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Jet shot down

heard is was a malaysian air passenger jet , 295 passengers on board. may have been shot down, happened in the ukraine.
 
280 passengers, 15 crew, not that it matters on the semantics.....

They are all pointing to Russian supplied stuff doing the shooting by Russian backed warriors. Speculation by reporters (I realize what I am saying there, the accuracy is terrible by these early reporter types....) is the Russian backed thugs got a little over eager and shot at anything, got this passenger plane.

That will draw in the entire world, when a passenger plane involving a European and south Pacific flight is shot down. Whatever Putin was trying to accomplish, this just made his goals a whole lot more international and farther from reach. This gets the whole world involved, and no one can just ignore it as a local deal not our problem.

A big deal.

Paul
 
I fly a route over Ukraine in and out of Amsterdam every 28 days and so does one of my Sons. No use worrying about a missle I guess because airport security is virtually nonexistent in the middle east anyway.
 
What hasn't been talked about are the other airplanes that have been shot down in that area. Only makes news when passenger jet. Me think Mother R.
 
Since everyone has to wear seat belts while driving how about everyone has to wear a parachute while flying? Bet some lives could have been saved.
 
Scary, I really doubt the Russian Government had anything to do with it, eventhough they will be blamed. Thinking the Ukranian Government using it as a way to blame Russia though. Sad no matter who was on the plane.
 
wouldnt be the first time the Russiand shot down a passenger jet.anyone recall the Korea air lines plane shot dowm in the 80's they know they can get away with it I dont think anyone in our government has the guts to stand up to Putin
 

They just said on the evening news that it appears that the black box is on the way to Russia. It is supposed to be left in place for international investigators. They reported also about two military planes that had been shot down.
 
Lots of speculation and blame throwing going on right now. Whether the truth is ever going to come out is another matter. After other events in that region, I think the strongest action that will probably be taken may be more sanctions, if any. The consensus right now seems to be that somebody shot a missile at a Ukranian transport plane and wound up hitting the passenger plane instead. A terrible tragedy any way you look at it.
 
don't think it would help here , as it was blown out of the sky. don't think anyone would have known what hit them.
 
I have to disagree. It makes a big difference if it was shot down or had a catastrophic failure at altitude. The Boeing 777 is one of the most popular jets in the world, it's safety is important to a lot of people.
 
Sometimes fighter jets get hit with a missle and the pilot ejects and survives. Of course fighter pilots have more than just a 'chute, such as an ejection seat and helmet.
 
"Just wondering if the airliner getting shot down might start a war.. "

It might, but if it extends beyond hashtags or a phone and an ink pen calling for an erasable red line, campaign fund raisers, or teleprompters and friendly TV cameras, it won't involve us. One thing is for sure, the matter of our southern border vaporized today.

Mark
 
Just an FYI, for those who do not remember.

Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai that was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the Vincennes.

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died
 
(quoted from post at 18:01:38 07/17/14) Scary, [b:f4d23c9a5b]I really doubt the Russian Government had anything to do with it,[/b:f4d23c9a5b] eventhough they will be blamed. Thinking the Ukranian Government using it as a way to blame Russia though. Sad no matter who was on the plane.
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Yeah right, those Rooskies are all tigers that have changed their stripes. I'd be re-thinking that idea. I too thought the Cold War ended and communism died, I was wrong.
 
(quoted from post at 13:13:18 07/17/14) Since everyone has to wear seat belts while driving how about everyone has to wear a parachute while flying? Bet some lives could have been saved.
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Seriously?

Passenger airliners are flying fuel tanks with people inside. Relatively speaking they have the structural integrity of a beer can if that beer can was scaled up to airplane size.

You hit something like that with a missile: BOOM, fireball, pieces everywhere. There was no dramatic several-minute-long descent to the ground like you see in the movies. Parachutes would simply provide more combustible material for the fires. Ripstop nylon burns real good.

Could you imagine 300 untrained people in a panic trying to bail out at 30,000 feet?

Well, I guess mandatory parachutes would reduce deaths in airline crashes... Nobody could afford to fly, so the planes would be empty when they crashed!
 
It depends if the governments involved want to go to war or not. Things like that can be used as an excuse to to start wars, but it rarely happens. Cooler heads keep things from getting out of control.

