Roundup and Kidney problems

550Doug · Mar 17, 2014

Here is a graph illustrating a correspondence between kidney problems and Glyphosate:

The full article also connects Roundup and hard water as being very dangerous to health; full article here:

http://www.sott.net/article/275699-Dramatic-increase-in-kidney-disease-in-the-US-and-abroad-linked-to-Roundup-Glyphosate-Weedkiller

RGMartin · Mar 17, 2014

Less than 3 deaths per 100,000????

Learn to read a graph before you start spewing hate.

Ken Macfarlane · Mar 17, 2014

Correlation vs causation is very confusing for folks and lets stats be
misused all the time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/correlation-or-
causation-12012011-gfx.html

Keith Molden · Mar 17, 2014

Maybe I'm missing something for this graph, but from what I can see, I'm more likely to get hit by a truck than dieing from this. 3 deaths in 1000,000 people doesn't seem too bad to me. I really can't tell if it was the geo or the hard water. I had a friend that got killed by hard water @ a plant a few years ago (huge chunk of ice fell on him). Sorry, Keith

donjr · Mar 17, 2014

Looks to me like about a 1 in 100,000 increase in
some 20 years or more. Jeez, think they might be
keeping better records and pushing numbers with a
sharper pencil more????

Bonnan · Mar 17, 2014

Hey Ken, OP said "correspondence" whatever that means in statistics.

rrlund · Mar 17, 2014

It would be interesting to know how many people have been saved from starvation because of increased food production due to the use of glyphosate.

Goose · Mar 17, 2014

When I was a kid in the late '40's and early '50's
we controlled weeds and pests with cultivation and crop rotation. I joined the Marine Corps in 1953.

By the time I left the Corps in 1963, chemicals had taken over. No young farmer was considered up and coming, and worthy of renting land to, if he didn't regularly drench his crops in all manner of chemicals.

Is it a coincidence that 20 to 25 years ago all of those same farmers began dying of all sorts of weird cancers?

Just askin'.

jm. · Mar 17, 2014

You have to love folks like this.. Guess I will cut down this year and just plant 3900 instead of 4 thousand round up acres.. The folks spreading this crap sure don,t mined eating cheap food.

showcrop · Mar 17, 2014

Sorry guys but I don't see where Doug did anything more than put it up for discussion. I don't see any endorsement or spewing here.

davewilley · Mar 17, 2014

There is a book about that, but I don't recall the name. It's about how fertilizer and chemicals help feed the world. I believe it was written in response to Rachael Carson's book, Silent Spring.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 17, 2014

Nothing stirs the Old Dinosauers up quicker around here than Committing Truth against the
Industrial Ag Complex.If Monsanto and the USDA issued a statement that cowpiles made great sandwiches some of them would race to the pasture with a
loaf of bread and a jar of Miracle whip(LOL)

TomH in PA · Mar 17, 2014

Completely meaningless graph, actually an outright lie. Basically says both the use of Glyphosate and death due to renal failure have gone up over the past 20 years. The scales of the two have been fudged to make it look like a correlation (or correspondence).

But look at the actual numbers: Glyphosate use went up approximately 100x while deaths less than 2x. They cooked the scales of the two lines to make them look like one tracked the other.

Renal failure deaths have gone up because the population is getting older, you could draw a line to make that correlate with anything that has increased in the past 20 years.

IH2444 · Mar 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 18:35:38 03/17/14) Completely meaningless graph, actually an outright lie. Basically says both the use of Glyphosate and death due to renal failure have gone up over the past 20 years. The scales of the two have been fudged to make it look like a correlation (or correspondence).

But look at the actual numbers: Glyphosate use went up approximately 100x while deaths less than 2x. They cooked the scales of the two lines to make them look like one tracked the other.

Renal failure deaths have gone up because the population is getting older, you could draw a line to make that correlate with anything that has increased in the past 20 years.

It does say age adjusted

rrlund · Mar 17, 2014

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Inconvenient truth about GM

Aaron SEIA · Mar 17, 2014

"Saving The Planet With Pesticides and Plastic" by Dennis Avery is one of my favorites. Nearly anything that has gone up in the last 15 years could overlay with the kidney problems. Cost of pop, cigs, gas, unemployment, etc, etc, etc. Can anyone find a molecule of glyphosate in a soybean seed or kernel of corn?
AaronSEIA

TomH in PA · Mar 17, 2014

Yes, it does say that, but doesn't mention how they adjusted it.

Look at this link, down on page 9 Figure 6 you'll see the actual trend of renal failure deaths (Nephritis). You'll see that it's been pretty much flat for the past 50 years.

Even better, you'll see that increased use of Glyphosate has brought about a decrease in deaths by Heart Attack and Stroke (the #1 and 2 causes of death) - if you want to use the same correlation as OP has.
Vital Statistics

David G · Mar 17, 2014

Interesting chart, but the sample rate is so low, anything could cause this.

Thanks for posting.

Eldon (WA) · Mar 17, 2014

(quoted from post at 15:44:45 03/17/14) .
Inconvenient truth about GM

and is set to become even more important in the future if the drought trends continue in this country. We just got back from a camping tour of the southwest...the water levels of lakes is scary...Lake Mead especially. Couple that with the California/ Texas situation and Midwest drought possibilities and watch out.

