Tractor DUI, stupid cop stories

redforlife

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What is with these stupid cops. 1. A farmer gets a DUI for driving his tractor. 2. 83 year old woman gets seat belt ticket driving 2 blocks to the store. 3. Guy gets arrested for hitting a dog that ran out in front of him. 4. Another guy gets DUI in a golf cart. 5. A guy gets an open container for being a passenger (driver not get a ticket at all). 6. Cop calls fire department out for a grass fire on private property that was not out of control. 7. Man gets ticket for no flags when moving a building. If you can't see the building, how the H=1L are you gonna see the flags?? Why dont they leave the good ol people alone and go after the real problems, like the meth house everyone knows about, the guy thats stealing and they know who it is, and just plain go after the real problems and let this little crap go. They just causing alot of good ol folks alot of grief and misery.
 
Here is the way it works around here. ANY minor infraction, get a ticket. Drugs, theft, major crime that does not leave a body behind, ignore it. If you can afford a car, you can afford to pay a ticket to keep your license to keep being able to get to work. Arrest a drug dealer, thief other criminal, you have to put him in jail/prison. Then he has to be housed, fed and cared for. This costs the county/state money. Short version: traffic fines = income =good for the county/state. Jailing criminals = expense = bad for the county/state.
 
Not enough info on number 3 to tell what the problem was, but the rest sound like legitimate violations. If you don't like the stupid cop, when the chips are down feel free to call upon a drunk for assistance.
 
I take what you wrote as BS.My daughter is a cop in a large town and deals with crap day in and day out.She has shared with me what her job is and it scares me what she goes though.Lets think about your comments when your house is on fire or someone breaks in your car or house,or some idiot rapes your wife or daughter.Who do you call--the cops.It is easy to bash people when you have no idea what they do.I hope you rethink your comments.They do a job and deserve our respect!!
 
(quoted from post at 22:05:07 03/26/14) What is with these stupid cops. 1. A farmer gets a DUI for driving his tractor. 2. 83 year old woman gets seat belt ticket driving 2 blocks to the store. 3. Guy gets arrested for hitting a dog that ran out in front of him. 4. Another guy gets DUI in a golf cart. 5. A guy gets an open container for being a passenger (driver not get a ticket at all). 6. Cop calls fire department out for a grass fire on private property that was not out of control. 7. Man gets ticket for no flags when moving a building. If you can't see the building, how the H=1L are you gonna see the flags?? Why dont they leave the good ol people alone and go after the real problems, like the meth house everyone knows about, the guy thats stealing and they know who it is, and just plain go after the real problems and let this little crap go. They just causing alot of good ol folks alot of grief and misery.

Which one of these was you?
 
Only an idiot could take any situation and find a way to blame people on the right.
 
Actually those on the right like the laws enforced. It seems the lefts want them enforced if they agree with them.
 
Had a similar problem with the Ingham County Sheriff's Department/Michigan State University Department of Public Safety (all DPS officers were Ingham County Sheriff's deputies). Rapes? Robbers? Car Thieves? Na too busy writing parking tickets. Heck good old MSU will even put a hold on your College career for unpaid parking tickets written after your car was stolen, or to put it anther way why bother to impound a stolen vehicle when you can still write parking tickets against it and collect the revenue? Since the driver is traveling incognito they're more apt to illegally park, hey it's not their car so there really isn't any ramifications for illegally parking to them, just the poor schmuck who used to have a car. Just no profit in solving or preventing crime, felony convictions don't stuff the coffers. Besides all those tickets and revenue look good when you want fancy shiny new things or overtime. 23 years after college I went to work with a county in Northern Wisconsin, 60% or more of the speeding tickets written in our County were written by the State Patrol, I always found it interesting that one State trooper could write more speeding tickets and moving violations than the 30 man Sheriff's department UNLESS they got a enforcement grant and had to write tickets to justify getting the grant and thus the overtime.
 
Seems like most of the situations you listed were of people breaking the law. If you break the law and get caught you'll have to pay the price. I appreciate policemen who obey every jot and tittle of the law. They fully understand that the law is not up to their own interpretation but rather that they are simply people to enforce the laws that exist.

There are laws in which I don't feel are appropriate but that doesn't change the fact that if I break them that I shouldn't expect to have to pay the price.
 
Dealing with dope cookers, meth heads and the rest of the underbelly of society can be dangerous, arresting people with something to lose for made up offenses generates revenue and is easy and safe, the law is only for the law abiding these days.
 
Oh woe is me ...the man is ALWAYS on me ...when I'm late for something I always justifiably drive fast ...I roll stop signs I blow through yellow lights ....I can't understand why the man always stood ME ....hay why can't they bother someone else just let ME speed I'm the only one who is late ....don't they know who I think I am???
 
I don't envy LEO's their job.

Our County Sheriff is an old friend of mine. I told him once over a cup of coffee that I didn't think I could handle stopping a car with blacked out windows and walk up to it not knowing if there was a looney with a shotgun inside 'cause you couldn't see through the windows.

He told me that's one of the scariest parts of the job.

I did think it was a bit overboard when an overly zealous Deputy stopped a farmer for speeding and wound up booking him into jail for carrying a concealed weapon. The alleged concealed weapon was a hunting knife in a door pocket. How many farm pickups have a hunting knife in the door pocket? Probably most of them.

