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Here in Minnesota the airwaves have been inundated by candidate ads. Most of them have been negative, bordering sometimes crossing the border on outrageous and disgusting. Think of the good those many millions of dollars could do. What a waste and very glad it is over. Can anything be done to fix this?--Rand
 
(quoted from post at 06:23:06 11/04/14) Here in Minnesota the airwaves have been inundated by candidate ads. Most of them have been negative, bordering sometimes crossing the border on outrageous and disgusting. Think of the good those many millions of dollars could do. What a waste and very glad it is over. Can anything be done to fix this?--Rand
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Not as long as we vote with our wallets. We vote by what the government is going to give us. It comes in many forms. Give me health care, give me a place to live and food on my plate. Give me heat and clothing. Give me some kind of subsidy. "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". That should be tattooed on everyone's forehead at birth.

Rick
 
Had heard of this in past elections in other places, finally came
here to Minnesota this year.

Those ads have been awful, terribly awful this year, has turned
me off to a lot of candidates.

Just terrible.

I don't think I will be nice at parades any more when the
candidates go by, have to let them know that sort of junk
comes home to roost. I used to be polite whether for or against
and smile, but gonna tell them all to clean up their advertising,
both sides.

Paul
 

I do not want the government to actually give me anything. What I want from government is for them to just leave me alone, and leave it up to me to either succeed, or fail. If I fail, I do not expect government to bail me out either.
 
I heard the total spent on election ads this year was $150 per vote cast.

Somebody did a study a few years ago and determined that businesses get a return on their investment of campaign contributions of something on the order of 20,000 PERCENT. (In other words, they get back about two million times what they spend.) It's good business to spend money on political campaigns.
 
The ads these days are nothing compared to 150 -200 years ago, politicians of those times called each other everything in the book and disparaged one anothers families and challanged one another to duels and sometimes fought the duels. I like it, the whole point of opposition is to oppose. I do not want my candidate to get along with the other side, I want him or her to actively and voraciously fight against whatever the other party is proposing. Gridlock is the only hope left to save this country from ourselves because government on all levels is the problem. As long as politicians spend their time bickering and stealing they are leaving the country to run itself, as should be the case. All 535 members of congress could steal a million dollars per day each and as long as they passed no legislation and did no further harm to the constitution and the economy it would be chicken feed and we would all be miles ahead in the long run.
 
It's always been bad here in upstate NY. Many districts, and news media that cover several districts, so we get bombarted with ads for politictions out of our voting district. The only good thing that I see with the millions of $$$ spent for advertising is that the money is staying local. After the elections, we will be back to all the ads from hotshot lawyrs who will get you the money that "you deserve"
Loren, the Acg.
 
How do you change it when all canidates are the scrapings off the bottom of your shoe sole? The only way to get a change is change elections so everyone gets a chance to vote on every and all canidates with either a yes or no vote and only the ones to get a 75% or better yes could then run against each other. If none could get that 75% then there would have to be a start over with all new canidates, none of the failiong canidates could run again for that spot.
 
You can't fix it without undermining many of the principles this country was founded under:

1. Free enterprise.
2. Free speech.
3. Free and democratic elections.

Anybody can run for any office. Is the deck stacked against you? Heck yeah, it is. For most of you that's the whole point of the existence of this country... It's all about stacking the deck in your favor, tilting the playing field to your advantage... and apparently whining when someone else turns out to be better at it than you are.
 
Military take over of the government. Kind of like happened in Crimea. Now, we have a do nothing congress and a President that seems to be always out to lunch.
 
Rusty, What you are saying is that you want a government that protects your right to succeed, with laws and enforcement that makes it a fair game, and allows you to use your brains and skills.
 
An interesting event in my town: several people
are running for mayor, including a nice black
lady with considerable managerial experience and
a good reputation. She was leading the polls, so
the knives came out. One of her opponents, a
black man, decided to take her out by revealing
that when she was in her early 20s, with a new
baby, she divorced herself from an abusive
husband with a snub-nosed .38. The fallout took
a nasty turn for her antagonist: her poll
numbers went even higher, and I think by
tonight she'll be mayor.
 
