Any one know how the PTO on a Long 445 works???

JD Seller · Mar 10, 2014

A friend has a Long 445. The clutch was not working. He had to shut it off to get it into any gear. I adjusted the external linkage and he now has what feels like the correct free travel an the foot clutch seems to be working.

Now we are trying to figure out how the PTO works. It would appear you have a lever to chose ground drive, neutral, and engine driven PTO. When we have it in the engine driven position it is on as long as the engine is running.

I found out that this tractor is supposed to be the same as a AC 5040. I was able to look up a AC 5040 on Agco's parts web site. It seems that the clutch should be a two stage clutch like many other tractors.

So how do you adjust the main clutch other than the external linkage??? How do you use and or adjust the PTO clutch????

I have a service manual ordered for the tractor but it will be the end of the week before it is in. I am trying to help him out now.

Steve@Advance · Mar 10, 2014

If it's like a Ferguson, there is an adjustment on the pressure plate, has to be adjusted before the engine goes back in.

But don't take my word on it! LOL

JD Seller · Mar 10, 2014

Steve That is what I am afraid is the problem with this tractor. He got it real cheap,$1000 with only 1700 hours showing.

So far we have been able to find a few parts he has needed. We got it running pretty good and now have to get everything else to work.

It has became kind of a challenge to get it going again now.

Brendon Warren · Mar 10, 2014

I bought one for 700 with really good rubber. It was stuck in low gear, I figured that out, the pins in the shifter cover were whooped. My pto works, but the hydraulics don't. I will take apeek tomorrow to see if I can figure anything out.

RodinNS · Mar 10, 2014

That's one of the old Fiat derivatives... I thought they had a separate dry plate PTO clutch. I don't think it's like a ferguson.... it's an independent PTO, but dry.
That said, I could very well be wrong. I've never seen one let alone worked on one.

Rod

Dieseltech · Mar 11, 2014

Dealer I worked for years ago sold Long also. If I remember right the clutch is a 2 stage dry type on the flywheel similar to what MF 35, 50, 65 etc used. MF had an inspection plate on the bottom that allowed the PTO release bolts to be reset if needed, not sure if Long has access like MF did. Never had one apart. Will it release with a load at all? I wonder if it may be rusted to the drive and pressure plates.

Jim in NC · Mar 11, 2014

Yes, there is an inspection plate and the pto adjustment can be made there at 3 or 4 points. When you press the clutch pedal, you should feel a second point of resistance about mid-way down. Pressing the cluth pedal all the way down releases the pto clutch. I can't tell you exactly how to make the adjustments, but I'd just move each adjustment point a little at a time to see if you can get the second feel of the pto clutch as you press the pedal. I will check my manual later when I get to the shop.

If my memory is correct, the adjustment bolts and screws are small,10 mm. The nut locks the adjustment in place. You should have about 1" of free pedal travel before the transmission clutch engages.

Mike M · Mar 11, 2014

Dad bought a
Allis 5040 brand new and I didn't like it very well. Engine smoked a lot,and the PTO was a 2 stage clutch and when engaging the pto lever with the pedal all the way down it would always grind ! Man I sure didn't like that ! Seemed to work ok once you got it in gear.

Traditional Farmer · Mar 11, 2014

First off does it have a separate lever for the PTO or does it have a 2 stage foot clutch? The lever kind can be adjusted a certain amount from the outside.The 2 stage clutch needs to be pushed
ALL the way down to be able to put the PTO lever in gear.And at best you need to idle the engine down real slow depress the clutch all the way and its still going to scrap a little when the PTO lever goes in.Also if you have something hooked to the PTO will the it stopped with the clutch fully depressed.Not the best set up but I've used several of those tractors for years with no real problem other than being aggravating to get get the PTO in.

Prawn Farmer · Mar 11, 2014

My manual says:
Power Train page 10 para. #4.
Make sure the pedal free travel, measured on the footplate, is 1-3/8" (35mm), approximately.
(This is one of the times I wish I had a 6th grader around to show me how to scan and send things.)

rrlund · Mar 11, 2014

If it's not too late to answer,if it's like my Fiat Built Oliver 1365 there's two levers. One to engage the gears,that's the one that lays horizontal in front of the seat. Then by your left knee there's a hand clutch lever.It pivots on the transmission cover. When pushed down so it's engaged,it lays flat against the top of the transmission. When it's disengaged,it pulls up pretty much against the dash. The lever is probably 18 inches long.

JD Seller · Mar 11, 2014

Well Thank You all for the help. It turns out that it does have a two stage clutch setup. I was able to adjust the PTO part from the bottom. (PIA LOL) That is working now.

The rear axles where leaking gear oil. So we pulled them out. Found that the transmission has set half full of water at some time. There is a rust ring 6-8 inches off the bottom. All the bearings are shot below that line. One of the Bull gear bearings is broke into two complete halves.

I told him it is time to think real hard about pulling the pin on this (cheap) tractor. So far I have been just helping him as a favor to a friend type of thing.

Repairing the entire transmission and rear end is not going to be free. First I really do not want to do it to start with. Two I have done little work on Longs and really do not want to educate myself on one of them either. LOL

He would be better off looking for one with a bad engine.

Any one know how the PTO on a Long 445 works???

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