Where is old?

Maybe. If so, I don't blame him. If a post is deemed inappropriate, delete it. But no one needs to be slapped on the wrist like a child. Sending e-mails to forum participants is very questionable. I had it happen on another forum over a very innocent comment I made in a post. I never returned to the site and do not buy ANYTHING from their sponsors. E-mail contacts from forum hosts to participants should be a really rare, exceptional event. Rich is a knowledgeable mechanic and has a lot to offer this forum. The community doesn't need another quality contributor vanishing. Look at Tales, it is a desert compared what it used to be. Where is the good in that?
 
If he really made the comment that I heard it's very disappointing for someone who was always talking about being a veteran to be so disrespectful to our President.
 
the top of board says... tractor talk discussion.
didn't think external_link would have tractor trouble???
 
Respect has to be earned by the individual, it does not automatically come with a position! This is not a political statement, it applies to any position in any industry or business.
 
I too am a Veteran, and as ShadetreeRet has also stated, respect is, EARNED not freely given, regardless of the position a person holds. To me, I, or anyone else who served in the military, if nothing else, have even more right to critique the man who is supposed to be the Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces, not to mention the man who is supposed to be insuring that the Constitution we served to protect is honored. If he can't honor that sacred document, and all it entails, then he has no right to anyone's respect, especially a Veteran's...........
 
When you are guest, you abide by the host's rules or get the boot! He wouldn't. No loss other than entertainment, as he had no real technical content to offer, other than something he plagerized from another poster & wasn't even smart enough to not repeat wrong "information". No loss to forum here!
 
(quoted from post at 01:02:47 03/19/14) When you are guest, you abide by the host's rules or get the boot! He wouldn't. No loss other than entertainment, as he had no real technical content to offer, other than something he plagerized from another poster & wasn't even smart enough to not repeat wrong "information". No loss to forum here!

Other than this thread being a loss, that is.

Sheesh some here need to be on a political board.
 
(quoted from post at 23:52:16 03/18/14) the top of board says... tractor talk discussion.
didn't think external_link would have tractor trouble???
external_link tractor trouble? Now that is funny. A big city Lawyer with tractor trouble. Green Acres all over again.

Anyone have a manifold for a Hoyt Clagwell?
 
I'm a veteran and a 9/11 worker. I'm also a father, husband. taxpayer and farmer. If I was to heap effusive amounts of praise on external_link or any other Dem my posts would never be censored here. When Bush was in office most of the posts berating him stood until the gnashing of teeth and rending of cloth got too messy. That's the difference boys. Yes, it's someone elses house we're guests in, but that doesn't mean the host is "fair".
 
(quoted from post at 22:02:47 03/18/14) When you are guest, you abide by the host's rules or get the boot! He wouldn't. No loss other than entertainment, as he had no real technical content to offer, other than something he plagerized from another poster & wasn't even smart enough to not repeat wrong "information". No loss to forum here!

I can't comment on plagiarism, but I agree with the rest of your post.
 
Well stated, Complain about "Government" not giving him enough money to work under the table or buy and sell at auctions, tax free.
 
That's fine to say.... but some of us have to note the irony when it's ~not~ said when there's an elephant in the white house. I'd hardly be the one to argue that they show any more respect for the great document of which you speak. More likely the inverse...

Rod
 
Probably won't he (Old) would get them poofed if his undies got all bunched you when you disagreed with his posts.
 
I put this on the N board too where they asked the same question.
By the way, I don't think Old ever was so cowardly as to need to hide behind another handle or post anonymously - unlike some of the people replying to this thread.

"Old is ok.
Yes, often enough he just repeated what others had already said but a lot of times he was the only one to reply to some odd post that no one else could decipher or at least ask a question of the OP so others could help.
We have all had posts that never got a reply or questions that never were answered. Not fun.
He has 56,000 posts here on YT. (That's Fifty Six Thousand!!)
So even if only 25% of his replys were helpful it is still a lot of help over the years.
That's not to say that even an epic contributer like him doesn't need to follow the rules here.
But with few exceptions, these boards never gain when someone leaves."
 
That's deep. You should join a think tank somewhere. We are not talking about a disease. He just expressed himself poorly.
 
Copied and pasted from Site Comments Forum.

I just removed a post about a moderation issue and sent the person a private email.

We just discussed this issue of talking about moderation in the forums. In the past, Kim has deleted all posts talking about moderation, and I would prefer to do that in the Site Comments forum too.

Here's why. The matters related to moderation are private information between moderator enforcing terms of service, and the other person involved. The terms of service on YT are very clear and need no discussion, we have always tried to keep them very simple. But it is also not our place to talk with a third party about someone else and their side of whatever their disagreement with the terms of service might be. Based on this, there is no need to discuss moderation.
For discussing terms of service, just use the Feedback Form, it goes directly to the moderator. You will find that in the left column menu of YT home page.

Thanks,

Chris
 
We all have a right to say what's on our mind. With that RIGHT comes the responsibility to keep it within legal limits, socially acceptable limits when spoken in public, as well as within "house rules" when you're on someone else's turf.

No one has an "unalienable right" to speak words that are going to incite a riot without EXPECTING to have repercussions. If a person says something that goes beyond their capabilities to comprehend the results of their actions, they still aren't usually forgiven. No free pass just because you THINK it's alright to say certain things.

I'm reasonably certain everyone here is an adult (well...."of legal age" then) Pretending you don't understand the concept that there are limits to what you can say in public just don't fly. You all know when you're crossing a line. So don't be surprised when you cross it and you get shoved back to where you came from.

