. Ive done this many times. It sure is good for keeping the heart rate up, and giving a good shot of adrenalin to your body. Just make sure you have removed the core from the valve stem.