I didn't realize the USS Vincennes incident happened over 25 years ago. It doesn't seem that long ago.
 
(quoted from post at 08:02:26 07/18/14)
(quoted from post at 18:01:38 07/17/14) Scary, [b:14ae904549]I really doubt the Russian Government had anything to do with it,[/b:14ae904549] eventhough they will be blamed. Thinking the Ukranian Government using it as a way to blame Russia though. Sad no matter who was on the plane.
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Yeah right, those Rooskies are all tigers that have changed their stripes. I'd be re-thinking that idea. I too thought the Cold War ended and communism died, I was wrong.
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And China will become Red China again?
 
At 30,000 plus feet without oxygen and very warm clothing there is little chance of survival if any. Plus the passengers would have to wear the chutes or be strapped into seats equipped with chutes for it to maybe saving even one life. And that's all depending if any passengers would survive the initial explosion. Most likely they were all dead before they hit the ground.

In the news this morning the FAA warned US pilots to avoid flying over that area a few days before. The international aviation people also issued a warning to airlines about flying in that area.

We don't know who fired the missile yet. It could be the rebels, the Ukrainian military trying to stir the world against the rebels or even Russia itself trying to stir the pot for whatever reason.

The "black box" is examined by the aviation authority in whatever country a plane goes down in unless that country request assistance with it. Besides, the box is only important when trying to figure out what happened when the cause of an accident is unknown.

Rick
 
You remember that too?


The other issue - who the He77 routes a civilian airliner into a war zone where everything that flies is being shot down (besides Ukrainian air traffic controllers)? And why would the civilian pilots fly it through said airspace?
 
(quoted from post at 09:58:47 07/18/14)
(quoted from post at 08:02:26 07/18/14)
(quoted from post at 18:01:38 07/17/14) Scary, [b:3c024fc25a]I really doubt the Russian Government had anything to do with it,[/b:3c024fc25a] eventhough they will be blamed. Thinking the Ukranian Government using it as a way to blame Russia though. Sad no matter who was on the plane.
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Yeah right, those Rooskies are all tigers that have changed their stripes. I'd be re-thinking that idea. I too thought the Cold War ended and communism died, I was wrong.
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And China will become Red China again?
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They still are and always have been. So I should have said "Russian communism died", my bad. Of course now it's not the communism of our youth, now it's a blend of communism/capitalism/oligarchy or whatever the word is. It's new, IMPROVED Communism!!!
 
(quoted from post at 14:53:40 07/17/14) wouldnt be the first time the Russiand shot down a passenger jet.anyone recall the Korea air lines plane shot dowm in the 80's they know they can get away with it I dont think anyone in our government has the guts to stand up to Putin
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hat he says^^^
 

They weren't the only ones there. 55 aircraft flew that same airway on that day. Not saying it was smart, just that Malaysia wasn't the only one out there.

Wrong place, wrong time.
 
(quoted from post at 17:24:47 07/18/14)
They weren't the only ones there. 55 aircraft flew that same airway on that day. Not saying it was smart, just that Malaysia wasn't the only one out there.

Wrong place, wrong time.
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Well at least they know where this one is at.

Rick
 
Could be as simple as somebody during practice, maintenance or training making a mistake. Somebody busy, distracted, drunk, tired or showing off, " if you push this button like this.........oops"
 
(quoted from post at 13:42:14 07/18/14)
(quoted from post at 13:13:18 07/17/14) Since everyone has to wear seat belts while driving how about everyone has to wear a parachute while flying? Bet some lives could have been saved.
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Seriously?

Passenger airliners are flying fuel tanks with people inside. Relatively speaking they have the structural integrity of a beer can if that beer can was scaled up to airplane size.

You hit something like that with a missile: BOOM, fireball, pieces everywhere. There was no dramatic several-minute-long descent to the ground like you see in the movies. Parachutes would simply provide more combustible material for the fires. Ripstop nylon burns real good.

Could you imagine 300 untrained people in a panic trying to bail out at 30,000 feet?

Well, I guess mandatory parachutes would reduce deaths in airline crashes... Nobody could afford to fly, so the planes would be empty when they crashed!
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don't know what else to say you explained it pretty well,so,ditto!
 
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