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I just found this in an online newsletter.

Organic Egg Irony
There's a shortage of organic eggs across the country, and the shortfall draws attention to an ironic and spectacularly silly phenomenon. National Public Radio's food blog, The Salt, reports that demand for organic eggs is rising at the same time supply dwindles. The supply problem can be traced to the fact that America's farmers don't produce enough organic corn and soybeans to feed our organic chicken flock. Therefore, organic egg producers are forced to import organic corn and soybeans from places like China, India and Argentina. That's right, the U.S. exports soybeans to China, and they ship us organic soybeans so we can claim sustainability and save the planet by eating expensive organic eggs. You can't make this stuff up!
 
And the rest of the story , we send soybeans and corn over there they stamp/certify they're organic mark up the price and send it back to us. Any wonder why they don't respect us?
 
there are no preciously written organic standards in the us, do you really believe there are in 3rd. world countries? organic in china, india and argentina simply means-they have a bowel movement along side the plants.
 
Yup and the water the chickens drink is probably city water chlorine treated and fluoride to boot!

Vito
 
(quoted from post at 21:30:38 03/03/14) I just found this in an online newsletter.

Organic Egg Irony
There's a shortage of organic eggs across the country, and the shortfall draws attention to an ironic and spectacularly silly phenomenon. National Public Radio's food blog, The Salt, reports that demand for organic eggs is rising at the same time supply dwindles. The supply problem can be traced to the fact that America's farmers don't produce enough organic corn and soybeans to feed our organic chicken flock. Therefore, organic egg producers are forced to import organic corn and soybeans from places like China, India and Argentina. That's right, the U.S. exports soybeans to China, and they ship us organic soybeans so we can claim sustainability and save the planet by eating expensive organic eggs. You can't make this stuff up!
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I think you mean they import non genetically modified corn, beans, etc.
 
Here in the area I live,(southern Idaho) there is an organic dairy which raises all it's organic feed for their cows. I have figured out the difference between organic feed for organic milk and regular feed and milk that we all know is unhealthy and will kill us someday. The difference with this dairy and farm is they do their fertilizing and spraying at night. Never see much done during the day but tractor lights all night. That's the difference.
 
My inlaws market their crops under the 'organic' label. I contend it is only a label. Anyways they spray 2 to 4 times as much as I do with 'organic chemicals'. As far as I'm concerned a chemical is a chemical whether labeled as organic or not but who knows I'm often wrong...
 
I've been going to local farmers markets and none are marketing "organic" Seems the certification is too hard to get. We only see "organic" in the grocery store.

They market "pastured, free range, non gmo fed" etc. They charge and get $5-7.00 a dozen for brown, green, and blue eggs. The guy that charges $7. has 200 hens and sells out every week.
 
interesting story. I believe the only way to know exactly what is in your food, is to literally raise it yourself. I get the gist of organic food suppose to be better for ya. I just think its a little funny that organic consumers pay extra and still really don't have any idea what's in the food. Dont get me wrong, I think some organic farmers are the real deal, but some cut corners and there is no way to really know the difference. I know some people who raise and sell organic meat. Far as I know, there are no regulations to follow, no farm inspections. The meat is USDA inspected, but just by a typical meat inspecter. How's the consumer really suppose to know what all they are doing. I guess it's just the good old honor system. Take their word for it.
 
When are US farmers gonna learn The Customer is King?The folks spending the $$$ call the shots. If there is a shortage of organic eggs costing 3X as much as Industrially produced eggs that ought to be telling you fellows something.
If there is demand someone will fill it at some price thats the way Capitalism works.And disrespecting potential customers is foolhardy at best.
 
I just could not pass on this subject and rr probably knew he would drag me out of the wood work. I am an organic grower. I have grown golden flax, blue corn, clear hylume food grade soybeans, forage, and anything else that strikes my fancy. I believe in what I am doing. I am certified which costs about a thousand dollars for that certificate. That money is used for them to come and inspect my books, seed tags and what ever they want to check for at least once a year, and surprise inspections when ever they want to appear. I have to keep my trucks and equipment clean and keep a log on that. I have to keep a 7 year long crop history, that entails from when it comes out of the organic seed bag,until it leaves the farm that includes the prepreation for storage and seed handling into the truck, of which I am the inspector for its cleanliness of which is documented by me and the carrier. So if you think organics is all smoke and mirrors I encourage you to jump in with me and make the big bucks!
 
