JD No. 5 On A Farmall Super C

Bryce Frazier · Mar 20, 2014

Well, I had a thunk....

I took my Farmall Super C FH Drawbar out to the meadow, and put it infront of my JD No. 5 mower. (I actually have three...) One of my mowers has a IH bracket for attaching it to IH tractors, rather than the typical JD Clamps.

Well, the FH Drawbar fits perfectly between the attaching piece on the mower (so to clarify, the FH piece is ON TOP OF, and IN BETWEEN the other). PLUS many of the holes line up, and appear to be the same size, soooo, can I put this on the tractor? The mower has a hand lift lever, and a setup for a Hydro Cilinder, so if I locked the FH in the median position (still not sure how to do that???) then I could extend the lines, and lift/lower the mower with the FH Cylinder? What do ya think?

I assume there are a few things to wonder:

Power... 23 Hp should be more than enough right?

Attachment Angle... Will the mower be hooked at the wrong angle?

And... What else?

Has anyone ever tried such an amazing ideer before? Bryce

Karl in MD · Mar 20, 2014

I used cultivator axle clamps to put a Farmall H drawbar on a (non fast hitch)Super C to mount an Oliver 82 mower. It was hand-lift, so I didn't worry about hydraulics. It worked great for not having live PTO.

Dave H (MI) · Mar 20, 2014

Nothing unusual here. Get a manual for #5 mowers and you will see in the back of it how to hook onto several different kinds of tractors. I made a bracket to bolt onto the SMTA drawbar and used the JD quick attach arms on the mower to hook to it. They are very versatile mowers in that regard. I never ran one on a 23 hp tractor but likely plenty of power there. You can work on the angle plus the mower has adjustments. This is some very old and simple technology...not rocket science. I sold both my JD #5 mowers last Spring to a fella starting in hay. Used them for several years before moving to redder pastures.

Bryce Frazier · Mar 20, 2014

I just found this picture online, it looks like the hook up bracket I have on my mower. First picture is of the original, and the second is me "describing" where the FH Drawbar goes. Bryce

Mike M · Mar 20, 2014

As long as the mower can pivot up and down you will be fine. HP should not be an issue either as the old unstyled B's didn't have much either.

Bryce Frazier · Mar 20, 2014

Right on, that's what I thought. I have an "original" operators/hook up manual for my No. 5. It is a reprint, so it is brand new, but is an exact copy. It shows in the IH section, hook ups for H's M's A's and B's, but no C's???

I think this plan is going to work really well, I just need to figure out how too keep the FH in the raised position.... Bryce

RayP(MI) · Mar 20, 2014

Ran a ND 350 mower on a Far all 200 for several seasons. Also a no 5 on a JD B for a number of seasons. Plenty of power with both. Should not be an issue. JD designed those mowers to go on a number if tractors - not all green, with the appropriate attachment brackets. There should be adjustments enough to set mower in proper attitude for cutting. Having a manual lift is going to be a pain however. Ask how I know!

Last season I went to a DRUM MOWER, and never going back to a sickle. No 5 is a good machine for what it is, but won't hold a candle to newer machines.

DeltaRed · Mar 20, 2014

As was said.Use a solid bar.Set mower (while attached to tractor) on blocks at correct/working height.,Then remove cylinder and place a solid bar/link in its place.You can get fancy and build a 'clevis' on each end and pin it in place just like it was a cylinder.Or just take a piece of flat iron and drill a hole on each end the correct distance apart and bolt it in place.

KIP in MX · Mar 20, 2014

We cut a couple hundred acres of alfalfa and oats with a Super C and No.5 mower for years before we bought a Hesston 500 windrower. Tractor had a narrow front, so was perfect for the job. Our SC had the fixed drawbar, but if you can assure your fast hitch stays stationary, there is no reason it won't work. We hooked a cable to the mower lift arm, ran it thru a pulley mounted on the r/h axle housing up to the Touch Control lever arm, since tractor didn't have remote hydraulics to lift the sickle bar.

Bryce Frazier · Mar 20, 2014

Right O, that is how the lift works on one of my other JD No. 5's. It has the clamps for the JD Quick Attach, and a network of pulleys underneath, which then run to the rock shaft on the JD B that I have. Looks like it would work good, but I have never tried it.

Everyone has told me that once I use this No 5 I will never go back to my Ford 501 and Ferguson 30. I am not sure, I really liked the way that tractor/mower cut grass, but on the Farmall, I see a few pros:

Operator platform is higher off the ground, so I can see the things I am about to hit...

LIVE hydro, ALWAYS nice!

Wide front end might hinder maneuverability a little, but it shouldn't be all that bad, I don't usually mow in a rectangle anyway, just up and down..

All in all I think that it is going to be a good experience! Cant wait to get my FH up and working so I can actually get something done.... Bryce

James Howell · Mar 20, 2014

If your tractor has 23hp, then it will have no problem running the No. 5 sickle mower.

If you plan to use a hydraulic cylinder on your mower, then you might consider getting the two parts displayed below.

Take a look at your Operator's Manual on how to tilt the cutter bar and set the lead on the cutter bar.

Hope you enjoy using your <a href="http://youtu.be/rnH8n4KOYoU">No. 5 sickle mower</a>.

Bob · Mar 20, 2014

The parts the factory suggested are on page55-9.
5 parts

Bryce Frazier · Mar 20, 2014

I have two of each of those Hydrolic pieces, plus a hand lever with a "locked open" setting. Soooo, that should be all I need right? I think that the mower is going to hook right up, hopefully I will get the part I had to have made for my FH home soon so that I can get it put back together and try it out!

I have the exact same Early B as you in the first picture. Not sure yours has a factory seat though.

Mine is a 1947 John Deere B, it IS still early styled, full electric options, and all in all a really nice tractor!

By the way, where did you get those decals on the restored mower you have? Looks to me like the "John Deere No. 5" was perhaps painted on? I know you can buy John Deere decals, and also the other decal show on the gear box, but I am figuring that the No. 5 would have to be custom made? If I rig this mower up to work with my Super C, I am going to restore it as well as the tractor and take both of them to the fair. I think that had ought to raise a little fuss between JD and IH people! Bryce

Hotflashjr · Mar 21, 2014

My John Deere MT at 18 HP runs my No.5 no problem. Has plenty of PTO power to make the slipper clutch slip in tough conditions. The double knife at the end cutter bar made mine cut 10 times better. Email is open if you need any parts.

James Howell · Mar 21, 2014

Got the decals at <a href="http://www.kkantiquetractors.com/Products/JohnDeereDecals.aspx">K & K Antique Tractors</a>.

Bryce Frazier · Mar 21, 2014

Sure, thats what both of my C's have. Just the little drawbar bracket setup underneath the tranny. Both of them have the single lift arm on the right side of the tractor, but they are meant for plows. The C that I haven't restored has the lift arm, but it is a narrow front, so when I get it running I might try to fit the mower to it! Bryce

RayP(MI) · Mar 21, 2014

Ran a ND 350 mower on a Far all 200 for several seasons. Also a no 5 on a JD B for a number of seasons. Plenty of power with both. Should not be an issue. JD designed those mowers to go on a number if tractors - not all green, with the appropriate attachment brackets. There should be adjustments enough to set mower in proper attitude for cutting. Having a manual lift is going to be a pain however. Ask how I know!

Last season I went to a DRUM MOWER, and never going back to a sickle. No 5 is a good machine for what it is, but won't hold a candle to newer machines.

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