OT:maybe a new hunting gun

Lou from Wi.

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I am waiting to hear from a fellow who has a Remington 7400 semi auto rifle. I can use all the help in speed of not using a bolt action. It's a 30-06 with both iron sights and see thru mounts and a scope. We have already own a 30-06 mauser bolt action,so this might make it a little faster for me.Wisconsin this year has a new hunting regulations,ie buck only and a few first come,first serve for doe. I hunt as a handicap cause I can never track out a deer, as I would have to rely on my son to do the tracking. We have always hunted with the 300 win mag,and we never had to track a deer for over 40 years. But seeing as how I am aging and the speed and repetition of operating a bolt action is getting a little tough, a semi auto may be the cats meow. I always wanted a semi auto preferably a Browning, it still maybe happening,if my offer falls thru. We'll see.
Regards,
LOU
 
cant hunt with semi auto here in pa. I think that's for the best. when I was a kid my dad always taught me if you are not absolutely sure of your target/backstop then you shouldn't take the shot. I remember being so impressed by how every year he would only take 1 bullet with him to drive that lesson home. he used an old .32 rem with iron sights and I don't ever remember him ever missing.
 
Bucks only and limited doe tags? You're going to be overrun with deer in 5 years.
Contrary to what some believe, you shouldn't be able to count 60-70 deer in a single herd.
 
I've got a 7400 30-06 and its a nice gun. I dont really have anything bad to say about it, easy to load with a detachable magazine too. I'm a lefty so thats why I went with the 7400, I know there are LH bolt guns but at the time I didnt want to wait to order and then pay the extra premium most had for being a lefty.

The only complaint I have which is not the guns fault is it doesnt throw brass too far so when shooting left handed it will sometimes drop the spent casing on my right arm and they are HOT.
 
If you are allowed to hunt with semi autos then that would be a good choice. Here in PA we aren't allowed them. Another faster action is the pump action. My dad has a 7600 and it can run through the 5 round magazine a heck of a lot faster then the bolt action and still keep your eye in the scope and on target. I would like to have the iron sights below and the scope on top. That makes it easier when we are doing drives. But he uses it for deer and has killed many with it. Very reliable gun. Just another option for you.
 
My son inherited his Grandfather's 3006 BAR this year, but we have not shot it yet.
Ron
 
If you handload, you'll need a "small-base" resizing die.

I guess I don't see the need for an autoloader for deer. A friend of mine hunts deer and elk with a single-shot T-C Encore in .270.
 
A guy doesn't need much of an excuse to buy another tractor or another gun.
But in all my years of hunting I have never had a situation where I needed to shoot so fast at a deer that I needed a semi auto.
You get ONE chance to place that bullet. Make it count the first time.
 
Proven design, reliable if kept clean and lubed, not tack drivers but adequate for hunting out to 250 yards or further given a good marksman and adequate preparation. The 06 itself is more than adequate.
 
I had 742 in a 30-06, and hated it. It may have been the scope that was on it, but I could NOT hit the same place twice.
I am of the opinion that 1 shot is all it takes to take a deer. More then that and you probably better go back to the range.
I have harvested more deer with my 223 then any other rifle I own.
 
I had a Remington 7400 in .280 hated the gun poorly built as far as I'm concerned.Also in my opinion a 30-06 for Whitetails is way too much gun.I have a Ruger 77M now in .257 Roberts and its more than enough to kill any Whitetail plus its a lot more accurate than the 7400.
 
I had a 7400 in 30.06 several years ago. In Indiana, it is not legal caliber for deer but it works good for coyotes. I was also going to Colorado with an engineer I worked with. Shortly before we sent money for the trip, he was "downsized" and moved away. Trip was off. After the disappointment, I sold the rifle. Wish I kept it as we are getting a lot of coyotes around here now.

I shot at a coyote and first shot was short. He just jumped and looked around. Second shot removed him. Second coyote started trotting off, not sure what happened so I got a shot at it. 2 down! I walked it off and it was right at 400 yards, from a solid rest and a good Nikon scope.

I liked the 7400 over a bolt action because it did not kick quite as much. Some of the recoil is used to load the next shot vs. solid bolt and manual re-chambering. I think you will be happy with it.
 