It is what it is....We ALL have to answer to someone. We don't have to LIKE it, but the rules are the rules. This isn't a human rights issue. It's as simple as it get...Saying something stupid or out of line generally results in one being told they're out of line....Acting like a 4 year old and whining about it just makes you look even MORE childish.
 
(quoted from post at 03:44:20 03/19/14) I'm a veteran and a 9/11 worker. I'm also a father, husband. taxpayer and farmer. If I was to heap effusive amounts of praise on external_link or any other Dem my posts would never be censored here. When Bush was in office most of the posts berating him stood until the gnashing of teeth and rending of cloth got too messy. That's the difference boys. Yes, it's someone elses house we're guests in, but that doesn't mean the host is "fair".

Jeeze Bret, we're gonna miss ya!
 
(quoted from post at 20:05:58 03/18/14) I guess no more first amendment. Let's hope we hang in there with the second

First amendment only applies in public settings involving the government.

This here is private property and private enterprise. What is said here is at the owner's discretion because the owner is ultimately responsible for anything that is said here.
 
(quoted from post at 06:54:26 03/19/14)
(quoted from post at 03:44:20 03/19/14) I'm a veteran and a 9/11 worker. I'm also a father, husband. taxpayer and farmer. If I was to heap effusive amounts of praise on external_link or any other Dem my posts would never be censored here. When Bush was in office most of the posts berating him stood until the gnashing of teeth and rending of cloth got too messy. That's the difference boys. Yes, it's someone elses house we're guests in, but that doesn't mean the host is "fair".

Jeeze Bret, we're gonna miss ya!

I will take responsibility for anything I write and I think I usually keep things extremely respectful. I'm also sure I mess up now and again and if I do I'm not above apologizing publicly. But I don't think my post is at all disrespectful, it's just noting the difference and that, since it's someone elses "house" that things are going to be "fair". That's life. These days a straight, conservative, Constitutionally oriented person of faith that happens to be male, bald and white is pretty much an easy target for anyone, everywhere. That's life.
 
(quoted from post at 07:36:19 03/19/14)
(quoted from post at 20:05:58 03/18/14) I guess no more first amendment. Let's hope we hang in there with the second

[b:deb678fe4b]First amendment only applies in public settings involving the government.
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This here is private property and private enterprise. What is said here is at the owner's discretion because the owner is ultimately responsible for anything that is said here.
An excellent point most people in the US never comprehend. The 1st Amendment is about POLITICAL SPEECH, not your right to say something obscene in a supermarket. The protections afforded by the 1st Amendment (the free speech parts that is) were to keep gov't from stifling it's adversaries. Of course that didn't stop guys like Woodrow Wilson from imprisoning 80K Americans during WW1 for daring to speak out against the war and Wilsons policies.

A pity things like that aren't taught in our schools...
 
Ohh we have good propaganda departments, always have even back in the founding fathers days. Those wanting to to break away from England spun all they could to support their goals and so did the other side.
With us moving off of a print medium it will be much easier to revise history
 
(quoted from post at 10:55:06 03/19/14) Ohh we have good propaganda departments, always have even back in the founding fathers days. Those wanting to to break away from England spun all they could to support their goals and so did the other side.
With us moving off of a print medium it will be much easier to revise history

Meaning what? That the 1 st Amends speech section DIDN'T specifically apply to political speech? What revisions are you speaking of?
 
(quoted from post at 07:13:20 03/20/14)
(quoted from post at 10:55:06 03/19/14) Ohh we have good propaganda departments, always have even back in the founding fathers days. Those wanting to to break away from England spun all they could to support their goals and so did the other side.
With us moving off of a print medium it will be much easier to revise history

Meaning what? That the 1 st Amends speech section DIDN'T specifically apply to political speech? What revisions are you speaking of?

Ohh say for a government to revise history to make them look better.
 
(quoted from post at 07:21:01 03/20/14)
(quoted from post at 07:13:20 03/20/14)
(quoted from post at 10:55:06 03/19/14) Ohh we have good propaganda departments, always have even back in the founding fathers days. Those wanting to to break away from England spun all they could to support their goals and so did the other side.
With us moving off of a print medium it will be much easier to revise history

Meaning what? That the 1 st Amends speech section DIDN'T specifically apply to political speech? What revisions are you speaking of?

I am not even talking about the first ammendment just propaganda in general.
 
(quoted from post at 13:42:19 03/19/14) We all have a right to say what's on our mind. With that RIGHT comes the responsibility to keep it within legal limits, socially acceptable limits when spoken in public, as well as within "house rules" when you're on someone else's turf.

No one has an "unalienable right" to speak words that are going to incite a riot without EXPECTING to have repercussions. If a person says something that goes beyond their capabilities to comprehend the results of their actions, they still aren't usually forgiven. No free pass just because you THINK it's alright to say certain things.

I'm reasonably certain everyone here is an adult (well...."of legal age" then) Pretending you don't understand the concept that there are limits to what you can say in public just don't fly. You all know when you're crossing a line. So don't be surprised when you cross it and you get shoved back to where you came from.

It is what it is....We ALL have to answer to someone. We don't have to LIKE it, but the rules are the rules. This isn't a human rights issue. It's as simple as it get...Saying something stupid or out of line generally results in one being told they're out of line....Acting like a 4 year old and whining about it just makes you look even MORE childish.
I used to be a moderator on another forum. I couldn't believe how many people didn't understand their first amendment rights had legal limits, and even more folks can't grasp the concept that when they agree to a user agreement on an internet forum they voluntarily give up some of their rights.
 

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