I never heard any more about it, so it must have been thrown out.
 
Cop didn't write the laws, either enforce them or get another job. Stupid is when he starts to enforce the laws he likes. You abide or pay the price.
 
I know several cops. Nearly all of them are good people. Nearly all do their job as they are instructed. There are a few that flaunt their power, and a few that use poor judgement. Yes, there are bad cops.
Other than the OP's 3rd example in which there's not enough info to make an informed decision, it looks like the cops' actions were justified.

I will say that I don't agree with mandatory seat belt laws for adults, but if you get busted for not wearing a seat belt that's just part of the cost of personal freedom. If the old lady wasn't wearing a seat belt, she had the ticket coming.

IMO anyone that would defend someone operating any piece of equipment while under the influence on a public road shows the same poor judgement as the people that got the DUI's.
 
Me and another guy were talking the other day about things not making since. It went this direction. He was telling me some incidents he knew about, and I had heard about some of these from other people over the years. One of these incidents did happen to a friend, but along time ago.
 
(quoted from post at 21:30:55 03/26/14) I take what you wrote as BS.My daughter is a cop in a large town and deals with crap day in and day out.She has shared with me what her job is and it scares me what she goes though.Lets think about your comments when your house is on fire or someone breaks in your car or house,or some idiot rapes your wife or daughter.Who do you call--the cops.It is easy to bash people when you have no idea what they do.I hope you rethink your comments.They do a job and deserve our respect!!
think the reason they call the police is that since the crime will be history before that arrive, ....somebody still needs to write up the report!
 
Statistics say most accidents occur within a few blocks of home. Driving any vehicle while impaired should get a ticket. Tractors, especially are extremely dangerous to be driving while impaired. You must like to drink because 3 of your examples involve alcohol. What's with these people that think drinking and operating equipment is OK?
 
There was a drunk driver a few years ago in Indiana ran his car/truck something into a creek. Went down the road to the large farm He worked for (unemployed the next day!). Stole the 350 hp, $250,000 tractor to pull his vehicle out, & ended up running off the bridge into the creek where his vehicle was, & turned the tractor over. I assume the insurance took care of it; but if the employee had a key??? OUCH! DUI's no matter what level, need dealt with to some degree.
 
I really do agree with you, most cops are really good people doing their job and get just airratated by the stupidity of some of our citizens. There are also those that aren't so good.
Which ones do you remember? And when do you remember them? For me when the bad ones become pretty close to the majority I remember when at the voting booth.
Get a new sheriff.
 
(quoted from post at 18:05:07 03/26/14) What is with these stupid cops. 1. A farmer gets a DUI for driving his tractor. 2. 83 year old woman gets seat belt ticket driving 2 blocks to the store. 3. Guy gets arrested for hitting a dog that ran out in front of him. 4. Another guy gets DUI in a golf cart. 5. A guy gets an open container for being a passenger (driver not get a ticket at all). 6. Cop calls fire department out for a grass fire on private property that was not out of control. 7. Man gets ticket for no flags when moving a building. If you can't see the building, how the H=1L are you gonna see the flags?? Why dont they leave the good ol people alone and go after the real problems, like the meth house everyone knows about, the guy thats stealing and they know who it is, and just plain go after the real problems and let this little crap go. They just causing alot of good ol folks alot of grief and misery.

I was a State Trooper for well over 20 years, lets see just how stupid this stuff really is-

1- If the farmer was on the road operating his tractor while drunk then he IS DWI. He can kill someone just as easily with a tractor as a car.

2- Does the law apply to everyone except 83 year old women? I'm not big on these types of tickets, but the law applies to all of us. And yes, I wear my seat belt, always have. I lost my father and sister because of no seat belts.

3- What was the guy hitting the dog arrested for? Suspended license? Outstanding warrant? Speeding? Without the facts you have nothing but an agenda driven anecdote.

4- Golf cart, lawn mower, ATV, snowmobile, Gator...whats the difference? A drunk is a drunk and they don't belong on the road. See #1.

5- If the law says no open containers, as it does in my state, then he's in the wrong. Why would the driver get the ticket if he didn't have an OC?

6- If there was a burn ban in effect or other ordinance outlawing the fire, then why was the cop wrong? I hate burn bans because it cramps my style. I don't complain about people getting caught breaking the law though.

7- Really? An oversize load that requires permits, probably escort cars and maybe the power company and a police escort and you don't see why flags are required? The reason the flags and permits and escorts and everything else is required is because at some point some moron DID hit the building or whatever else was being moved. People don't always have infallible judgment, as you post proves.

Look in your local newspaper or better yet go spend a few days in your local courts and see just how many serious crimes are being prosecuted. It's staggering. True, we all know where the problems are and we'd all like the druggies and wife beaters and thieves and other trash behind bars. But there's a thing called the law that says you have to do it right to get them. You need proof, you need to have witnesses and people willing to go down on paper and testify. You also have to satisfy the bean counters that just have to know how many hours you spent looking for seat belts, and cell phones and speeders and drunks and watched school zone and checked posted properties and patrolled high risk areas and worked on community relations and how much time you spent on 50 other areas that Joe Average never even knows they are required to spend time doing. And you better have the mounds of paperwork in on time and the car spotless and the oil and tires changed and all your documents into the court on time and you'd better be getting all the essential bean counter paperwork to HQ no later than 9AM and you'd better be doing all your interviews on that case you had the other day, even though now you're on 2 weeks of midnights when all the people you need to interview are asleep.

