OT---GM recalls!

Jiles · Jun 5, 2014

GM has recalled 15.8 million cars and trucks worldwide this year which is a record number of recalls for them in a single year, yet[b:1943238229] May sales for GM jumped 13% compared to a year earlier.

[/b:1943238229]Is this true? I have two relatives that work for two local GM dealers. They both tell me that they are worried about their jobs and the future of GM based on their dealings with disgruntled customers!

earlschieb · Jun 5, 2014

I would agree with your relatives, the mighty ex Government Motors is about to fail, again. Did you happen to notice a while back that external_link sold all of the USA"s GM stocks, at a loss, just a month before they started the recall"s?

Mike M · Jun 5, 2014

No surprise to me. I had nothing but trouble with GM cars and trucks in the past and don't want anymore of their junk.
They do make some nice models that look good and ride good but the quality control is not there !

They can't even figure out how to get two headlights to stay lit at once.

JDemaris · Jun 5, 2014

As far as I'm concerned - GM owes all us US tax
payers a lot of money. Bailing them with tax-
dollars was ludicrous. If they HAD gone under -
some other company would of picked up the slack
and hired more workers.

Funny how GM swore that if bailed out by us -it
would honor problems with present owners. Now - GM
wants to blame many recall problems on the pre-
external_link GM and not pay for the repairs.

I'm a "born again" Ford fan. Hats off to Ford as
the only US auto company left that did not beg and
whine for tax-dollars to stay afloat.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 5, 2014

o yeah the gals always fall for gm styling ,..gm has stoood for junk sine the mid 70s,,.sheeple still buy them because their folx always did ,,..and when they select their government they use the same rule of thumb ,,,gm owners are followersof the l I br ral a ge nda ,,, there is very little creative thought amogst them every gm product that I owned that was built after 1981 , when I got rid of them was only fit for the junk yard,,, all 5 of them ,,, however ,,, I have a 59 chevy c-60I would put up against anything

Jiles · Jun 5, 2014

(reply to post at 14:56:43 06/05/14)

The most concerned relative is my niece. I told her that I didn't think she had to worry very much.
Over the years, I have worked with many who would go back and buy a GM product even after having problems with the last two or three they bought new!
On the other hand, I have known many Ford and Chrysler owners that would have problems with them and never buy another and switch to another brand.
I guess GM owners are more loyal then others, and that may be the reason sales are up---if the really are?

MarkB_MI · Jun 5, 2014

GM will do fine as long as gas prices stay where they are. Its profits are still highly reliant on SUVs and light trucks. Should gas go up above, say, five or six bucks a gallon, GM and Ford will both be in trouble. As will Chrysler, aka Fiat.

Dick2 · Jun 5, 2014

Back in the 60's, we were required to turn in our leased company vehicles at 60,000 miles - until we got a memo that said not to drive Chevrolets over 48,000 miles because any more miles than that and they threw rods through the side of the block.

I bought a lot of Chevy vehicles for the state, but we had a lot of trouble with 350 engines dropping a valve at about 50,000 miles.

We bought 75 Toyota compact pickups that the crews beat the crap out of but they kept on going. At the disposal auction, even with 150 - 200,000 miles, they bought a premium price compares to the GM & Ford pickups. Couldn't hardly get scrap prices at auction out of an S10 with 50,000 miles on it.

IH2444 · Jun 5, 2014

do we know what country those GM cars were sold in?
China?

Jiles · Jun 5, 2014

I have not been an owner of GM products for many years. The last one I owned was a Chevy truck with the gas engine that they converted to diesel.
Wasn't that a great idea??

JDemaris · Jun 5, 2014

Converting a gas engine to diesel works fine when
done right. Just so happens Oldsmobile did a lousy
job of it. Many Isuzu, Nissan, and VW diesels in
cars were "converted" gas engines. So was the 6.9
and 7.3 diesel used in Ford trucks. Started as a gas
engine in a school bus.

mkirsch · Jun 5, 2014

If they HAD gone under -
some other company would of picked up the slack
and hired more workers.