Ya realy this organic stuff is way out of hand how are you going to do it and make any money. Nearby theres a huge shed with chickens running around their big thing is cage free so who wants a poor chicken running around in the dust and dirt laying eggs everywhere in the dirt and chicken poop. But its a big deal free range har har. They will be broke again as its been tried there before.
 
Hey Animal, I agree with you that there a lot of i s to dot and t s to cross to get your organic certification, and it is the same in many western countries.

But i do wonder on the standards in many countries, especially developing nations, i have an old university colleague working in some of the former eastern block countries, and they; re standards are way more lax than ours here.
 
You know I have wondered that myself and do not get me wrong, I am still wondering even though my certifier swears they are as strict in other countries as they are here. I lost a truck load of edible soys two years ago, because the trucker did not unroll his tarp at the wash and when they opened the tarp for my bean load their were a dozen kernals of corn on the top. That contaminated the load and my beans went from 33 dollars a bushel to 13 dollars for non gmo beans. That will ruin a good day...
 
I raise organic and have friends that are organic if the coustomer wants clean food thats what we give them its a great niche market but a lot of work and yes i know a lot of guys that sit on the fence and that will cheat anyway they can .but its a lot of work and to do a good job you have to take pride in your work.i realise that there is a lot of misinformation out there and people need to find the facts.in england animal rights were a big issue it pushed most of the pig farmers out and now the import pork who gained
 
it's amazing what consumers will pay for highly endorsed foods,not running down angus cattle,angus beef that's the best bar none/////// but once the hide is off it's the grade of carcass not the breed that's the difference,low cholesterol eggs what happened to them,organic food washed down with a diet soft drink,use to sell potatoes at a farmers market for 12 dollars a bushel 6 for half 3 for peck,many a person would say I can't use that many and would buy them from another vendor in small containers for 2 dollars a pound not knowing that he had bought them from me by the bushel 60# plus per bushel, not that I cared just couldn't understand their math
 
Animal: Do you really think China and India "organic" is the same as yours???? I am willing to bet that they don't pay much attentions to "organic" at all over there. Just a LABEL!!!

As for the organic movement in the US. You can grow and raise organic livestock fairly easily. Growing grain crops like corn and soybeans is a whole different story. There is a real fight with weeds and weather. Most of the organic grain farmers around here grow REAL BIG weeds.
 
If it comes from overseas, I highly doubt it is anymore organic that than the corn in the field by my house. Just like tobacco, here it was regulated as to what you could use etc, overseas they have no regulations on pesticides and such.
 
I know that in MN getting certified organic isn't easy. You have to be able to prove that crop land has been free of "chemicals" for at lease a couple of years. Feed has to be self grown or purchased from another organic grower. I myself wouldn't mess with it. They can do no notice inspections anytime they want. I have friend who tried going organic. With milk prices at the time and his debt load it drove him out of farming. He was buying all his feed and he just couldn't make it. Now he's renting out his land, barn and milking parlor and working for the guy renting it, non organic.

Rick
 
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I double checked, and according to what "organic" meant when I was in school, other than the shell, all eggs are organic.
 
ya, that angus beef deal has pretty much been a joke for a number of years. I talked to a guy that toured a packing plant and he pretty much said it goes exactly as you described. Criters are yield and graded and then put into the classification of "angus" beef if it meets criteria. Color of skin (breed) makes no difference. Grant it, alot of angus animals end up being "angus" beef, but alot of other criters un-affiliated to the angus breed end up in that same packaging with that little "angus" label right on there. Consumers are just getting the wrong idea that that little sticker guarentees it to be angus, when actually it should be a different word that says the meat is above a certian grade.
 
In 1900 the average life expectancy in the US was 44 years. Everything was natural, organic. Now, well over 70. Granted, many other changes, but to think organic is panacea......dream on. P.T. Barnum had it right, all the way to the bank.
 
