Dave H, Supertrucker and Spook - road rage update

Got a little shocking news right after I commented on Daves post on the road rage in Howell.

Turns out I know (knew) the guy that was shot and killed. Not a close friend, but more than an acquiantence. Hes not the type of guy that is a hot head by any means. But the only two people that really know every word that was said, would be him and the guy that shot him.

I am sure there will be more to come.

Rick
Livingston Daily

WJR reported this am the shooter is in jail as they decide what to do with him.

Has anybody thought of post tramatic stress? I dont know his age or background but its not all military either.there are people out there who have fought hard to hang on to farms and sometimes when the legal system fails and you have the stress of hanging on it leaves marks that can come out latter .there are people out there that are going to react to threats in ways that are not good

Rick...my wife sent me a text as she was leaving work to tell me it was very congested there due to the number of reporters and such. I know a little about the parties involved...it is all heresay, but does not mean it is not true. A deputy I know tells me the shooter is from down Pinckney way. I believe the worst thing in his history was an eviction from an apartment. The portrayal of the victim in the press is starting to sound like a witch hunt. The widow has hired an attorney who is hiring a PI, but remember, this case will be handled by a prosecutor and the only thing she would hire an attorney for would be after the fact civil litigation. Seems like she jumped on that awfully quickly. You would think you would grieve and have a funeral and THEN start looking for damages.

Lastly, I have been told that the victim was a landscaper. I want to be careful how I phrase this, because I don't want to get anyone on the hook here but a couple I know who own a business not far from here tell me the victim cut the lawn of their building for a while. Various incidents of bad temper caused them to find another landscaper. The woman told us that the victim was a pretty scary guy. I did not know him myself but the facts she gave me ring true with the sort of fella who would get out of a car to give driving instructions to another driver.

My friends wife went to school with the victim . As Dave says we will never no the whole story but the wife is awful quick about a attorney. ........ I just found out the truck that hit the power line in chesterfield yesterday was a guy I worked with before. Crazy is on the loose so be careful out there.

Dave,
Agree with you on the grieving first. It makes me wonder if she was just inundated with requests when it happened. An unarmed man shot probably makes quite a few lawyers jump on the bandwagon to represent.

I always believe there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually in the middle somewhere.

I didnt know him real well, and never had any business dealings with him. But to me I wouldnt classify him as scary or having a temper. BUT, I am not around him on a daily basis or for business, so he could be a different person at "work".

I am sure as the the investigation and results are released the details will come out. Regardless, if both of them had taken just a little different actions you would have had a completely different outcome. Both would be alive and possibly neither in jail.

Rick

Oh the ambulance chasers were on the widow like flies on manure before the body even cooled off.

Stop referring to the deceased as "victim" until we know the facts of the case. If the rumors are true and the deceased was indeed a hothead, and he was the one who got out of the car and started banging on the shooter's window, then the deceased is no victim.

All calling him a "victim" does is make what he did okay.

He was arraigned on open murder charges this afternoon.

When I was an adjuster slimy lawyer types were paying hospital staff to place their business cards on an accident victims bed side table when they were sleeping, still unconscious or out of the room. So we had insured talking lawsuit from the hospital bed when they had no idea what happened. Often we knew more than they did because by the time they were awake and off any mind numbing medications we had an accident report in hand. Some lawyers are nothing but slime balls.

Rick

When I was on the road a lot I ran into road rage from other drivers. I never got out of my car or truck until I was miles away from who ever was enraged. Nothing can ever be resolved buy what either person says. Every driver of every age or gender makes mistakes that could irritate another driver. Makes no sense what so ever to confront another driver out on the road.
You have no idea what kind of person is in the other car

A little story for you:

Some years ago, I had an auto repair shop in a little village in upstate NY. One day there was a fire that destroyed the shop (4 doors from the "volunteer" fire house).
There was a write up about it in the local papers.
1) They got the address wrong.
2) They misspelled the business name.
3) They misspelled my name.
4) They gave my age wrong.
The only FACT that they got right was that there was a fire.

The moral:
Don't believe everything that you read in the paper. Nobody takes the time to verify what are loosely called "facts." I see a lot of loose talk about "woulda," "shoulda," "coulda" but so far, little in the way of actual facts. An investigation _should_ bring out the truth. Until then, I will not express an opinion as to guilt or innocence of the shooter. Nor will I consider the deceased a "victim" until it is proven that he was indeed a victim. Just being dead does not make him a victim - especially if bad behavior is the reason for being dead.

Tell me about the lawyers. My Dad was involved in an accident back in 1972, the Truck he was driving (Bob-tail semi tractor) was hit from behind, spun out and fell off a bridge on the Tri-State Tollway. We still don't know how but he walked away. Had lawyers calling the house for weeks offering him money for the case.