Why would they? The hundreds of thousands of unemployed that would be created by the failure of GM aren't buying new Fords or Dodges, or much of anything for that matter.

You don't hire more workers when demand for goods decreases. You downsize. You lay people off.

Gchase24 · Jun 5, 2014

How people forget? Go ahead and jump on the bandwagon. Peoples rush to judgment floors me. What about the Toyota recalls a few years back for the throttle? Fords recall when the ignigtion switch was catching fire when parked? I know of two in the area that burnt peoples houses. Pinto gas tanks , chevy truck sadle tanks: on and on and on. My daughter and son in law each drove a Ford 6.0 diesel both were screwed up pieces of crap.Ford has a current recall as we speak.I agree a GM coverup has happened.Untill there is criminal prosecution for these executives that run these monopoly companies it will continue to happen. BP oil spill? Don"t forget people died on that drilling rig. Afew million dollar fine is chump change to these companieshey write it off as operating expenses. Untill we get the the corporate money out of polititions pockets lobbyist out if wshington we will never ever change anything. Oh by the way I drive GM products and own a Chevy colbalt that is being recalled.

Hay hay hay · Jun 5, 2014

No doubt the GM recall is bad, but.....

Toyota recently paid a $1 billion dollar federal fine for covering up product defects on several million vehicles....did any of you happen to notice?

Toyota got $3 billion dollars in subsidies from Texas....did anyone call them Texas Motors?

VW got $280,000 per job from Tennessee, the state effectively paid their wage bill for 10 years. hard to compete with Tennessee Motors. Any ont heard a gal on TV that is sure her 23 year old brother was killed by a product defect at 3AM, coming home from a birthday party with his buddies. Product failure??? Why not claim it?

Robin Hood · Jun 5, 2014

I'd like to know how many GM & Chevy trucks out
there have significant rust problems. I have an 05
Sierra with 85,000 miles. Both rocker panels have
multiple holes in them and the bed side is
rusting/bubbling through above the wheel.

Hay hay hay · Jun 5, 2014

How is your frame? Toyota frames were replaced due to rust.

Brad Buchanan · Jun 5, 2014

Im not all that informed about recalls but...

I looked at a couple of new GM vehicles and asked
if I could order one without a satellite system
integrated into the vehicle.

Cannot order one without. Cannot be disabled or
removed by the dealer.

Personally I will never buy a vehicle that Can be
remotely disabled on a whim (see the commercials)
by Onstar, or its sponsor the US government.

Brad

Ron-MO · Jun 5, 2014

I believe GM's issues have just been more widely publicized as of late, especially due to the highly publicized government assistance. But as others have said, the issues are not unique to GM, nor is the tax payer assistance, and it is funny how the public will flock to help a manufacturer set up a manufacturing plant in their city/state, and let's not forget many years ago when Chrysler was helped out of a bind when Lee Iacocca was at the helm. How quickly we forget.

Jiles · Jun 5, 2014

(quoted from post at 17:55:04 06/05/14) Converting a gas engine to diesel works fine when
done right. Just so happens Oldsmobile did a lousy
job of it. Many Isuzu, Nissan, and VW diesels in
cars were "converted" gas engines. So was the 6.9
and 7.3 diesel used in Ford trucks. Started as a gas
engine in a school bus.

[b:d12162662d]Many Isuzu, Nissan, and VW diesels in
cars were "converted" gas engines. So was the 6.9
and 7.3 diesel used in Ford trucks. Started as a gas
engine in a school bus.[/b:d12162662d]

Yes--but I didn't buy one of them!!

ericlb · Jun 5, 2014

another reason I keep my old trucks on the road, they just simply run, im no engineer, but anytime you try to assemble a vehicle out of components made all over the world, by people with different ways to measure, and the plans have to be interpreted into many different languages, your going to end up with major problems with the finished product, I don't own computer controlled vehicles and I will never own one with gps, I don't need the gov spying on me

Owen Aaland · Jun 5, 2014

The IH built 6.9 had its share of growing pains with head gaskets and head bolts. When the 6.9 first got into service it seemed like about once a month there would be a new service bulletin dealing up updated parts to correct some problem. They got most of the kinks worked out by the time the 7.3 came out.