Anonymous-0 · Mar 17, 2014

Check the correlation to internet usage, or satellite Tv usage, or average age of the population, or diesel pickups,or weekly trips to Walmart.....all going up. Does not mean it is causal....but could be.

IH2444 · Mar 17, 2014

How much non GM corn and beans are there in the USA?
Monsanto control it all yet?

You do realize that if GM crops cross pollenate with your non gm crop that you no longer own that crop, unless you pay monsanto money

2 Old 2 care · Mar 18, 2014

Can't find it at the moment, but I saw a chart a few days ago that compares health issues with the sales of Justin Bieber records.....Virtually the same as your "correlation"....and likely just as worthless.

Show SCIENTIFIC PROOF and I'll listen. Continue to show internet hoax trash and I'll continue to laugh at how amazingly naive some people can be.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 18, 2014

For starts we should cut out burning crops for fuel (ethanol) and then we should stop selling grain oversees to China so they can feed their Slave labor to make cheap products to ship back over here to compete with US Workers that are paying for Farm Welfare thats help financing the grain to China.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 18, 2014

I'll bet my hundred$ Prof Elliot has gotten quite a few grants$ from some large Industrial Ag Companies.As always follow the money trail.Anyway its becoming a Moot Point because more and more consumers (Customer is King like it or not)are demanding non GMO food.

2 Old 2 care · Mar 18, 2014

Wow....That's incredible....Not one, but TWO of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard all in one paragraph.

With your "plan", we could see $.50 corn in a matter of days. Why do you want to wreck the US economy so bad there Barack?

2 Old 2 care · Mar 18, 2014

Not to mention your complete fabrication of "facts"....

Traditional Farmer · Mar 18, 2014

Stupid to think corn would ever go to .50 just the opposite if the folks collecting Gov't checks got out of the corn growing business the price would most likely go up and we wouldn't have to use up water to irrigate land that corn shouldn't be grown on in the first place.Trying to so call feed the World is a loosing prosposition anyway as the US is supplying most of the money with foreign aid used to buy the grain from the US.The only people benefitting are a few grain farmers,grain brokers and a few Indusrial Ag companies the rest of us are getting screwed.

2 Old 2 care · Mar 18, 2014

It must be just awful to go through life as bitter and misinformed as you obviously are.

2 Old 2 care · Mar 19, 2014

Just as there are "quite a few" people demanding the government pays their way through life.....Just as there are quite a few people who are demanding our guns be taken away from us....I could go on and on with examples of MISINFORMED, UNEDUCATED, MISGUIDED people jumping on a bandwagon based solely upon bad information and inability to comprehend the truth, in favor of the latest conspiracy theorist (like yourself). We have what is quite possibly the WORST President in US history....elected by POPULAR VOTE....Now tell me again how just because the loudmouth anti-GMO movement is "demanding" they go away that they have the upper hand....

oldtanker · Mar 19, 2014

Question for you guys who are so quick to poo poo this and say that 3 in 100,000 isn't bad. What if one of those 3 were you son or daughter? Maybe one of your grandkids? Just asking.

The increased production isn't going to feed people, it's going to your fuel tank.

Rick

2 Old 2 care · Mar 19, 2014

Where do you get your made up fake "facts"....? Do you have an external_link speech writer feeding you information, or is he a former Al Gore speech writer?

2 Old 2 care · Mar 19, 2014

There is NO evidence that RoundUp has ANY link to kidney problems. Just some misleading, inaccurate gibberish in the form of lines drawn on a piece of paper. Literally MILLIONS of research dollars have been spent on what amounts to which hunts to find a plausible SCIENTIFIC link, with ZERO evidence found. The Anti-GMO, Anti-technology crowd is quick to make false accusations, innuendo, misinformation, lies and contrived "facts", but not so quick with FACTS that can be substantiated. All the while, you all conveniently overlook the FACT that over 90% of human illness caused by food borne pathogens is directly linked to "organic farming". Go back and play in your sandbox. When you have something OTHER THAN pure nonsense to add to the conversation, you can come back.

2 Old 2 care · Mar 19, 2014

That'd be a "witch hunt".....

mkirsch · Mar 19, 2014

In a way, glyphosphate DID cause this:

By using glyphosphate we are able to produce more cheap food.

Because we have more cheap food we eat more.

Because we eat more, we get fat.

Being fat causes extra stress on the kidneys.

Extra stress on the kidneys causes renal failure.

oldtanker · Mar 19, 2014

(quoted from post at 07:22:46 03/19/14) In a way, glyphosphate DID cause this:

By using glyphosphate we are able to produce more cheap food.

Because we have more cheap food we eat more.

Because we eat more, we get fat.

Being fat causes extra stress on the kidneys.

Extra stress on the kidneys causes renal failure.

Thing of it is that we have been producing more than enough to feed the US, sell to other nations for years. Long before roundup and GMO's. So that as a pro argument doesn't wash. What I want to see is long term independent studies, conducted by people who have no dogs in the fight, that are not funded by one side or the other. As it stands, with the long term history of the chemical companies, I don't trust them.

Rick

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