Lead Batteries vs EPA??

smallercrawler · Feb 23, 2014

Post on page 2 re: "EPA proposed wood fuel ban" gives some credence to something I heard today: Stopped at 2 WW, 1 AZ, 1 TSC, 1AA to buy odd size auto battery for old tractor use. Noted that all 5 had substantially fewer batteries available than was indicated by their display/storage capacity. Asked 2 "managers" if batteries were in short supply now that last domestic primary lead producer was closed by EPA or if just seasonal levels. They both said they had heard the EPA was going to outlaw the consumer purchase of lead batteries and in the future they would only be available on a strict exchange basis through an "authorized" network, and that circumnavigating their plan would put one in violation of EPA rules ala current vehicle emissions laws. Supposedly, batteries would be serial numbered and linked to VIN and checked at inspection time. Sounds pretty far out there but then again so does banning incandescent lamps!
BTW, battery prices appeared to be about 10-12% higher than in December.

JD Seller · Feb 23, 2014

I know that Exide batteries are 100% recycled lead. They have been for years. Now how long they can still smelt the old batteries down is an issue.

I am really getting tired of the creeping communism that this government is imposing on us.

Mark - IN. · Feb 23, 2014

Actually, years back I took a class on batteries that was put on by Exide. As I recall, they explained that the reason that the lead from batteries isn't considered toxic waste, is because its sent back to smelteries where its melted down, the impurities removed, renewed lead... Anyway, because of that process, they consider lead as "leased" to you and me, because sooner or later they get it back. However, January 1 of this year, the EPA closed down the last smeltery in the U.S. Care to guess whose behind the scenes order that came from? The same mope cris-crossing the U.S. every single day telling us how he single handedly created more drilling for fuel (on private land), lowered the cost of health care, and the list goes on and on, the whole time behind the scenes he orders his cabinet (EPA) to turn off the spiqots in California creating a drought, so that he can blame it on global warming and the last president, and so on, and so on, and so on.

You guys with all of this negativety today though. Either I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight, or I am going to sleep, dreaming of loading guns and shooting at sheeps jumping the fence, but only the abundant ones.

Mark

GeneMO · Feb 23, 2014

Yep, The Doe run plant was just a 135 miles east of me.

The Environmental whackos will not be happy till we are living in holes in the ground eating grubs and worms.

Gene

Anonymous-0 · Feb 23, 2014

But the ones that call the shots get to live in mansions with dozens of chimneys..

ldj · Feb 23, 2014

(quoted from post at 20:53:48 02/23/14) Yep, The Doe run plant was just a 135 miles east of me.

The Environmental whackos will not be happy till we are living in holes in the ground eating grubs and worms.

Gene

Yea, and then another group will get them grubs and worms put on endangered species list. Then where are we left.

I think when we have rolling brown outs the folks that are crying about burning coal, drilling in Alaska and building the pipeline should be the ones to have their power cut, permanently. When they get cold or hot they would love that power from those awful fuels.

Dan T in MO · Feb 24, 2014

I'm taking my grubs and worms to the river and exchanging them for fish

T in NE · Feb 24, 2014

The environmental movement isn't about the environment, it's about control. No true envirowhacko can bring themselves to consider that someone can take care of and improve a piece of ground without government regulation telling them they have to and how to.

John Fulton · Feb 24, 2014

For those who love to rail against the EPA ( and I agree that some of their proposed regulations are absurd)) should look at the recent water pollution disasters in West Virginia and North Carolina. In both cases, had not the Federal EPA stepped in to take over their primal authority of the Clean Water Act, residents in West Virginia, North Carolina and Virginia would still be drinking polluted water and aquatic life would continue to be poisoned.

1130Leo · Feb 24, 2014

John, if the EPA was doing their job focusing on real problems instead of harassing existing industries that we actually NEED, maybe they would have had time to inspect those rusted out tanks in West Virginia, and then the water would not have been contaminated. The EPA is the problem, they have no clue and they continue to attack anything that the highest bidder tells them to.

Anonymous-0 · Feb 24, 2014

creepin communism MUST BE REVERSED,,and l I ber als should be thrown in jail or at the very least expelled from govmt

Geo-TH,In · Feb 24, 2014

The flip side is some people have illegal private land fills. I helped a person clean out one on their property. There were 30 batteries amoung the trash, two ton on metal, car tires, personal trash. It was an enviromental mess.

The snow has melted. There is trash, mostly fast food cups, beer cans, pop cans, paper bags from fast food places, lining the side of the road.

Why are people so trashy?

MarkB_MI · Feb 24, 2014

Sounds like the gubmint is a convenient scapegoat for not carrying enough inventory. Heaven forbid any business take responsibility for not keeping anything in stock.

John Fulton · Feb 24, 2014

In most states, implementation of the Clean Water Act has been relegated by Federal EPA to the appropriate state agencies. That is what has led to the disasters in both WV and NC.... the state agencies were corrupted by political agendas of governors or legislators. It was only when Federal EPA came in and took over their primal authority of CWA that pollution was brought under control.

casenut1 · Feb 24, 2014

Pure laziness.

JDNewbie · Feb 24, 2014

Not to be too conspiratorial, but in my opinion the control of lead, even in batteries, is mostly about the control of ammunition.

johndeerefan · Feb 24, 2014

and why do you think HLS is stock piling ammo?

Pops1532 · Feb 24, 2014

(quoted from post at 13:08:53 02/24/14) For those who love to rail against the EPA ( and I agree that some of their proposed regulations are absurd)) should look at the recent water pollution disasters in West Virginia and North Carolina. In both cases, had not the Federal EPA stepped in to take over their primal authority of the Clean Water Act, residents in West Virginia, North Carolina and Virginia would still be drinking polluted water and aquatic life would continue to be poisoned.

Proposed regs absurd? How about some of the regs they already have in place? Like the RRP program, or the regs on cleaning a chute on a redi mix truck? They are absolutely ridiculous.
The problem is the EPA has changed from an agency that was meant to protect the environment to an agency that is determined to ruin our way of life.

Nancy Howell · Feb 24, 2014

I disagree. If we are living in a hole eating grubs and worms, who will produce the steaks for the enviros?

IH2444 · Feb 24, 2014

You may disagree with the EPA but the fact is that most of our streams and such are much safer now to swim in and eat fish from than they were before those bothersome EPA regulations.

ss55 · Feb 24, 2014

This winter's extended sub-zero weather may have caused more marginal battieries to be replaced than in a normal winter. I had to replace a car battery just before New Year's and I got the last #78 left on the shelf at O'Reilly Auto. The manager said he sold a lot of batteries when the weather droped below -20F. To stay on topic, I blame the EPA for the cold weather too, LOL.

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