ETxJohn · Jun 5, 2014

(quoted from post at 08:50:57 06/05/14) No surprise to me. I had nothing but trouble with GM cars and trucks in the past and don't want anymore of their junk.
They do make some nice models that look good and ride good but the quality control is not there !

They can't even figure out how to get two headlights to stay lit at once.

What rock did you climb out from under. Do you remember the Ford vehicles that you saw coming down the road with the lights blinking on and off, and the dealers said that their was no problem? By the way Toyato had the same problem several years ago

Robert in Md. · Jun 5, 2014

Is it true what I heard , that the GM stockholders lost their stock , when the goverment took over GM a few year ago.

T in NE · Jun 5, 2014

Onstar or the government? How about anyone with moderate hacking skills?
A couple years ago some college student sat in the passenger seat of a suburban, hacked into the ECM through the wifi connection, and drove the truck around town, using the ABS to steer it. Parked it, GM looked at it, and determined that no one had tampered with the computer.

Just last year a guy hooked an old Nintendo controller into a Toyota (Prius I think) and screwed with the computer while it was being drove. Show it was out of gas, full, made the speedometer read wrong, etc. Toyota said it was no big deal, as the guy had the car in his possession for several weeks to get to that point.

I wanted to reach through the TV screen, grab the guy, and ask if he's ever heard of an OBD2 port and cellular modem.

MarkB_MI · Jun 6, 2014

>Is it true what I heard , that the GM stockholders lost their stock , when the goverment took over GM a few year ago.

No GM stockholders "lost" their stock. Rather, it became worthless when GM declared bankruptcy. The stock would have become worthless regardless of whether or not there had been a government bailout, because in a bankruptcy stockholders get paid last (which is to say they don't paid at all).

Interesting, "Old GM" stock continued to trade for a few cents a share after the company had declared bankruptcy and its stock had been de-listed from the NYSE. I was curious to see if it was still being traded; according to the article below, OTC trading of Old GM ceased March 31, 2011.
Old GM Stock

JDemaris · Jun 6, 2014

We had a first-year 6.9 F350 in our service truck
at a Deere dealership. It never skipped a beat. A
pig on fuel but very few problems with it.

I had a 1985 F250 with a 6.9. Got rid of it with
350,000 miles and still ran perfect. Never a
single problem with it. 6.9 in a 4WD up against a
C6 trans and 4.10 axles got me 9-10 MPG most of
the time which was not exactly great mileage
though.

When the 6.9 got bored out to make it a 7.3 - it
was more prone to cylinder wall cavitation. Not
what I'd call an overall "better" engine. Just
different with a bit more power. I still have my
last-year 1994 IDI turbo-7.3.

Lyndon - AB · Jun 6, 2014

(quoted from post at 06:38:51 06/05/14) GM has recalled 15.8 million cars and trucks worldwide this year which is a record number of recalls for them in a single year, yet[b:d61e07fd8f] May sales for GM jumped 13% compared to a year earlier.

[/b:d61e07fd8f]Is this true? I have two relatives that work for two local GM dealers. They both tell me that they are worried about their jobs and the future of GM based on their dealings with disgruntled customers!

Couldn't tell you about new vehicles, but I love my 2011 1-ton GM. My GM vehicles have treated me much better than other brands. I'd buy another.

Brian Jasper co. Ia · Jun 6, 2014

I call BS on hacking into an ECM and driving a vehicle from the passenger seat. The ECM is not connected in any way to any sort of WIFI network, that and the ABS system isn"t able to steer.

jimg.allentown · Jun 6, 2014

As I have long said.......
GM is the best salesman Toyota ever had.

JML755 · Jun 7, 2014

(quoted from post at 12:43:29 06/05/14) I have not been an owner of GM products for many years. The last one I owned was a Chevy truck with the gas engine that they converted to diesel.
Wasn't that a great idea??

:lol: Yup, had a couple Oldsmobiles with the diesels myself when I worked for GM. Never lost money on them because I bought them on employee discount and sold them after a year. But the engines WERE crap.

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