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How NOT to haul your skidloader

jon f mn

jon f mn

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Saw this just west of memphis today along I-40. Those are 3,500 lb axles. That might be why they are sagging. lol
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C'mon guys, if that were you in the cab of that white dually, you'd be OFFENDED by such insensitive comments. Where's your "GIT 'R DONE!" spirit?

The guy had a job to do, money to make, food to put on a table, clothes to put on children, roofs to put over heads... That was what he had to get it done with, and he got it done.

Clearly he was driving slowly and carefully, as you were able to easily overtake him to get that photograph without speeding.

You weren't exceeding the speed limit, right?

You weren't driving and trying to snap that picture with your phone at the same time, right?

Hello kettle, this is pot. You're black.
 
Operating weight of that machine is 7745 on a 7K GVW trailer. They are only over GVW by 40-50%. The lawyers would love it if he got in a wreck....
 
Looks like there clearing brush 1st guy pulling chipper. Wonder if he just upgraded bobcat and not trailer yet at least hes working probably small guy looks like he is trying to take it slow and easy.wonder if its a mom and pop deal and whos driving what
 
I would guess every thing is as it should be except for the larger tire on the front axle making it looked over loaded. I don't see any smoke in the pictures so it doesn't seem to be rubbing.
 
From what I can see on the white wheel, seems to be a six lug which should be a 5000-5200 axle. At least that's what mind are rated at.
 
The axles were probably like that before he loaded the skid loader.Hard telling what he hauled on there before.
 
So is that anymore unsafe than you taking the picture while your going down the road? I bet the driver of the truck and trailer are more aware of what's going on around him than the driver next to him taking pictures. Just sayin............
 
Some foreign guys used to drag a skid loader around on a trailer here. Doosan, or something like that, about the size of a 743. The trailer was a single axle racecar trailer, sitting with the wheels spread out about 10 degrees. Truck they pulled it with was a little Mitsubishi pickup.. That was an accident waiting to happen..
 
I've noticed the question asked the most often about pulling a trailer:
isn't "Is this safe?",
isn't "Is this legal?",
isn't "Could this cause an accident?",

it's "Will I get caught?"
 
What do you mean lol, there's guys on here that think the
ecoboost in the f150 will pull anything and everything
 
The pics were pulled off my dash cam. I did have to turn it some to get the second pic tho.
 
jon, you're getting beat up tonight. Everybody just needs to sit down with a beer and relax a bit.LOL Marilyn and I were driving on a two lane paralleling I40 maybe ten miles west of Memphis last Friday and the east bound traffic was down to a crawl. Never did see the reason for it. Speaking of trailers, last Sunday we were on I35 here in Iowa and suddenly the traffic slowed down to a crawl. I could see flashing lights about a half mile ahead, and when we finally got up there an older horse trailer was laying on it's side in the median with boxes of clothing and other household stuff spilling out of a hole in the roof. Someone had a bad day helping someone move for sure. Lots of scrambled goods! Jim
 
Well I,ll jump in. Not going to defend the guy but he bought the tires on the skid steer from our store. Those are Kubota turf wheels and tires. He is from west Tennessee and as far as I know has not had any trouble at the scales with that trailer, I know he runs down I 40 thru the Brownsville scales. That trailer is a little heavier than it looks , if you look it has the toung wrapped all way back to the springs. Just a hard working kid trying to make a living in the South.
 
I'd hook it to any ecoboost, there are diesels and even other gas trucks out there that will out pull a hemi, but most aren't stock, if a gas and a diesel had same gears, the cummins would get the hemi, but when the hemi is geared way lower, its a different story when there stock.
 
(quoted from post at 18:36:36 03/13/14) I'd hook it to any ecoboost, there are diesels and even other gas trucks out there that will out pull a hemi, but most aren't stock, if a gas and a diesel had same gears, the cummins would get the hemi, but when the hemi is geared way lower, its a different story when there stock.
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Hey G1355, I thought that you were going to say that if it were a dodge towing the trailer that it would be OK because the Cummins would be sucking weight off the trailer through the hitch, LOL.
 
Bobcat 7445 lbs
Grapple 1,110 lbs
Trailer 2,500 lbs
Total = 10,055 lbs.