IOW, you have no clue. A lot of what I read about or hear about makes no sense to me either, right up until I actually talk to one of the involved officers and find out the news got it all wrong or the guy telling the story is so full of bovine excrement that his eyes turned brown. In a perfect world we wouldn't need police. But people are just people and they won't do things even close to right if someone isn't watching. We have laws to keep anarchy at bay, simple as that.
 
Idiot that I worked with years ago was picked up for driving his lawn mower on the road, drunk. He was going to get more beer. Already had lost his license. Some time later, he was picked up AGAIN doing the same thing. He said he knew they would get him for public drunk if he was walking.
 
i guess im a bit torn. i think that we pay politicians to make some stupid laws that in turn cause folks to get stupid tickets. laws need to be enforced. because people are stupid ( in general ) folks bend laws all day long every day ( me included ) and don't complain until they get busted. the last ticket i got i was going 80 in a 65 zone, but everyone was doing 80, i was just going with the flow and some how i got singled out. possibly cause i was in the newest, shiniest pickup it the area at the moment ( but i see clunkers getting tickets just the same all the time ) enter my friend and neighbor. this guy is one of the best persons you'd ever meet in your life. there has been a few times when i needed help and he dropped what he was doing and came running to help (luckily there are a few of us left like that out here in the country )
he's a CHP, he likes to tell every one how he loves to give tickets. he's a Sargent now and mostly drives a desk, thank god :)
 
Ya sure red druggi just sentenced to 10 years pulled 2 pistols in court, ran to our local elementary school, tried to get in. Thank goodness the cops alerted the school and it was locked up before he got there. Ya You bet they don't arrest drug dealers. Get your head out of your A-- and figure out life. Ride in one of their cars with them IF you dare, somehow I don't think you will.
 
I think you need to spend a little time riding along with your local law enforcement to see the damage and lives that are destroyed from drunk driving. Better yet ride with the first responder EMTs. When your wife or child gets ran over by a 40,000 lb tractor with a drunk driver I assume you are OK with this by the nature of your post??
Rick
 
Law enforcement men and women deal with so much crap every day!
How we still get people to put their life on the line, I'm not sure!
Here is a small thank you, from one person who appreciates what our law enforcement officers do!
Thank you!
Brian
 
I'm all for what people do in the privacy of their own homes is their business. But when people become a public nuisance or a hazard to others it becomes time to stop. Most people are not malicious, just thoughtless. In my encounters with the law I have to admit I deserved the tickets that I received and a lot more was overlooked. I suspect there is a lot more to most of these stories as well.

As for stupid cop stories, my favorite is watching a young county deputy chase a neighbor for a half mile for running a stop sigh with a corn picker. There was no traffic and over a quarter mile of visibility in all four directions. Technically the deputy was correct, but the siren and all those flashing lights on the squad car and the picker created quite a spectacle that otherwise calm quiet evening. Even the cattle watched what was going on.
 
I don't have a problem with the cops, just the court system. My 40 yr old unemployed, homeless daughter was recently sentenced to 16 days in jail for failure to pay child support. Her report date is Apr 1st. Even the childs father talked to the DA and said sending her to jail would do no good except cost the taxpayer money. She is not much of a person but she does love her 9 yr old son. Tough love does not help a person after so many years.If she fails to show up for her jail time then they have made another criminal and have just created more business for themselves.
 
Retired Farmer,

I applaud you for never meeting an intelligent cop! That must mean you have lead a clean life on the farm!

I grew up working on my Uncle and Grandpa on their farm. I learned a lot of good lessons that have helped me during the past 20 years being in law enforcement. Bailing hay, castrating pigs, building fence, and shoveling manure taught me how to work hard. My Grandpa was my Hero, and I listened to everything he said, and paid attention to everything he did. He always said "if your not going to do something right don't do it at all". And "if you start something you better finish it". Also "if you can't say something nice then maybe it's not worth saying".

Seems like a lot of people like to criticize people in law enforcement for doing what they were hired to do. When I go to work I figure I am getting paid to do a job, so I'm gonna do the best i know how to do. I enforce the law. I don't agree with, or enjoy enforcing certain laws but it is the job I get paid to do. I apply common sense when appropriate and use discretion when I can. Some people think traffic tickets are a waste of time, but more people die on the roads every year then are shot, raped, and robbed. But usually nobody cares about that unless it effects them.

Again I applaud you for being a retired farmer. Farming is a hard life, and the some hardest working people I have ever met are farmers. Every occupation might have a few bad eggs, but i know the cops I work with are good people with good intentions, and are intelligent too. Again it's good you must not have met any of them in your life. Keep living clean!
 
These 'stupid cops' have to respond to accidents where the victims are screaming in pain from their injuries. They see mothers crying for their severely injured or lifeless children. They see dismembered bodies. I'm sure Bret 4207, like a war veteran has been there and done that and wants to forget what he saw. I couldn't do their job. Jim
 
Well said!!

I've never been a law officer, but I have many friends who are. And you're right on about all the additional areas to cope with that the public never sees.

A few years ago, by chance I had dinner in a truck stop with a Nebraska State Trooper I knew. During the conversation, he said he'd just been informed that he'd put too many miles on his patrol car the previous month. He was told he needed to spend more time sitting and observing traffic.