I do agree that all that money spent would do more good reducing the national debt.
Instead it just go to the national news media to grow bigger and bigger controlling everything.
Full discloser of the money might help some ?
 
The local paper refused to even support a candidate in one district.
I didn't feel any real urgency to go vote,but I did it anyway.
Daily News
 
In a senatorial race the incumbent refused to run a negative campaign here. Instead focuses on all the good done. The past 2-3 elections the same and won by 75% The oponants are very negative and it looks like another 75% win tonight!!!!
 
Laa,

Yes, many people don't realize how tame things are today compared to campaigning of the first 100 years or so of this country. Duels were fought over campaign insults. Jefferson and Adams were good friends until they ran against each other for President. After they barely spoke to each other the rest of their lives. Andrew Jackson's opponents tore him apart over his girlfriend/companion. It was TR and Grover Clevand(I believe?) who were mutual supporters until after Clevand served as President and they became bitter enemies as a result of Clevend's polices. Nope, todays politcs are pretty mild compared to the politics of the 19th and early 20th century.
 
Various possible improvements or back to old standards in elections--for instance, dueling does have advantage of no recounts usually needed. Canada and a few other places have shorter election campaign advertising allowed it seems- the candidates get a month to advertise, cuss each other out and a couple days before election all advertising stops. Maybe apply truth in advertising laws? Get to sue the candidate that doesn't fulfill promise- likely to be job security for lawyers instead of truthful campaign speech though. Proportional representation and weighted voting proposals have been advocated- a few places have some of the proposals- a losing party that still gets more than 5 or 10% of vote gets proportionate share in parliamentary seats instead of winner takes all electorial college votes as in presidential elections. The presidential elections where winner has to have 50.1% of vote in first round to become winner or face a rerun election between top 2 of previous runs candidates- Bill Clinton under that kind of election law would have had to run against Bush only- no Perot to split votes- and some people figure 80% of Perot voters would have voted second round for Bush. Single election with weighted multiple votes- you have 4 choices for president, you vote 1,2,3,4th choice and at end if no first choice winner the 4th lowest 1st choice eliminated and the votes freed up get the 2nd choice indicated and recalculate- maybe enough of eliminated guys voters number 2 votes will get a over 50% for somebody else. Majority of voters will have their favored or second choice acceptable candidate as winner- or go another round. As final default for US- ask the
Queen of England to send one of her kin over as governor-general-viceroy to run the country for 2 years, bring along a couple High court judges and appoint a couple more from US judges as first act, investigate rest of politicians and send the worst crooks to gallows- or Transport them for 10 years to middle of Australia where only water has to be hand pumped from deep well. On second thought, the Australians have enough troubles with some of there own politicians and natural disasters, wouldn't be fair to make them suffer our politicians besides-guess we need more rope and take care of them ourselves. RN.
 
A big factor in elections is money. He or she who can access mudslinging money from local, state, and national levels usually wins the election. Don't say what can be done to improve things, just sling mud at your opponent. Look at the race in ky the incumbent spending 15 or 20 times the amount of campaign money the opponent spent or could access. That will win him the election - money from who knows where. We're talking millions not small change money. Election campaign runs are worse than a century ago. This comes from 24 hr availability of media, newspapers online, paper newspapers more frequent, computers, internet, social media, smartphones, radio, radio talk shows daily, television, more money available for slinging mud in the 2000's. Society attitudes are worse than a century ago with entitlement much more prevalent today, just a general decline in society values like courtesy, no where to be found in politics.
 
Tx passed a law requiring a photo Id to vote. It was challenged as discriminating against minorities and poor, etc. Went all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court upheld the law.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg wrote a 6 page scathing report denouncing the law.

She has way outstayed her welcome.
 
The conservative court decided it was free speech, now there is so much money involved, it will only get worse.

At least it will be over today for a year.
 
What we need to be able to do is charge any sitting politician at the federal level for treason if they introduce anything that violates the constitution.