10,000 lb GVW trailer. (5K axles)
20% tongue wt = 2000 lbs
Trailer wt = 8,055 lbs
He is OK with this setup.

7,000 lb GVW trailer (3.5K axles) Trailer is prob 500 lb lighter.
Ttl wt = 9,555 lbs
20% tongue wt= 1911 lbs
Trailer wt = 7644 lbs.
He would be overloaded by my calcs.

Also with 10 degrees of camber on those axles, the insides of those tires will get hot and possibly blow.

My two cents.
Rick
 
3500# are usually 5 bolt hubs which these appear to be. 5500# would be a 6 bolt hub. I think he could shove it a bunch further ahead on the deck and be reasonably legal but I doubt he quite made it in this pic. That said... I suspect the bent axles were a result of another overload rather than this particular instance. Where it's that close to the rating they won't deflect that much...

Rod
 
Lol no, but if he had a dodge and kept that bobcat he'd have
the best truck and skidloader in my opinion.
 
Seeing that photo was like a flashback. Some years ago, I worked for a drywall company driving one of their trucks. They bid off a bunch of equipment and materials from another company that had gone under. The owners son and myself went to pick up a load and he loaded a fork lift on a little single axle trailer that just was large enough to haul the fork lift. The axle looked like the one in your photo! He pulled that darned thing about 50 miles with a Chevy pickup and no trailer brakes. I wasn't in much better shape. The F750 that I was driving had a 16ft long bed and was loaded as high as the cab with drywall studs. They also bought a 22ft tri-axle trailer, so hooked it to my truck and loaded it also. Would have been OK except the wiring for the trailer would not match the plug on the truck! So here I am, grossly overloaded, with no trailer brakes, trying to negotiate I40 thru Winston-Salem during afternoon rush hour, slightly uncomfortable, to say the least, but the boss didn't seemed to be concerned, so what the heck, when you need a job, you do as you are told.
 
(quoted from post at 20:10:24 03/13/14) Seeing that photo was like a flashback. Some years ago, I worked for a drywall company driving one of their trucks. They bid off a bunch of equipment and materials from another company that had gone under. The owners son and myself went to pick up a load and he loaded a fork lift on a little single axle trailer that just was large enough to haul the fork lift. The axle looked like the one in your photo! He pulled that darned thing about 50 miles with a Chevy pickup and no trailer brakes. I wasn't in much better shape. The F750 that I was driving had a 16ft long bed and was loaded as high as the cab with drywall studs. They also bought a 22ft tri-axle trailer, so hooked it to my truck and loaded it also. Would have been OK except the wiring for the trailer would not match the plug on the truck! So here I am, grossly overloaded, with no trailer brakes, trying to negotiate I40 thru Winston-Salem during afternoon rush hour, slightly uncomfortable, to say the least, but the boss didn't seemed to be concerned, so what the heck, when you need a job, you do as you are told.
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Thing of it is the defense in court "I did as I was told" will only get the boss charged too when yer facing a vehicular manslaughter charge and subsequent law suits.

I don't care what you have to get done, you have no right to endanger my wife, my kids or my grandkids cause you are too cheap to have the proper equipment.

G, I'd put a 460 Ford EFI engine up against a stock modern Hemi any day with the same gearing.

Rick
 
He should have backed the skid steer on and let the truck carry more of the weight. The way he has it, the trailer axles are carrying about 90% of the weight.
 
(quoted from post at 15:42:24 03/13/14) C'mon guys, if that were you in the cab of that white dually, you'd be OFFENDED by such insensitive comments. Where's your "GIT 'R DONE!" spirit?

The guy had a job to do, money to make, food to put on a table, clothes to put on children, roofs to put over heads... That was what he had to get it done with, and he got it done.

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Oh good. Permission to do what every we want as long as nobody really gets hurt . The end justifies the means.
"Get er Done" compensates for extended stopping distances . Or a suspension or tire blowout as an overloaded component fails when hitting a pothole.
You would be fired in hours if you worked in the food, medical, aviation, chemical or nuclear industries. You would also be the first to squawk if somebody took a shortcut in those industries.
 