Traditional Farmer:

I have a M-77 in .257 Roberts too. With had loads, it prints dime-sized, three-shot group at 100 yards. Don't use it much--I'm in shotgun only country.

Larry
 

A .30-06 still has enough bump to have to re-acquire a good sight picture. I have a M 760 Pump and love it. You can HIT stuff with it just as fast as the autoloader with a little practice. Bullet tech has improved enough that a .30-06 today will kill like the .300 of 40 years ago.

As I get older, I find I enjoy my .25-06, my .270, and my 7mm Mauser a lot more than the .30-06, and any of those will handle big deer just as well as the .30.
 
That sounds like the Remington 30-06 that my cousin bought. On the 2nd round it jammed! When it jammed a second time, he took it back and got a bolt-action. A gun that jams is no good when the deer is moving away.
 
Before you buy any Remington semi-auto have it thoroughly disassembled by a competant gunsmith to see how worn the gun is. A 7400 in good shape works okay. You buy one that is worn out, (and most of them are or they wouldn't be selling them) it makes a good club and that's about it.

The BAR's are better guns in my experience. If recovery from recoil is a concern, you might consider the AR style guns in .308. Hornady's hot .308 ammo is in the power range of the .300 H&H mag.

I've worked on enough 742/7400 rifles to know there is nothing so worn out as a worn out Remington semi-auto. I've also sent more Remington semi-autos back to Illion, (including several NIB) because nobody could make them work, than any other rifle I ever sold. I've never sent a Remington 7600 pump back. They are basically the same design as the 7400 inside, but the manual operation makes a differnce in reliability when the guns get worn.
 
I hunt with a bolt action 300 Weatherby. In 46 years, only once did I hit a deer with the second shot. When I'm shooting at the range, I can't stand the kick. About 10 shots is my limit before I can't hit a barn at 100 yds. When I'm shooting at a deer, I don't even feel the gun go off, just hear the bang.
 
For the money I would buy a DPMS AR10 (LR 308 or LR 243) in .308 or .243. Out of the box they are one of the most accurate rifles you can buy in the $1000 range and a much better rifle than the Remington 7400 ever thought of being.


http://www.dpmsinc.com/LR-308_ep_124-1.html


MSRP is $1200 but on a good day they can be had in the $1000 range or slightly less. More expensive than a 7400 but a much better rifle.
 
I've heard they are good (never seen one in action) but I've also heard they are nighmare to clean and service(they look like it).

Do they have to go back to the factory every 2000 rounds or is that internet BS talk?
 
I would agree a semi in a military action/rifle is very effective, especially with reduced recoil and rapid site picture recovery. I've never cared for the reliability of civilian/hunting semi autos, for whatever reason, just stuck with something of proven reliability on that end, a springfield armory product.

Sure I firmly believe in one shot, one kill, but over time, a person can and will miss, I can think of more than one in over 30 years of whitetail hunting. I've hunted with a semi for 20+ years, have effectively reloaded ammunition for it. I know the value, the feel and the results of a tack driving bolt action, makes you think, who needs a semi LOL ! However, having used a semi for a very long time, I get the same effect, but with one advantage, tolerable recoil, immediate second shot with rapid site picture recovery. A few years back on thanksgiving morning, I plainly missed on the first shot, 2nd was dead on vitals, it dropped without running, they usually run 100 feet. Time was limited as the target was walking slowly out of sight, 200 yds, extreme angle from my stand, without the semi, I'd have lost the opportunity. Most times it is one shot, but there is confidence knowing that if you do miss, you can recover very quickly. I often practice shooting etiquette, breathing and holding steady, on live targets from the stand, so when the time comes, I've got that down, and with the ammo situation, as much as I would rather practice by shooting live ammo at targets, it serves me well. Last season a carefully placed shot hit dead center of the heart, friends dad while field dressing, ah, well.... probably luck, but over the years its been repeated many times by that same rifle. I remember so carefully resting and squeezing off that particular shot, I do like the 2 stage trigger, though its not been modified, I know the feel and know what to expect every time. I believe in using what works best for you, which is really only known through actual experience.