He said, "Just watch. This month I'll put fewer miles on the car and they'll accuse me of sitting in coffee shops all day".

Every job has internal issues outsiders never see.

Also, see my other post about darkened windows.
 
I got pulled over on a bicycle once. I was way over the limit which I had planned to be and why I was on the bike to begin with. Turns out that if you are on a public road, you can be cited. They were nice enough to let me walk the bike across the fields and avoid the ticket. Other officers in this same unit would ask servicemen to come out of their rooms and into the parking lot and then search them for keys. If you had your keys on you, you were arrested.

Aaron
 
The police may enforce some of the Nanny State laws, but they certainly aren't the cause. The blame for that falls on elected officials and those they appoint.

None of us like the cops that have a Barney Fife complex. Often, their fellow officers down care much for them either.
 
I was a State Trooper for well over 20 years, lets see just how stupid this stuff really is-

1- If the farmer was on the road operating his tractor while drunk then he IS DWI. He can kill someone just as easily with a tractor as a car.

2- Does the law apply to everyone except 83 year old women? I'm not big on these types of tickets, but the law applies to all of us. And yes, I wear my seat belt, always have. I lost my father and sister because of no seat belts.

3- What was the guy hitting the dog arrested for? Suspended license? Outstanding warrant? Speeding? Without the facts you have nothing but an agenda driven anecdote.

4- Golf cart, lawn mower, ATV, snowmobile, Gator...whats the difference? A drunk is a drunk and they don't belong on the road. See #1.

5- If the law says no open containers, as it does in my state, then he's in the wrong. Why would the driver get the ticket if he didn't have an OC?

6- If there was a burn ban in effect or other ordinance outlawing the fire, then why was the cop wrong? I hate burn bans because it cramps my style. I don't complain about people getting caught breaking the law though.

7- Really? An oversize load that requires permits, probably escort cars and maybe the power company and a police escort and you don't see why flags are required? The reason the flags and permits and escorts and everything else is required is because at some point some moron DID hit the building or whatever else was being moved. People don't always have infallible judgment, as you post proves.

Best response right here.

Every single person in jail or who has got a ticket is innocent, just ask them.
 
1. You should not be driving a tractor while drunk; if not for your own saftey, for others.

2. 83 year old woman could get in an accident in those two blocks and then the cop has to perform CPR on her due to her injuries from not wearing the seat belt, or he has to deliver the death message to her husband, or the taxpayers have to pay for her emergency room visit because she has no insurance.

3. Maybe the guy that hit the dog was speeding, making it his fault, maybe the dog hitter was drunk or had a warrant out for his arrest, maybe he was in a dispute with someone and deliberatly ran over the dog, maybe he fled the scene and was arrested for faulure to leave information at the scene of an accident.

4. One should not drive golf carts drunk for the obvious saftey reasons.

5. Groups of people out drinking and driving often get into trouble.

6. Maybe the fire situation was extreme, maybe the fire was not attended, maybe it was a no burning area.

7. The flags may be required because somone actually did hit a moving building.

8. Maybe you should be more introspecitve before you open your mouth.
 
they call them gov employees for a reason and it aint sanity it means the badge is the biggest part of their body which causes them great sorrow
 
(quoted from post at 18:14:13 03/27/14) they call them gov employees for a reason and it aint sanity it means the badge is the biggest part of their body which causes them great sorrow

yore gonna havta splane thatun it done make no sinse
 

Boy someone don't like cops. Too bad. If you look at most departments they are broken down into traffic and crimes for small departments. Larger ones may have a drug task force, homicide division and so on. A cop assigned to traffic is going to do that unless he stumbles into something. Like a DUI, warrant, ECT. In fact about the only time they are not doing traffic is if they are called on to back another officer up. Traffic is what they were assigned to do. Now think about it. What would the roads be like if the only time you saw a cop was when they were responding to an accident? Everyone would be speeding and running stop signs. Accidents would go up along with deaths. Then you would be on here crying about the cops not doing their jobs.

I saw an old drunk get a DUI on a riding mower. He'd lost his license for multiple DUIs and just couldn't stand the idea of walking 4 blocks to the local VFW bar. I thought then as I do know. It was funny! He got what he had coming to him.

As to your list, how was the cop to know that woman was only going 2 blocks. She deserved the ticket. So did the guys on the tractor and golf car. We have a small local town here and people drive their carts to the bar thinking they can't get a DUI. OH well! I'll go with some of the others here, what did the guy who hit the dog have going on? Warrant? DUI? Deliberate act? The only unjustified ticket I've seen in years was a kid in town who pulled into the DQ parking lot, took off his seat belt, then thought he's better put in gas before he blew his money at DQ. So going directly from one parking lot to another without going onto a street pulled up to a C store gas pump where the cop pulled in and wrote him a ticket. Kid fought it and won and the cop is long gone and was last reported working as a carpenter.

Rick
 
2. 83 year old woman could get in an accident in those two blocks and then the cop has to perform CPR on her due to her injuries from not wearing the seat belt, or he has to deliver the death message to her husband, or the taxpayers have to pay for her emergency room visit because she has no insurance.

While I agree that if the old gal wasn't wearing a seat belt she had a ticket coming, but there's a lot of supposition in your remarks. What if the cop had to perform CPR, what if she died, what if she had to go to the ER, what if she didn't have insurance?