(quoted from post at 22:16:59 03/03/14) ya, that angus beef deal has pretty much been a joke for a number of years. I talked to a guy that toured a packing plant and he pretty much said it goes exactly as you described. Criters are yield and graded and then put into the classification of "angus" beef if it meets criteria. Color of skin (breed) makes no difference. Grant it, alot of angus animals end up being "angus" beef, but alot of other criters un-affiliated to the angus breed end up in that same packaging with that little "angus" label right on there. Consumers are just getting the wrong idea that that little sticker guarentees it to be angus, when actually it should be a different word that says the meat is above a certian grade.
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Angus beef just sounds good....until you take out the g :oops:
 
In wisc im not sure how it works but egg shells even if its from non organic eggs are ok to use as a source for lime. we have a egg plant that ships eggs in tankers near us they have huge piles of shells
 
WHAT!??? Eggs come from "live" chickens, that makes them organic. They're not inorganic CERAMIC eggs.
 
I produce organic eggs.

I put commercial chicken feed in the front, and the eggs come out of that organ in the back.

Mine ARE free range tho. Not because I subscribe to the PETA nonsense, but because it's cheaper (less feed) and easier (less cleaning) and they cut down on pests.

I do occasionally find a clutch of eggs outdoors somewhere, usually after introducing a new batch of hens to the flock, but normally they lay in the nesting boxes and put themselves up at sunset. All I gotta do is keep water and feed in front of them, close the door at night and open it in the morning, and collect the eggs.
 

A friend used to manage a huge organic egg farm in northern NH. They call themselves a family farm. There is no free range going on there. They have about 40 different locations across the northeast and call the whole thing with billions of hens a family of family farms. I asked him some years back about where he got his certified organic feed, and he told me that he had just bought a load and that it was coming from Australia. You can be that they are getting good pricing on all of their inputs.
 
Thats not true many other countries have far stricter laws on chemical use in agriculture and in some GMOs are outlawed altogether.You ever notice that most US ag exports go to places like China where their slave labor is starving and they'll eat anything?
 
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A friend used to manage a huge organic egg farm in northern NH. They call themselves a family farm. There is no free range going on there. They have about 40 different locations across the northeast and call the whole thing with billions of hens a family of family farms. I asked him some years back about where he got his certified organic feed, and he told me that he had just bought a load and that it was coming from Australia. You can be that they are getting good pricing on all of their inputs.
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You have different classifications. You can have free range, organic and organic free range eggs.

Here's the kicker. I can take a large commercial chicken barn and build a small pen attached to it outside where the chickens can get outside a few at a time and it classifies as free range. I can have chickens in and enclosed barn, no outside access and feed them only organic feed and they are organic. Or I can jump through hoops and be honest and do it to where no one could question the free range or organic parts. That's according to USDA, state laws may add to the requirements.

Also under USDA a cow only has to be 10% Angus for you to advertise it as Angus as a grower but once an animal hits a packing plant and is skinned they can call it whatever they want.

The actual organic and sustainable guys have been fighting for a long time to get those rules change with little success.

Rick
 
Animal just be glad for all the old Dinosauers that farm they are keeping the price high for your products.Industrial farming has to be the only industry I know of where the makers of a product are bound and determined that consumers of that product are going to buy what they want
to produce not what the consumer wants to buy.But like all things sooner or later the buyer of the products will win that battle but be happy for a great organic market while it lasts.When places like Chick-Filet stops buying chicken that was fed antibiotics like they have recently done the writing is on the wall.
 
The neighbors in pa had chickens ,just got rid of them recently because grandma has trouble with her knees,it was a long walk to the chicken houses,and as much as her grandson did a fine job of taking care of them,but she would take the long walk,so he decided they had to go for her safety.In the first picture the chicken coupe is on the right,a fence went partly around the spring fed pond,I wouldnt say the feed was organic,but he did grind his own, The chickens roamed ,ate grass and bugs,and drank from the pond most of the season,Man,,,were they good brown eggs,dark orange yolk that stood up at attention when you cracked them into the fry pan!
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(quoted from post at 06:25:39 03/04/14) The neighbors in pa had chickens ,just got rid of them recently because grandma has trouble with her knees,it was a long walk to the chicken houses,and as much as her grandson did a fine job of taking care of them,but she would take the long walk,so he decided they had to go for her safety.In the first picture the chicken coupe is on the right,a fence went partly around the spring fed pond,I wouldnt say the feed was organic,but he did grind his own, The chickens roamed ,ate grass and bugs,and drank from the pond most of the season,Man,,,were they good brown eggs,dark orange yolk that stood up at attention when you cracked them into the fry pan!
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Larry, looks like your neighbor is pretty ambitious. I can see plowing, hay on pick-up, Can't tell what is behind the big Farmall or the Ford.
 
