That was a real steep learning curve!

gwstang

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Wifey talked me into getting a 3 point post hole digger. You know how that goes, she was just begging me to get one....lol, yeah right. Anyway, I snuck one into the barn while she was off doing girly stuff. You know how that goes too..."Yeah dear, I've had that for a good long while." Rub a little dirt on it and she will never know the difference. Well, I put it together and decided to give it a shot! Went to a secluded area on the other side of the front field where the garden is and lowered it down and it bites right on in. I raised and lowered it as some have written for instructions to help the newbies at this. Well, it started getting pretty deep and the 12" auger was going to town and then it happened! It grabbed a hold of something and went all the way in! I mean to the dang gear box! :shock: I undid the pto shaft and then kept pulling upward with the lift handle to get it loose and it would not budge. The old '52 8N just did not have enough upward lift to budge it. I finally went and got the post hole diggers...the old kind that use to build "character" as your father would say... and dug way down until I had enough of a side hole to release it. Of course you know who got home about that time and she says..."What is that?" Oh crap! Busted! :? "Uh, I found it on the side of the road?" Nah, I used that one last time. Uhm, "I borrowed it", "yeah, that's right, I borrowed it"! "From who", she says. Uhhhmmmm, oh hell, just tell her the truth already. :oops:

Any way, there is a right steep learning curve on these things. If it hadn't got so dang deep, I could have used a pipe to unscrew it, but it had sank all the way to the hilt. Whatever it grabbed would not let go.
 
Could have been worse. You could have been like me and catch a root and sucked it right down to the box and started sliding the tractor around! Somebody put a grade 8 in the shear pin so it would really work. I ended up having to get a pipe wrench out and unscrew it by hand!
 

Yeah, it is supposed to have a grade 2 bolt in it. I bet that was hilarious if anyone saw that happen to you.
 

Dear Lord! If I wuz to hit one of those fiber optics line, I would just un-hitch it and leave it there and claim I did not know how that happened and it wasn't my post hole digger anyhow! That's my story and I'm a stickin' to it!
 

Funny you mention that. I wuz thinkin' at the time that just maybe I could jack the rear of the tractor up so the wheels could not touch the ground and then put the shifter into reverse to turn the pto backwards and it might back the auger up out of the hole. Maybe try that next time? You know there will be a next time sometime!
 
As real as this problem is I don't understand why no manufacturer puts a reversing gearbox on them. I would put an old three speed tranny on the drive shaft and use 1st and reverse as a reversing box.

Areo
 
The opposite problem happened to a guy I used to work with years ago. His digger hit something and wouldn't go any deeper. He then got up on top of it to give it some more weight. Next thing he saw were some little tiny wires coming up out of the ground. He shut off all the phones in town.
 
Don"t mean to be a "Debbie Downer" here but be careful with those things. A local lady was killed when getting caught in the pto not long ago. You don"t want to know the gruesome details. Just be careful.
 
Minor problem-neighbor was having some fertilizer spread today. They buried a Terragator to the frame in some water sand. I think it's gonna take something big and a long cable to get it out. Sure glad I don't have plow thru the holes it left.
 
(quoted from post at 18:41:58 04/22/14) Don"t mean to be a "Debbie Downer" here but be careful with those things. A local lady was killed when getting caught in the pto not long ago. You don"t want to know the gruesome details. Just be careful.

For Real! I had a good friend that took off his shirt (this was about 15 years ago) and showed me how bad he had gotten "wrapped up" in a PHD accident. Seems he was helping his son dig some holes on the sons farm and was using a handle to put some down pressure and guide the auger into the hole. It somehow grabbed the sleeve of his jacket and just about ripped one arm off and tore into the other rather badly. Big scars across both arms and his chest. Real nasty stuff when that thing gets a hold of someone.
 
I was digging out and old fuel tank beside the Sheriff's building (after having a wire locator go over the property) and came up with all the alarm wires in the county besides all the phone lines to the sheriff's office. Locator missed them because they were also illegally placed over the fuel tank. Cost phone co a bundle and 4 days to rewire the place.
 
Ummmm, there's nothing you can do to make the pto run
backwards on your 8N. If you want it to go backwards the
engine has to run backwards. Haven't you ever mower with
your 8N in reverse? The 'hog doesn't turn the other way.