Ok, What if the old gal didn't get into an accident? What if she did get into an accident but didn't get hurt? What if she did get hurt but the other driver was at fault and he did have insurance? What if she did have insurance?

While it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the cop was right, the seat belt laws are just more Nanny State bull excrement. Try as they may, the almighty government can't protect everyone from everything. Personal responsibility is where it's at.
 
At least no one made the jump from "I see no reason any government agency needs everyone's fingerprints on file" to "why's that, are you cooking meth?".
That reply came from a cop.

I can't think of the last time I stopped at a stop sign that wasn't in town or at the highway. Course, you can drive a couple hundred miles a day around here and only see a half dozen other people.
 
I drove up behind an other car that was waiting at an always slow to change stoplight on a deserted intersection at 1 Am on a sunday morning.
Waiting for 3 min, not a soul on the road from any direction, the guy in front of me had enough and drove trough the red light and i behind him only to get stopped a couple hundred yards down the road by a cop coming out of nowhere,..yep,,$500 fine running a red light. Just me,..the other guy kept on going.

Slam bam thank you mam.Effen moron musta had a fight with his wife,( i hope he gets never laid again in his entire miserable life :evil:)
Was 1 of only 3 tickets i received in 46 years of driving, the other 2 were seatbelt violations.

Went to court for it,..got no pity there either,..pay the bill.:roll:

I HATE cops
 

Don't pay to get in a hurry does it? If you had waited for the light to change you would still have your 500 bucks in your pocket plus you could have done something useful with the time you wasted going to court. I have zero sympathy.
 
(quoted from post at 22:42:30 03/27/14) I drove up behind an other car that was waiting at an always slow to change stoplight on a deserted intersection at 1 Am on a sunday morning.
Waiting for 3 min, not a soul on the road from any direction, the guy in front of me had enough and drove trough the red light and i behind him only to get stopped a couple hundred yards down the road by a cop coming out of nowhere,..yep,,$500 fine running a red light. Just me,..the other guy kept on going.

Slam bam thank you mam.Effen moron musta had a fight with his wife,( i hope he gets never laid again in his entire miserable life :evil:)
Was 1 of only 3 tickets i received in 46 years of driving, the other 2 were seatbelt violations.

Went to court for it,..got no pity there either,..pay the bill.:roll:

I HATE cops

Wow, you ran a light and got caught and it's the cops fault? A little cognitive disconnect in play here.

I HATE people who won't take responsibility for their actions. :lol:
 
(quoted from post at 16:59:05 03/27/14)
2. 83 year old woman could get in an accident in those two blocks and then the cop has to perform CPR on her due to her injuries from not wearing the seat belt, or he has to deliver the death message to her husband, or the taxpayers have to pay for her emergency room visit because she has no insurance.

While I agree that if the old gal wasn't wearing a seat belt she had a ticket coming, but there's a lot of supposition in your remarks. What if the cop had to perform CPR, what if she died, what if she had to go to the ER, what if she didn't have insurance?

Ok, What if the old gal didn't get into an accident? What if she did get into an accident but didn't get hurt? What if she did get hurt but the other driver was at fault and he did have insurance? What if she did have insurance?

While it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the cop was right, the seat belt laws are just more Nanny State bull excrement. Try as they may, the almighty government can't protect everyone from everything. Personal responsibility is where it's at.

I'm not a big seat belt ticket guy, but as I said I lost my father and little sister both in separate accidents 2 years apart that they would have walked away from if they'd been wearing belts. More to the point, fact is w/o a belt you are more likely to get hurt- period. That part is fact. Every time someone gets hurt the insurance co pays for the injury, all our rates creep up. That's why my insurance is running over $4K a year on 5 vehicles and 4 drivers. I'm sure others here have even higher rates with fewer vehicles and less drivers.

Go and watch a few families when you tell them Junior or Sissy or Pop is dead because they didn't bother putting a belt on for that quick trip to the store. Or be like me and live with the memory of your mother retreating into a shell for years and emerging a changed and unrecognizable person when she finally came out years later. Is putting on a belt really such a big thing?

If you want some really good memories, roll up to a few accidents where someones kid ate the windshield because Mom or Dad didn't insist on the seat belt. Fun, fun, fun...
 
(quoted from post at 03:52:44 03/28/14)
(quoted from post at 22:42:30 03/27/14) I drove up behind an other car that was waiting at an always slow to change stoplight on a deserted intersection at 1 Am on a sunday morning.
Waiting for 3 min, not a soul on the road from any direction, the guy in front of me had enough and drove trough the red light and i behind him only to get stopped a couple hundred yards down the road by a cop coming out of nowhere,..yep,,$500 fine running a red light. Just me,..the other guy kept on going.

Slam bam thank you mam.Effen moron musta had a fight with his wife,( i hope he gets never laid again in his entire miserable life :evil:)
Was 1 of only 3 tickets i received in 46 years of driving, the other 2 were seatbelt violations.

Went to court for it,..got no pity there either,..pay the bill.:roll:

I HATE cops

Wow, you ran a light and got caught and it's the cops fault? A little cognitive disconnect in play here.

I HATE people who won't take responsibility for their actions. :lol:

Come-on Brett, you don't really hate the people, you hate what they do.
 
rick kr:

AGREED!