If you think your age, condition and ability given the previous, are better served with a semi, I would not hesitate. You can certainly practice a little, see how it feels, see what you can do, then know when the season comes, compared to what you have been using, hopefully the change improves things. I think a semi is fine, sure its not so you can dial in on the target during the season, it just gives you that confidence in quick back up, if by chance you do happen to miss.

Every year I sit in my stand and count the shots, opening day, and throughout the season, off in the distance, I hear bolt action misses frequently, in stark contrast, the 3 of us that hunt here, most times you will hear that one solitary shot, with good result, a humane kill. It seems a lot of people around here take multiple shots, and it sounds like many of them miss, and I have found many unclaimed deer that were shot or wounded by these fools over the years. One was a nice buck, that I had observed all summer, it was hit between the back legs, as if you cut the hide, and exposed the thigh muscle, the hide was loosely hanging off the insides, for awhile after close examination. That poor deer suffered immensely I am sure, it dropped or broke its horns off, being wounded. It matched the buck I watched nearby, for that entire summer and was returning to its domain when my father shot it with a '94 .32 special, iron sights, thinking he was filling a doe tag, in reality it was one that needed to be put down because of some idiot who made the decision to shoot the deer in the butt, in that case the rifle was smarter than the hunter !
 
What ranges are you shooting from? Semi-auto shotguns and lever action rifles still take down a lot of deer on the first shot.
 
They are somewhat of a cult status item. More than you will ever want to know is on the FNH forum. I have not shot mine much yet, but it is really nice and it has a great trigger.

One thing to watch for is that some were made with the top pic. rail bolted on crooked, making sighting in a scope very problematic. I took two straight edges along when I bought mine and laid them along the rail and it lined up fine with the barrel. I guess the bad ones are really bad which goes against how well made and accurate the rifle is. The factory will fix or replace a bad rifle but that can take a long time.

Being a piston action, they don't get dirty that fast, and total disassembly of the bolt for cleaning is not even recommended. There are youtube vids of the process too.

I think it is cool as heck and need to get it to a range this fall.

Winchester markets the same gun with a regular stock instead of the pistol grip. 5 round magazines are available for either one, I think they are the same.
FNAR Forum
 
I have a 30-06 7400. Bought it new in the early 80's and it still looks and shoots like it did the day I took it out of the box. It has a 3x9 scope with see thru mounts installed. Great gun for shooting up to 300 yards. It drastically drops beyond that. I have never had to track a deer after using it.
 
I had trouble following all of your blather and bragging but I do agree with you on using the gun you like and practice makes perfect. A semi-auto loader will shoot as good and as far as any style of loading mechanism. And yes having that second shot loaded and ready to fire can be the difference between a wounded and lost deer or a nice dead buck to take home.
 
(quoted from post at 05:10:31 09/15/14) I had 742 in a 30-06, and hated it. It may have been the scope that was on it, but I could NOT hit the same place twice.
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Sounds like the scope base screws had loosened up - should be locktited 8)
 
Look for an older , pre 64 Winchester Model 100 semi auto in ,308 or .243. 06 is too much for WT does and also quite a pull for older guys.
It's almost a cult item in the forested Black Hills of SD. I have one each if interested. PM please
 
(quoted from post at 23:10:39 09/14/14) I am waiting to hear from a fellow who has a Remington 7400 semi auto rifle. I can use all the help in speed of not using a bolt action. It's a 30-06 with both iron sights and see thru mounts and a scope. We have already own a 30-06 mauser bolt action,so this might make it a little faster for me.Wisconsin this year has a new hunting regulations,ie buck only and a few first come,first serve for doe. I hunt as a handicap cause I can never track out a deer, as I would have to rely on my son to do the tracking. We have always hunted with the 300 win mag,and we never had to track a deer for over 40 years. But seeing as how I am aging and the speed and repetition of operating a bolt action is getting a little tough, a semi auto may be the cats meow. I always wanted a semi auto preferably a Browning, it still maybe happening,if my offer falls thru. We'll see.
Regards,
LOU

308 is a 7.62X51 NATO . Will always be able to find ammo.
A 200yard deer will be just as dead hit with a 308 as a 300Win. It's no 400yrd moose.
 

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