Rick
 
When a corporation can get the death penalty I will believe they have the right to free speech and unlimited spending on "their" puppets. Really, no one should be allowed to spend more then 10% of taxable income. Some of these corporations show little or no taxable income yet spend millions on elections. :evil:
 
The supreme court members need to be voted in and out when needed. Life time apppointment is BS.
 
I do not like voting season, the mud slings far and wide. But....I think the only way for things to change in this country and ALL the bums to be voted out is for a major crisis to the USA. 35% unemployment, people going hungry all over the USA, gasoline at $10 per gallon, A Micky Ds hamburger at $10 each. But that is the whole problem, it will not get that bad cause the bums in office now make sure that everyone is fat, dum and happy.
 
WE ARE DONE..........Too far done the road; we will never get back to any where civilized. We actually can't help ourselves doesn't matter who you vote for. MAJORITY DOES NOT RULE ANYMORE. It is all about me and my rights:period. Been voting them "bum's out for 50 years. One judge overrules the majority and further down the road we go.
Only hope is for some outside element. America for the first 150 years was an aberration in history
 
That's not so bad. Here in SE Indiana we're part of the Cincinnati market, we get all the political advertising for Southwest Ohio and Northern Kentucky, but because SE Indiana has low population we don't get Indiana political advertising. The Cincinnati stations don't even bother pretending to cover Indiana news either (except to say "serving the tri-state"), unless somebody dies.

At least some of the advertising you're bombarded with is relevant to you.
 
(quoted from post at 10:23:06 11/04/14) Here in Minnesota the airwaves have been inundated by candidate ads. Most of them have been negative, bordering sometimes crossing the border on outrageous and disgusting. Think of the good those many millions of dollars could do. What a waste and very glad it is over.[b:61954da6ea] Can anything be done to fix this?--[/b:61954da6ea]Rand
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Yes, RUN FOR OFFICE! Get out there and fix it yourself as much as you can. VOTE. Get active. That's how you fix it. Sitting around whining about it doesn't fix anything.
 
The Supreme Court ruled that the appeal was too close to the election to overturn the law. Later when the issue is revisited the law probably will be overturned, unfortunately.
 
I live in Indiana and was standing in line to vote today when the young fella next to me tried to vote as well, but was sent away. In Indiana to vote one needs to show a state of Indiana issued photo ID of some sort, and they are scanned by something imbedded on/in the back of them, and you need to be registered beyond that. This young fella wasn't registered at least in Indiana, and the ID that he tried to use was issued by the state of Arizona. He didn't get to vote today. As bleak as things may and do look, that simple gesture today reinstilled some confidence in me that all is not completely lost yet. Something else about our ID law. For as much as some complain about how unfare that ID laws are, ours has been in effect since 2005 and stories over the past two weeks have been about how our law inconvenienced no one, although I bet they tried to dig up some evidence that it has. I disagree that it hasn't inconcenienced anyone somewhat. Today I stood and watched someone from Arizona trying to use an Arizona isuued ID be turned away at an Indiana polling place. Did he also early vote in Arizona? Maybe, and maybe not.

Mark
 
Some of the disgusting adds are not put out by the candates nor are they endorsed by the candidates. They are created and funded by groups I suppose I could call special interest groups. Most of the candidates know they are not well thought of by the general society and have as a result cleaned up their language a bit.
 
(quoted from post at 19:09:33 11/04/14) WE ARE DONE..........Too far done the road; we will never get back to any where civilized. We actually can't help ourselves doesn't matter who you vote for. MAJORITY DOES NOT RULE ANYMORE. It is all about me and my rights:period. Been voting them "bum's out for 50 years. One judge overrules the majority and further down the road we go.
Only hope is for some outside element. America for the first 150 years was an aberration in history
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I understand what you're saying, but you have to remember that we don't live in a democracy, we live in a republic. The difference basically comes down to in a democracy winner takes all and the loser is entirely dependent on the winners compassion for his existence thereafter. In a republic the loser still retains his rights and has no fear of being completely negated. IOW, while the majority may win, the rights of the minority are protected. There are other differences too, but the point is that majority rules was never the law in this nation at the Federal level as far as voting went.
 
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