I lost my ENTIRE first family - Wife & Children - to a drunk driver, while I was at work. Didn't find out about it until 5 hours afterwards. The drunk that MURDERED - YES, MURDERED - my family had an arrest record longer than my arm, and was currently awaiting sentencing on a FELONY HIT & RUN Injury Accident. The Court had already PULLED his drivers licence, and yet he went out and got DRUNK, got behind the wheel of his pickup & proceeded to drive in a high speed & reckless manner down a major boulevard with total disregard for his own safety or the safety of anyone else, and RAN A RED LIGHT, T-boning the right side of the car in which my family were PASSENGERS - instantly KILLING MY FAMILY. The woman who was driving had to be cut from the wreckage by the Fire Department and was in a COMA for over a month.

Even as I write this now 49 years later, I have tears streaming down my face. I never got the chance to say goodbye to my Wife & Children before they died.

I HATE DRUNKS! & I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM.


DOC :>(
 
Bret: They keep telling us that 50% of all traffic deaths were not wearing their seat belts. That means that 50% of all traffic deaths [b:f842d8da82]were wearing their seat belts[/b:f842d8da82].......

Rick
 
I'm not a big seat belt ticket guy, but as I said I lost my father and little sister both in separate accidents 2 years apart that they would have walked away from if they'd been wearing belts. More to the point, fact is w/o a belt you are more likely to get hurt- period. That part is fact. Every time someone gets hurt the insurance co pays for the injury, all our rates creep up. That's why my insurance is running over $4K a year on 5 vehicles and 4 drivers. I'm sure others here have even higher rates with fewer vehicles and less drivers.

Go and watch a few families when you tell them Junior or Sissy or Pop is dead because they didn't bother putting a belt on for that quick trip to the store. Or be like me and live with the memory of your mother retreating into a shell for years and emerging a changed and unrecognizable person when she finally came out years later. Is putting on a belt really such a big thing?

If you want some really good memories, roll up to a few accidents where someones kid ate the windshield because Mom or Dad didn't insist on the seat belt. Fun, fun, fun...
I never said wearing a seat belt was a bad idea! I do think that minors should be made to wear them. Adults? That should be a personal choice. They USUALLY help save lives and USUALLY reduce injuries. I just don't believe it's the government's place to tell me I have to wear one!
As for the added insurance costs... Do you really believe that if everyone wore a seat belt that insurance rates would go down? I suspect more people use seat belts now than ever before yet insurance rates continue to go up. Remember when the government mandated 5 MPH bumpers? The insurance companies pushed for that law because of what it cost to repair cars that were in parking lot fender benders. Once they got the 5 mph bumpers insurance rates went up to cover the added cost of replacing those 5 mph bumpers when a car was involved in an accident at over 5 mph. The insurance companies will find a way to justify their rates no matter what.
If insurance rates are in fact higher because some don't wear seat belts it's just a small part of the cost of freedom.
My Dad had a part time employee that happened to be a full time cop. He was on a call and got t-boned. Upon impact his seat belt rode up off his hip and caused severe internal injuries that hospitalized him for 3 months. The police department did an in depth investigation because it was an officer involved accident and reported that in that particular case the seat belt caused more serious injuries than it likely prevented.
A driver of a semi that was making a left turn off an exit ramp onto a highway didn't see my nephew approaching from his left. He pulled out right in front of him. My nephew dove to the passenger side floor just before he went under the semi trailer. When the cop arrived and saw the car with the top sheared off he was sure the driver had been decapitated. He was relieved when my nephew walked up and said he was the driver of the car. The cop said not wearing a seat belt that day had certainly saved my nephew's life.
We've got too much government intervention in our lives already. If they want more people to wear belts they should educate them, not force them.
BTW, there are exceptions to mandatory seat belt laws. In some states people that make frequent stops are exempt. Delivery truck drivers, people that are making frequent stops while "prospecting" (making frequent sales stops).
 
(quoted from post at 22:42:30 03/27/14) I drove up behind an other car that was waiting at an always slow to change stoplight on a deserted intersection at 1 Am on a sunday morning.
Waiting for 3 min, not a soul on the road from any direction, the guy in front of me had enough and drove trough the red light and i behind him only to get stopped a couple hundred yards down the road by a cop coming out of nowhere,..yep,,$500 fine running a red light. Just me,..the other guy kept on going.

Slam bam thank you mam.Effen moron musta had a fight with his wife,( i hope he gets never laid again in his entire miserable life :evil:)
Was 1 of only 3 tickets i received in 46 years of driving, the other 2 were seatbelt violations.

Went to court for it,..got no pity there either,..pay the bill.:roll:

I HATE cops

Two things going on here: 1)the cop was/is a real .... head and 2) he has the little unit in his car that in an emergency enables him to control traffic signals.
NOTE: I'm the son of a 39 year veteran of the NYSP. I don't hate cops!
 
Bret4207 must be a saint.:roll:
he would still be waiting for a red light till the cows come home if he was the only man left in the world.
 
(quoted from post at 08:20:09 03/28/14) Bret4207 must be a saint.:roll:
he would still be waiting for a red light till the cows come home if he was the only man left in the world.

Nope, but if I got nailed for running a red light I wouldn't be complaining about the cop.
 