If he was unarmed, it"s going take ALOT to
convince a jury that the shooter was in the right.

In my opinion, if the younger guy was unarmed,
there will NEVER be an excuse for the older man
shooting him in the head. There are 10 other much
better places to shoot a guy that"s threatening
you. I very much doubt that young guy would
continue to approach the vehicle if he saw that
the older guy had a gun pointed at him.

As far as I"m concerned, if the younger guy was
unarmed, the older guy should be sentenced to
death.

(quoted from post at 22:34:17 09/04/14) A little story for you:

Some years ago, I had an auto repair shop in a little village in upstate NY. One day there was a fire that destroyed the shop (4 doors from the "volunteer" fire house).
There was a write up about it in the local papers.
1) They got the address wrong.
2) They misspelled the business name.
3) They misspelled my name.
4) They gave my age wrong.
The only FACT that they got right was that there was a fire.

The moral:
Don't believe everything that you read in the paper. Nobody takes the time to verify what are loosely called "facts." I see a lot of loose talk about "woulda," "shoulda," "coulda" but so far, little in the way of actual facts. An investigation _should_ bring out the truth. Until then, I will not express an opinion as to guilt or innocence of the shooter. Nor will I consider the deceased a "victim" until it is proven that he was indeed a victim. Just being dead does not make him a victim - especially if bad behavior is the reason for being dead.

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Agree 100%!!! The news used to call our station every morning for the latest arrests, incidents, etc. You'd give them the names, ages, where they were from, where it happened etc. The reported inaccuracies were mind boggling! Of course when someone called the newsies on their bad reporting they'd blame us! Never trust the news, especially if it's anything at all juicy- like a rape, murder, anything to do with se x or infidelity, politics, etc.

I just read about a "road rage" event not to far from. According to the newspaper some hot head forced his way past a 60 year old man and then forced him to pull over. He got out and confronted the man and then shot at him as he drove off.

Real Story:

The 60 year old man is an old perv that likes to park by the park and do his thing while watching the little kids play. Apparently he had figured out where one of these kids lives (out in the country) and had parked on the edge of their driveway and was doing his thing while watching this child play in his front yard. Dad came out of the house and caught him "in the act" and chased him down and was ready to kill him.

Newspaper story made a whopper of a mistake in story about me once. Didn"t make'em retract it. I was afraid of what they'd do in the retraction.

(quoted from post at 13:52:45 09/04/14) Rick...my wife sent me a text as she was leaving work to tell me it was very congested there due to the number of reporters and such. I know a little about the parties involved...it is all heresay, but does not mean it is not true. A deputy I know tells me the shooter is from down Pinckney way. I believe the worst thing in his history was an eviction from an apartment. [b:879df878b3][i:879df878b3]The portrayal of the victim in the press is starting to sound like a witch hunt. The widow has hired an attorney who is hiring a PI, but remember, this case will be handled by a prosecutor and the only thing she would hire an attorney for would be after the fact civil litigation. Seems like she jumped on that awfully quickly. You would think you would grieve and have a funeral and THEN start looking for damages. [/b:879df878b3][/i:879df878b3]

Lastly, I have been told that the victim was a landscaper. I want to be careful how I phrase this, because I don't want to get anyone on the hook here but a couple I know who own a business not far from here tell me the victim cut the lawn of their building for a while. Various incidents of bad temper caused them to find another landscaper. The woman told us that the victim was a pretty scary guy. I did not know him myself but the facts she gave me ring true with the sort of fella who would get out of a car to give driving instructions to another driver.

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Many times, lawyers are hired very early as a PR campaign. While the press seems to have picked a side already, it could have easily swung the other way with the press supporting the other side. Be that as it may, the widows lawyer is likely keeping this front page as much as possable with near daily press releases and new stories. It should come as no surprise, they will all be about what a great father he was, pictures of him smiling with his kids if possable or on some dream vacation with his wife. Any and all claims he was a bad person will be prepaired for and if not fought in the press now, they will be in a court room. Example; any claims he was a hot head will be countered that "it was just his way, he loved doing a good job so much he sometimes yelled" or his friends and co-workers will be groomed to be on the stand to say that he never ment anything or harm, just "talked loud" at work but was a barrel of laughs at break or 5 minutes later.

This widows lawyer is a PR lawyer, you can count on it. Nothing more than remolding this guys life after the fact by keeping an eye on the end game. What happens tomorrow or the next day dont matter, setting things up for the end is what counts.

It should be noted that the above PR game is considered jury tainting by most people but most people never connect the dots to see whats going on. You can look back on the Martin/Zimmerman case to see what gets done both by the estate of the dead person and the news media.

Same thing here and the one and "only" time I agreed to such a posting. What appeared was no way what happened and I was there.

Mark