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Jeep Liberty diesel

I'm betting you get better mileage from a Honda CRV plus more room and far better reliability.
 
Why would Fiat put an undersized transmission behind their V6 diesel?
How are you going to save fuel money with a Tier IV EPA diesel operating as a light highway vehicle . While burning fuel 20% more expensive than gasoline.
 
dont have one myself but one of my friends does he's had it about 2 years i think, [ his gasser looks just like it] he likes it and has had no issues even when he leaves for the winter and his kids drive it around , there kind of hard of vehicles, i drove it a couple times, it runs out good , but this isnt any dodge cummins, so i wouldnt be too worryied about the transmission
 
Why would Fiat put an undersized transmission behind their V6 diesel?

Same reason GM put that worthless 200 metric behind their 5.7 diesel back in the day I guess. With a 350 turbo,those would have been a good car.
 
I have owned a Liberty Diesel since 2006. Nice vehicle, 2.8 l. Mercedes diesel. No problems with it in 125,000 kms. 38 mpg (imperial) on the highway. From what I hear it gets about 10 mpg more than a gas Liberty.
 
that could well be true.

I know folks that have liberty diesels and won"t get rid of them.

I never thought the "rated fuel econ" was enough better to make them worth the extra $. If they had offered them in a plain jane with stick shift and 2wd so you didn"t have all the goodies weighting them down they would have had better mileage.
 
(quoted from post at 11:52:28 04/03/14) I have owned a Liberty Diesel since 2006. Nice vehicle, 2.8 l. Mercedes diesel. No problems with it in 125,000 kms. 38 mpg (imperial) on the highway. From what I hear it gets about 10 mpg more than a gas Liberty.
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38 imperial mpg is 30.4US mpg for those who have never heard tell of imperial.
Apparently the 2006 Liberty could not be had in a diesel stateside. The V6 gas shows 20mpg highway.
30.4mpg would be possible in a 4x4 Liberty only is driven a steady 55mph for the entire tank . No winter or mudder tires either.
Real world putting around mixed driving with a 2006 Liberty Liberty would be closer to 20-22mpg.
 
I'll second what Ken said about parts, dealers are not stocking parts for that Itallian diesel, two to three week delivery time on parts according to my neighbor at the dealer. FWIW
 
Please drive it BEFORE you buy it. Here in Madison county Iowa's hills, they are NOT popular. Several people have had them and called they totally gutless. The few we have taken in on trade have gone straight to an auto auction.
 
I have owned a 2006 Liberty CRD since about 2007 and put about 150000 miles on it. Bought it from a Chrysler-Jeep dealer in western VA who said they are popular in his area for their performance on the hilly roads. Mine is totally stock (except added fuel lift pump), and has very strong torque- great acceleration from a stop or from low speeds. We added an electric fuel pump in the tank (one from an 06 Dodge Cummins truck) as the factory system depends on vacuum from the high pressure lift pump to lift fuel from the tank. As they accumulate some miles, the lift is not adequate and the engine can start to lose power or be hard to start due to lack of fuel. Adding the pump in the tank fixed that issue. It averages 25 mpg combined city and highway driving- max of 27 or 28 mpg is the best we"ve seen. It has a VM Motori engine, not Fiat or Mercedes. Green Diesel Engineering sells a tune for this vehicle that people report 30-35 mpg using. Costs about $400. A good vehicle, but not recommended for someone who can"t do some diesel engine maintenance on their own.
 
Dodge put the same auto transmission behind the diesel as they used behind the 3.7 V6. The 2.8 diesel has less HP but more torque than the 3.7 gas.


What does Fiat have to do with anything? They were not involved with either company until years after Chrysler quit using the engine built by VM Motori.
 
Fiat acquired a 50% interest in Motori in 2010. They acquired GM's 50% interest in Motori in 2013. Since we are discussing engines built in 2005-2006, they are Motori engines, not Fiat.
 
Hey B&D, they are evening up that price discrepency here in Michigan real quickly. Here in central Mi there is only one to two cents diff. now. They weren't about to lower diesel so they raised gas. Both $3.79 now. Diesel down 20¢ and gas up 40¢ I'm sure the auto mfgs orchestrated this in order to sell the new diesels coming down the pike.
 
(quoted from post at 09:08:21 04/03/14) I'm betting you get better mileage from a Honda CRV plus more room and far better reliability.
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So exactly what are you saying - Buy Japanese? :?
 
Same transmission used with that little diesel is also used with 5.7 hemis making 390 pound feet of torque - so can't see how the diesel can hurt it with a max of 295 pounds of max torque.
 
Fiat didn't own them when Chrysler was using them in the Jeep. Jeep used the 2.8 in 2005 & 2006. Fiat didn't buy them until 2011.
 
Whatever the name, certain engine parts are hard to get in North America at the moment. This isn't unique, lots of other diesels are like this now.

The Scania diesel on a fire pump at a plant we work at is near impossible to get certain pieces for. Same as a number of other less common diesels.
 
The 2004-2005 diesels were built by a division of Detroit Diesel Corp. in Italy. Not Motori and not Fiat. The company that built the engines in 2005 was 51% owned by DDC Cento (Detroit Diesel of Cento, Italy)and 49% owned by Daimler-Chrysler.
 
The 3.7 gas used the 42RLE transmission. The diesel used the 545RFE transmission. Certainly more differences then just the torque converters.
 
http://www.demanddetroit.com/about/history.aspx

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori


Detroit Diesel owned Motori from 1995 until 2000, when Daimler Chrysler completed a tender offer for all outstanding shares of Detroit Diesel and acquired Motori as part of the deal. From 2003 to 2007 Penske owned a 51% share of Motori. Motori has been building engines since 1947, and is a legal entirety in Italy where the 2.8 Diesels were built starting in 2001 for non US markets. The valve cover on my 2006 2.8 has "VM Motori" in large letters cast into the top. There have been many further changes in ownership of Motori since 2000. Motori is expanding their engine market share in the US, with their diesel in the 1500 Ram pickup, and also their engines are now being used in UPS delivery trucks.
 
When will you learn diesel gets a lot better mpg
than gas. Just because you own a gas v8 nobody can
possibly get good mpg because your pos can't?
 
Bbbbbb but that's impossible even though Ive never owned one or driven one or seen one and no vehicle on earth could possibly get better mpg than a 1981 half ton with a cheby 350
 
(quoted from post at 02:36:16 04/04/14) When will you learn diesel gets a lot better mpg
than gas. Just because you own a gas v8 nobody can
possibly get good mpg because your pos can't?
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Light load or heavy load.
You fixated with mileage which is only one component of cost per mile.
Add in the higher purchase price, higher insurance, extra regular regular service costs, higher price per gallon of diesel than gasoline. Susceptibility to water that gassers don't have. Gelling fuel in winter and the cost of additives. Have you ever seen the shop bills for a set of common rail diesel injectors? Ever seen a shop bill for any emissions diesel after warranty has expired?
 
http://www.demanddetroit.com/about/history.aspx

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori


Detroit Diesel owned Motori from 1995 until 2000, when Daimler Chrysler completed a tender offer for all outstanding shares of Detroit Diesel and acquired Motori as part of the deal. From 2003 to 2007 Penske owned a 51% share of Motori. Motori has been building engines since 1947, and is a legal entirety in Italy where the 2.8 Diesels were built starting in 2001 for non US markets. The valve cover on my 2006 2.8 has "VM Motori" in large letters cast into the top. There have been many further changes in ownership of Motori since 2000. Motori is expanding their engine market share in the US, with their diesel in the 1500 Ram pickup, and also their engines are now being used in UPS delivery trucks.
 
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