(quoted from post at 08:07:44 03/28/14)
(quoted from post at 22:42:30 03/27/14) I drove up behind an other car that was waiting at an always slow to change stoplight on a deserted intersection at 1 Am on a sunday morning.
Waiting for 3 min, not a soul on the road from any direction, the guy in front of me had enough and drove trough the red light and i behind him only to get stopped a couple hundred yards down the road by a cop coming out of nowhere,..yep,,$500 fine running a red light. Just me,..the other guy kept on going.

Slam bam thank you mam.Effen moron musta had a fight with his wife,( i hope he gets never laid again in his entire miserable life :evil:)
Was 1 of only 3 tickets i received in 46 years of driving, the other 2 were seatbelt violations.

Went to court for it,..got no pity there either,..pay the bill.:roll:

I HATE cops

Two things going on here: 1)the cop was/is a real .... head and 2) he has the little unit in his car that in an emergency enables him to control traffic signals.
NOTE: I'm the son of a 39 year veteran of the NYSP. I don't hate cops!

The guy may have been a jerk or not, but there is no unit that controls the lights in any Troop car I ever rode in. Maybe back in your dads day, but not between 1987 and 2010.
 

You're right, none in troop cars and none on those horses he rode all over the north country either!But I've seen (not here in Malone)an officer walk up to the sealed signal control box ,do something,I couldn't tell what,and VOILA light change!
 
Not saying any of these people weren't necessarily in the right. However, the dog guy tried to stop. He left skid marks, just didnt get stopped in time (not sure what his charge was, but had to do with hitting the dog). The golf cart guy as I recall, was not on public roadway. The driver of open container guy was breath tested and found to be sober. (I thought that was suppose to be a good thing- to have a designated driver). The guy burning was not in a burning ban, it was just not recomended to burn that day. The guy moving building was in compliance with the law on everything else (signs, lights, and what have) just didn't have the flags on the building. Farmer and old lady was probly clearly in the wrong legaly. Farmer unfortunately was on public road. A country road close to home doing his chores. Not making any excuses for the guy or saying he wasn't in the wrong, just wanted to say that he wasn't headed to the bar like some suggested. Thought I would post these details because a couple post's suggested details were left out.
 
I can't think of the last time I stopped at a stop sign that wasn't in town or at the highway. Course, you can drive a couple hundred miles a day around here and only see a half dozen other people.

About fifteen years ago some a-hole ran a stop sign in the country. T-boned my brother-in-law (who didn't have a stop sign). BIL was busted up bad, real bad. Among other things, they had to remove his spleen. My SIL had a closed head injury. Her vision is still screwed up because of it. My nephew was maybe 14 at the time. He had serious injuries as well.

I guess if you can live with messing up people's lives go ahead and keep running stop signs.
 
(quoted from post at 19:52:26 03/27/14) At least no one made the jump from "I see no reason any government agency needs everyone's fingerprints on file" to "why's that, are you cooking meth?".
That reply came from a cop.

[b:371a94d4e4]I can't think of the last time I stopped at a stop sign that wasn't in town or at the highway.[/b:371a94d4e4] [b:371a94d4e4]Course, you can drive a couple hundred miles a day around here and only see a half dozen other people.[/b:371a94d4e4]
aybe If it is wide open prairie were you can see 15 miles in every direction you can get away with it.
In my area that would be a certain death one day, either yours or the other party ;)
 
(quoted from post at 11:02:27 03/28/14)
You're right, none in troop cars and none on those horses he rode all over the north country either!But I've seen (not here in Malone)an officer walk up to the sealed signal control box ,do something,I couldn't tell what,and VOILA light change!

That's different. I'm sure you've been through Ogdensburg. Every now and them the light at the 37/68 intersection would go on the fritz. Repair crew would have to come from Watertown. So one of the Troops would get the key from the barracks and manually operate the light for 3-4 hours. Lots of fun because it was usually -35 and windy when it broke.

Can I ask your dads last name? I worked with guys who started out in the old Malone Barracks. What a gorgeous building. Of course back then it was horses and reveille and Winchesters and 45's.
 
(quoted from post at 14:38:44 03/28/14) Not saying any of these people weren't necessarily in the right. However, the dog guy tried to stop. He left skid marks, just didnt get stopped in time (not sure what his charge was, but had to do with hitting the dog). The golf cart guy as I recall, was not on public roadway. The driver of open container guy was breath tested and found to be sober. (I thought that was suppose to be a good thing- to have a designated driver). The guy burning was not in a burning ban, it was just not recomended to burn that day. The guy moving building was in compliance with the law on everything else (signs, lights, and what have) just didn't have the flags on the building. Farmer and old lady was probly clearly in the wrong legaly. Farmer unfortunately was on public road. A country road close to home doing his chores. Not making any excuses for the guy or saying he wasn't in the wrong, just wanted to say that he wasn't headed to the bar like some suggested. Thought I would post these details because a couple post's suggested details were left out.

Look, maybe the charges were all bogus but you don't have half the information you need to make a judgement. You just get mad because someone got a ticket. EVERYONE gets mad when they get a ticket or arrested. I've never yet seen anyone happy they got caught. But most of your last post is based on people who WERE in the wrong or where you don;t know all the facts. That's not a very good place to start from unless you just want to further and agenda. Same thing with taking a news story that sounds outrageous and not wondering about what they got right and wrong and what they left out. Happens all the time. We never trust the news when they bad mouth something we like but we always trust the news when they trash something we don't like. That makes no sense.
 
