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Zach Scherf · May 16, 2014

Will a 1586 be a good haying tractor? I know it has the three speed instead of four speed tranny, is that a deal breaker? I found one for a good price and haying would be its main job, round baler and discbine. It needs a little work, but it is in decent shape. Im just not sure how good a tranny that will be for baling or mowing, since im used to a three speed power shift in my white, any opinons?

jm. · May 16, 2014

Most folks would consider it too big for a hay tractor. Primary tillage with a heavy disk is where it stars.

Massey farmer · May 16, 2014

If that's all you had and didn't want to buy another tractor you could make due, if you were looking to get a haying tractor I would look for something smaller, more nimble and far better on fuel.

Massey farmer · May 16, 2014

And I'm not sure but does it have 540 pto or just 1000? You want something 540 for most hay equipment.

NY 986 · May 16, 2014

They were best as a big tractor on a small dairy farm back in the day. Pull a 5 or 6 bottom plow faster than the 110 to 130 horsepower tractor they replaced and have ample power for a 2 row forage harvester and allow a move to a 3 row without changing out the tractor. Maybe I am being hard on it because 150 plus horsepower two wheel drive tractors just do not shine around here. Today they would be a good grain cart tractor (no mud) or a 16 row planter tractor.

the tractor vet · May 16, 2014

Are you sure you will have enough horse power ????? Myself for making IDIOT CUBES a 806 is more then enough tractor on the baler now if your making 3x3-4x4 bales in hills then yea maybe . Big power on regular balers and round balers makes for extra parts . We made 4x4 rounds with a 706 gasser and got along just fine , then somebody just had to put the 1066 on it . Now i get to pull the main chain out and straighten nine bars . And we won't go into what all had to be done on the J D 336 with the 1066 up ft.

Moline_guy · May 16, 2014

Good all around tractor as far as I am concerned. Some have been switched over to dual pto's, most are small 1000 shafts. Most round balers and hydroswings are 1000 so no problem there. You have 12 speeds and as long as the ta holds in high and low they seem to be geared fine for haying. The ta increases about as much as shifting from under to over in your white in any given gear, so its a little bit more of jump, but for baling it seems to work about right. I use mine for a lot of light work and in my opinion it is cheap on fuel. Dad has a white 2-155, which is about the same size and horsepower, but seems to like its fuel whether its working or not. I don't think the 1586 is any less nimble than a 9 or 1086, corners sharp, good visibility, and quiet cab.

big jt · May 16, 2014

Will work OK if you don't have to back up every bale.

Back in the day we had a Vermeer 605 C. For it's day was a excellent baler but you had to back up every bale to have room to close the gate. In my mind any IH really didn't have it for that application due to the non synchronized shift from forward to reverse. 1586 would be way more horse than you need though. We ran ours with a 1070 Case which I thought was ideal. Straight line hand movement to shift the Powershift from forward to reverse and run the PTO lever also. The foot accelerator would be the only reason I would pick a 70 series case over a 90 or 94 series.

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NEKS · May 16, 2014

Where have I been, I thought they were a big tractor.

oldtanker · May 16, 2014

(quoted from post at 20:30:13 05/16/14) Where have I been, I thought they were a big tractor.

Not any more.

Guys around here are running 250 plus HP tractors. A 1586 is a yard/chore tractor to them.

Rick

Deere Scotty · May 17, 2014

If that's all You are doing is hay; I would think more about a 766, 966, 786, or 986. 1586 is a gas guzzler, will cost more to fix, & the bigger IH's had Torque amplifier problems. Smaller ones do also but considerably less frequently.

Allan in NE · May 17, 2014

"I don't think the 1586 is any less nimble than a 9 or 1086, corners sharp, good visibility, and quiet cab."

Yep, same tractor as far as that's concerned.

Allan

Allan in NE · May 17, 2014

Kinda hard to make a 1586 "guzzle gas". :>)

Allan

rrlund · May 17, 2014

That was my thought. A haying tractor if you're running a 16 foot discbine and a 3x4x8 square baler maybe.

Donald Lehman · May 17, 2014

Things have changed over the years, haven't they? In 1956 Pop put a 2 row chopper behind our 88 Oliver. In 1958 he bought a S-88 becuse, in his words, "The 88 did OK but was a tad shy on hp. for a 2 row". In 1963 he bought a 4020 and opined that the 4020 was probably more power than you really needed for a 2 row chopper (why, you could actually chop in 2nd gear!).

the tractor vet · May 17, 2014

Myself i like the S/MTA on the square baler best of all , but on our hills and a 18 foot wagon sometimes it can get interesting real fast so a tractor weighing three to seven thousand pounds more is way safer. I have had the 806 pawing going up a couple hills when the wagon is getting full.

notjustair · May 17, 2014

It is funny. We were "big" in our area - farmed a section. An 856 was our big field tractor and a 966 was our loader tractor. We never wanted for anything more. When we traded the 56 in on a 1086 we knew that we would only use part of the horses it made.

the tractor vet · May 17, 2014

That's a CROCK of horse Shutt

Massey farmer · May 17, 2014

His basics are correct, why use a 436 cube motor, 160 horse tractor when a tractor less than half the size will work just fine and use far less fuel. Unless hes using a big hydroswing and making large square bales he dosent need near that horsepower if hes shopping for a tractor. Although watching that big horse pull a small rake and Tedder around the field would be comical to watch.

ejr-IA · May 17, 2014

Only draw back is if you have fields far apart their road speed is slow compared to a 10 or 1486. You can put the dual speed pto in the 15.

Tx Jim · May 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 09:58:27 05/17/14) That was my thought. A haying tractor if you're running a 16 foot discbine and a 3x4x8 square baler maybe.

Amen Buddy!! I hate to operate a rd baler with a IHC 1586. But then I'd hate to operate a 1586 on any given day.

R Kroch · May 17, 2014

Remember You can always make a Big tractor do a small job But cant make a small tractor do a big job!!!!! Idle down on small jobs.

R Kroch · May 17, 2014

look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeoyKVxqrDs

T in NE · May 18, 2014

Not only is it missing a gear, but 2nd is faster than 2nd with a 4-speed.
If you've got some big hills, load the tires up, and the rear end will stay planted, especially with the factory cab. The front, not so much. The odd gearing isn't something that makes it unusable, just a little less handy. I liked it better on the 15 ft diskbine than the 1066's because the rear end stayed put, and the front swung around. The 10's rear ends would go all sorts of funny directions on you.

Wemedeeres · May 19, 2014

I agree with big jt,...it wont be bad if all you do is drive forward but grinding gears from forward to reverse will make you wish you hadn't bought it!

mkirsch · May 19, 2014

(quoted from post at 07:37:26 05/17/14) That's a CROCK of horse Shutt

If you are talking about Deere Scotty's comments, I heartily agree.

These did NOT have TA problems. They had OPERATOR problems. The TA's are fine and last fine if they are installed correctly, used correctly, and adjusted regularly.

Heck, you can get away with slacking off on the adjustments to a degree if you use it right.

A lot of people think there's a "neutral" in the middle of the TA's handle throw. They ease the lever forward and back. You should throw it forward and yank it back.

Tx Jim · May 19, 2014

(quoted from post at 10:23:58 05/19/14)

These did NOT have TA problems. They had OPERATOR problems. The TA's are fine and last fine if they are installed correctly, used correctly, and adjusted regularly.

With the long.long history of IHC TA failures there sure must of been a bunch of uneducated/poor IHC tractor operators!! :wink:

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