You forgot one. Cage free. Herbruck's Poultry Ranch is about 20 miles from here. My childhood best friend maintains their feeding equipment,so I hear the stories. They provide the cage free eggs to all of the McDonalds east of the Mississippi. Those birds never see daylight. They're all in 400 foot long barns. Rows and rows and rows of 400 foot barns. They hire crews of foreigners who do nothing but walk back and forth in those barns,all day,every day,picking up eggs off the floor and pulling the ones down in to the conveyor that were layed where they were supposed to be but didn't roll down like they should have.
 
Certified Angus Beef is a GRADE of beef,like prime,choice or select. They have to meet 8 carcass quality requirements to get CAB certification. They don't have to be Angus,just black hided.
 
(quoted from post at 08:03:44 03/04/14) Certified Angus Beef is a GRADE of beef,like prime,choice or select. They have to meet 8 carcass quality requirements to get CAB certification. They don't have to be Angus,just black hided.
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When I said 10% that's talking I selling an animal directly to a person or persons who is going to take it to a shop and have it cut for them. If I advertise it on CL as Angus I have to be able to prove that it's at least 10%.

Kinda like grass fed. I only have to feed a cow grass for 30 days to be able to sell it as grass fed. Like any laws or rules there are always loop holes.

Rick
 
I really wasn't even thinking about dragging you out when I posted it Animal. If I wanted to do that I'd have posted it on UYT forum where it would have stood a better chance of staying up and would have stayed longer for sure. I just thought it was kind of comical. I've lost my tolerance for fads and extremism no matter where it comes from. I thought for sure somebody would have said something so outrageous that it would have gotten whacked by now.
 
Soooo.......with the possible exception of dairy steers,all beef would be grass fed then? The calves are raised to weaning weight on pasture while on their mothers. A good share of them are even backgrounded on grass after weaning before they go in to the feedlot for finishing.

This whole thing is just so stupid and ridiculous that it's stomach turning. I'm just dammed tired of being accused of trying to kill people with what I raise.
 
I have no real direct knowledge on this - but having worked with many manufacturing companies in China, and having a brother that lives there doing quality checks on Chinese businesses...

I have to laugh at the thought of "organic" crops coming from China!

Something tells me whoever's buying doesn't really want to dig too deeply into the reality behind their "organic" certification, as long as it's cheap and says "organic" - that's all that really counts.
 
EEEWWW...they might eat a bug! And that would be, like, YOU were eating a bug! And THAT is GROSS!

wait...where did you say those eggs come out of???
 
If they didn't intend to farm with the same technologies that we do,they wouldn't have tried to steal seed corn and send it "back home".
 
Randy, eggs ain't all of it. I just got some breasts the other day with a big sticker that said "Raised Cage Free". Well, duh, they're raised in a broiler barn that is 50' x 400' or so long, in a common flock of about 30,000 birds at a time. They come out at a uniform 4 1/2 lbs or so after going in as peeps. As just a point of interest, there are about 300,000,000 of them raised in this state yearly.

Organic and stuff like 'Egglands Best' are marketing gimmicks that idiots so far removed from ag just eat up because some other fool is making big bucks to market that stuff for premium bucks. Just like the 'California Cow' they just had on the idiot box. If some fool really believes we have milk from a cow in California here on the east coast for $4 a gallon, and in a glass bottle, instead of a cheese from the west coast, they need to be seperated from some of their money.
 
Yep. This cage free egg thing at McDonalds I'm sure has people thinking that if they go in to one in Vermont,the eggs came out of grandma's 300 bird flock a few miles down the road when the fact is,they came from a huge facility in Michigan and were picked out of the manure by a bunch of minimum wage workers from Burma. They hire the Burmese because they'll work even cheaper than workers from Mexico.
 
Lady goes into a diner & asks what the "Special of the Day" is.

Chef replies: Ma'am, we have fresh Beef Tongue with Onions.

Woman replies: EEWWW ! , I wouldn't eat anything that came out of an animals mouth! Just give me a plate of FRIED EGGS.

LOL !
 
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