(quoted from post at 04:58:16 03/29/14)
(quoted from post at 11:02:27 03/28/14)
You're right, none in troop cars and none on those horses he rode all over the north country either!But I've seen (not here in Malone)an officer walk up to the sealed signal control box ,do something,I couldn't tell what,and VOILA light change!

That's different. I'm sure you've been through Ogdensburg. Every now and them the light at the 37/68 intersection would go on the fritz. Repair crew would have to come from Watertown. So one of the Troops would get the key from the barracks and manually operate the light for 3-4 hours. Lots of fun because it was usually -35 and windy when it broke.

Can I ask your dads last name? I worked with guys who started out in the old Malone Barracks. What a gorgeous building. Of course back then it was horses and reveille and Winchesters and 45's.

EHVS-he is in the photo of two troopers in long coats and fur hats on horseback in the snow. As I recall his horeses name in the photo was Bell Boy. Photo has really made the rounds.He had some funny stories to tell of the old days. He enlisted in May 1930 and retired Dec.31,1969.The other gent in the picture had 43 years in.
When "B"Troop headquarters was moved to Saranac Lake,the old barracks was sold and is a professional office building now.Still appears to be well maintained.The newest station,moved into in the last 18 months is just about a mile west of the old barracks,the one you remember.
As a kid I knew many of he old timers and will tell you these were some terrific men.
After my stint in the air force,'61-'65,and I started work in the civilian world down on Long Island I'd sometimes run into a retired trooper who knew my "old man".
 
Bret 4207 you sound like a cop, but you said 'I HATE people who wont take responsibility for there actions' so are you a cop with a aditude??
 
Redforlife said what is with these stupid cops, same in my little town give a nobody some authority and this is what happinds.......cop said do you know why I pulled you over......driver said because you got C's and D's in school and none of the girls liked you.... so now you put on your uniform and badge and act like billy bad but. they just let the authority go to ther head.
 
(quoted from post at 08:03:09 03/29/14) Bret 4207 you sound like a cop, but you said 'I HATE people who wont take responsibility for there actions' so are you a cop with a aditude??

I guess you're the one that got C's and D's in school since I already outlined my past work experience and everyone else understood the sarcasm and who it was directed at. Incidentally, it's "attitude" nor "aditude", but I guess someone who got C's and D's wouldn't know that. :roll:
 
WELLLLL.....they have MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers,
But I want to start one, MAID, Mothers Against Idiot Drivers,
covers it all, n if I guys drunk n drivin fine, leave him alone.
If theres a kid textin n talkin and tunin the radio, ticket them.
I don't know, Probably just me,
at least one person laughed about the MAID acronym,
me, even if nobody else liked it, I chuckled.

I agree, I just don't understand the priorities in Law Enforcement anymore, its usually politics from above,
not the cop, shoot, illegal for us startin this year to leave your hitch on, unless trailer attached to it. Yep, gotta pull the pin and grab the tongue n ball, else your breakin the law.
My guess is some politician was at the state fair and bumped his knee on one, or his kid did, so now...go figure
 
MY postings were about minor infractions and at worse case scenerio,a misdemeanor charge. What your suggesting is injury accident/ felony or manslaughter charges. I feel sorry for your loses, but it is like comparing apples to oranges.
 
(quoted from post at 14:38:44 03/28/14) Not saying any of these people weren't necessarily in the right. However, the dog guy tried to stop. He left skid marks, just didnt get stopped in time (not sure what his charge was, but had to do with hitting the dog). The golf cart guy as I recall, was not on public roadway. The driver of open container guy was breath tested and found to be sober. (I thought that was suppose to be a good thing- to have a designated driver). The guy burning was not in a burning ban, it was just not recomended to burn that day. The guy moving building was in compliance with the law on everything else (signs, lights, and what have) just didn't have the flags on the building. Farmer and old lady was probly clearly in the wrong legaly. Farmer unfortunately was on public road. A country road close to home doing his chores. Not making any excuses for the guy or saying he wasn't in the wrong, just wanted to say that he wasn't headed to the bar like some suggested. Thought I would post these details because a couple post's suggested details were left out.

On the dog I wanna see the records on that.
Guy moving the building wasn't in compliance, that's why he got the ticket.
The golf cart? Where was it at? Public property? Show grounds? golf Course? On show grounds or a golf course the owner/manager can call the cops and have someone checked for DUI if they feel like it. They don't even have to have endangered anyone. DUI can be issued even on your own property in some states, no sympathy.
Farmer not only deserved his DUI but IMO was stupid on top of that. IMO only a moron would operate something like a tractor drunk.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 18:53:17 03/30/14) MY postings were about minor infractions and at worse case scenerio,a misdemeanor charge. What your suggesting is injury accident/ felony or manslaughter charges. I feel sorry for your loses, but it is like comparing apples to oranges.

Friend, I understand where you're coming from. But, you don't have all the info you need to make a judgement. You've got "I heard about this guy that......" Without both sides of the whole story you haven't got anything to go on. I can tell you a thousand stories of good solid common sense citizens doing something they knew was wrong, getting caught and then doing the CYA thing about the stupid cop that caught him.

It all comes back to the fact that without law we'd have anarchy, and that goes for both sides of the situation. We don't have a perfect system but it's better than the alternative.
 

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