Someone will come along and tell us that Howard made a reverser. Most folks don't have a special setup.
 
I am not a newbe at hole maken things . BUT the last time we had that PTA Danuser out of the barn we had it hooked to the 806 with a 9 incher hole maker on it . Well the first fifty some holes went well. then we found a big old root from a big old tree about thirty feet away and even though we had it on the 806 before i could smack the PTO handle to the WHOA position it had the ft. of the 806 five feet off the ground . I had the liftem power to lift the ft. end off the ground but that root had more holdem power . SOOOOooooooo the only way out of that hole was the PIPE WRENCH . That was the last time we used that hole maker . Now all hole maken is done with the skid steer and with Bel Tech rock bits and the nice thing about the one on the skid steer is that it has a REVERSE , If ya have to but the rock bits will chew up roots and spit them out and we have not found a rock that it will not munch thru , oh ya need some extra down pressure , no problem just stuff that 12x12 under the back of the skid steer and PUSH DOWN . Now ya got about 6000 lbs pushing down . Don't care how hard the dirt is ya want a hole you got a hole.Best 1750 bucks ever spent .
 
If the tire was in the air on one side, and the tractor in road gear, and the engine was off and the clutch blocked down, turning the tire backwards by hand would turn the PTO backwards. Sounds a bit tiresome. Jim
 
Friend of mine was asked years ago to put "sides" in the flights of an auger that was hooked to a truck mounted frame and used for boring "test holes". Friend told the guy it wasn"t a good idea, but the guy insisted, and after all, money is money......Anyway, the truck the ring was mounted on was brand new, as was the other truck on the job side the day the incident happened. The "incident" consisted of the auger getting down quite a few feet and then them not being able to get it pulled back out due to the sides holding/packing the dirt to the auger flights. The result was that in their trying to get it turned out, instead of the auger turning, it spun the new truck it was mounted on into the other new truck. End result was two damaged trucks and quite a few feet of auger stuck, and left in the ground.
 
You will only do that once.
I did the same thing the first time I used one in about 1977.
I've dug allot of holes since and never had that happen again.
Live and learn.
 
Back in about 2000, we had 2 Terragators stuck side by side, along with my Rogator. A long cable on a winch truck, anchored to a late model D4. Wasn't pretty, and cost a bunch of money.
 
Yep, I've sunk them pretty deep myself, and at least once to the gearbox because grabbed a big root or something, and got them back out, luckily. Have learned to watch close, if it grabs, get on the clutch fast. But, here's an idea. By the time your 12" auger wobbles its way down, it generally augers at least 16", maybe bigger. So, get yourself a 9" bit for less than $100, or about that, and by the time it wobbles its way down, will auger a hole about 12" in diameter, and that 8N will have an easier time with it. Just a thought.

Good luck.

Mark
 

That's a great idea. I only need the 12" for her flower holes when she wants to plant more chicken food...erruuhhh, I mean flowers. 9" it shall be.
 
I will never use my PHD on my 800 Ford again. Hydraulics stink. The DB 990 has great lift power and quick hyd. It's my choice, but I never go more than 4-6" without pulling her up. A little slow but beats trying to back it out.

A skid steer PHD would be a great tool, but I'd prefer a driver!
 
(quoted from post at 13:17:26 04/25/14) A skid steer PHD would be a great tool, but I'd prefer a driver!

All my posts were driven, hired a friend of the family who is a fence and barn contractor to do many feet of fence over the years. Not worth the hassle and the equipment expense for the little use I would give it.
 
(quoted from post at 19:28:38 04/22/14) Ummmm, there's nothing you can do to make the pto run
backwards on your 8N. If you want it to go backwards the
engine has to run backwards. Haven't you ever mower with
your 8N in reverse? The 'hog doesn't turn the other way.

Sure you can.

If you jack the rear wheels off the ground, put it in reverse, and roll the wheels FORWARD, the PTO will turn backwards!

You can also achieve the same thing by putting it in 1st and rolling the wheels BACKWARD.

Dad did that to unwrap the long hay pen manure that wrapped up on a Knight spreader he was trying out. Pulled the tractor up on the hill, put the PTO in gear, and let it roll backwards down the hill.
 

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