What's an Xbox to start off, and I'm the wuss I don't think so. Why would you wanna know my age? This isn't a dating site!
 
oldtanker,I understand what you are saying, although I'm not sure if there even was a "vehicular manslaughter" law in our state at the time. And in such a case, the boss should be held responsible also. I was confident that I could handle the load and stop at designated stops, what always worried me was the fools in four wheelers who would dart in front of my truck like it wasn't even there, and that happened whether I was loaded or empty. Shortly after this incident, however, I did refuse to pull another trailer that had a problem until they got it fixed. The warehouse manager was pi$$ed off big time, but he and I never did get along very well anyway. I told him that I didn't care if the company did pay the ticket, the charge went against MY drivers license! Never had any problems after that, but I don't believe that I would have put myself in the position that I originally mentioned again, either. Once I figured out how the company was run, I was better able to make decisions as to whether it did or did not go against my principles.
 
(quoted from post at 14:39:26 03/14/14) oldtanker,I understand what you are saying, although I'm not sure if there even was a "vehicular manslaughter" law in our state at the time. And in such a case, the boss should be held responsible also. I was confident that I could handle the load and stop at designated stops, what always worried me was the fools in four wheelers who would dart in front of my truck like it wasn't even there, and that happened whether I was loaded or empty. Shortly after this incident, however, I did refuse to pull another trailer that had a problem until they got it fixed. The warehouse manager was pi$$ed off big time, but he and I never did get along very well anyway. I told him that I didn't care if the company did pay the ticket, the charge went against MY drivers license! Never had any problems after that, but I don't believe that I would have put myself in the position that I originally mentioned

again, either. Once I figured out how the company was run, I was better able to make decisions as to whether it did or did not go against my principles.
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Once when I had my dump truck the company that I was working for was loading me with 21 yards of crusher run which weighs about 3,000 lbs a yard. This put my gross weight at around 90,000 on my triaxle. We were hauling just a short way on public road, but there were two intersections and six driveways to go past on each trip. I made about three trips then decided that I wasn't going to do it any more and told them that I was leaving. They told me to stay and they would reduce the loads. They did and never tried to load me like that again.
 
(quoted from post at 14:39:26 03/14/14) oldtanker,I understand what you are saying, although I'm not sure if there even was a "vehicular manslaughter" law in our state at the time. And in such a case, the boss should be held responsible also. I was confident that I could handle the load and stop at designated stops, what always worried me was the fools in four wheelers who would dart in front of my truck like it wasn't even there, and that happened whether I was loaded or empty. Shortly after this incident, however, I did refuse to pull another trailer that had a problem until they got it fixed. The warehouse manager was pi$$ed off big time, but he and I never did get along very well anyway. I told him that I didn't care if the company did pay the ticket, the charge went against MY drivers license! Never had any problems after that, but I don't believe that I would have put myself in the position that I originally mentioned again, either. Once I figured out how the company was run, I was better able to make decisions as to whether it did or did not go against my principles.
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Shade, just about every state I know of has some type of manslaughter charge they can nail you with for operating a vehicle in an unsafe manner. Vehicular, reckless or just plain manslaughter. Loosing a load or running over that sweet little ole lady cause you are over loaded and can't stop, DUI, speeding and any number of things can get you charged. And yea, the boss, if you were told to do it should be right there with you. MN convicted a couple in the last few years. One who lost a compressor or wood chipper cause the driver didn't use the safety chains and the other lost a paving stone that bounced up and someone in a car ate it. I think both of those drives stood alone because each had violated company policy. Still don't absolve the company from other legal action.


Hey guys leave G alone. Under that layer of smart ask is a nice guy.....I think.

Rick
 
In Pennsylvania they run tri-axle milk trucks over 80,000 all the time.

You don't want to get caught at 97,000 out of harvest season in Nebraska. That's a $1650 ticket. Got it plead down to $1200, the boss hasn't said anything at all about us only running 80,000 this winter.

Might have gotten away with it had the guy I was running with let me know the cop had turned around, I would have turned off to go to the elevator instead of the ethanol plant and probably been left alone.

We can run 94,000 during harvest but we limit it to 90-91,000, the trucks work a lot harder much over that.
 
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