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06 Ford 6.0 has 2 containers of 911 plus a gallon of gas in the tank and still geling up. Filled at Wally world where I have for the past few years now. I complained this Saturday after walking 3 miles in - 0 weather. Was told by a manager that people want cheap and they add the 4% animal fat per gallon allowed by our government to their tanks. They will continue to do so as there is nothing wrong with making a profit. No re-inbursement either. Thoughts?
 
I fill up at Casey's in Iowa, no issues. I would not think animal fat should be added to Diesel.
 
Better upgrade and add #1 , clear kerosene to at least a 50 % mix. The animal fat bio fuel will solidify at a lot higher temp than pure dinosaur.
 
Probably best to wait till it warms up some. You have quite a bit of stuff other than diesel in there now. I've burnt super filtered cooking oil in summer at a rate of a couple of gallons to a tank on a 3020 JD and a person could still smell it 3 months later if the wind was blowing the correct way....Ron
 
i dont know about that, in theory maybe, as the usual electrical failure due to bad plugs wires ect doesnt apply to them. but nothing will run right if its fuel is tampered with by idiots at walmart that dont have any idea what there doing, i would think that anything put in fuel of any kind would be done at the refinery not the retailer
my sugestion is switch to a regular gas station type place for the winter
 
Fuel at a different location. Crappy winter fuel at Wal Mart. I paid the price too. Never again !!! You need to drain fuel down to 1/8-1/4 tank. Change fuel filters and KEEP a SET of filters in the cab. I drive a 02 Cummins and I always use Howes at every fill up. 911 is Alcohol and will remove SOME water but not all diesel has water in it when made already. Also, ask the fuel truck what they use for a ppd or Pour Point Depresent. If he don't know I'd drive away fast !!! Diesel can gel at 40 degrees if its crappy fuel. Like I said drain your tank and fill with #1 diesel then use Howes.
 
Fueled my 97 7.3l at WM for a couple of years. Noticed mpg was dropping and engine just didn"t seem to run as well.

Changed to the Shell station. Noticed a difference almost immediately. I never go to WM for fuel anymore.
 
I believe if it is bio diesel there are no restrictions and the manufacture is allowed to put a small % of old cooking oil ,crap etc. in the fuel. I think if you use bio you need to find out what the supplier is using. All suppliers do not use the old grease etc in there bio. This crap that they allow in bio diesel is what is giving bio diesel its bad name. Casey"s does not use bio diesel in what they sell around me in north central Illinois. Have a val 6 heater that doesn"t like the bio at all.
 
Agree!! Brother has convinced to also add Howes at every fill-up.
Others may disagree, but with this long cold winter, I've had 0 fuel problems!
 
A couple of years ago, in the heat of the summer, I obtained, mixed and used some "bio" diesel after reading how good it was for lubrication. The dealer promoting it guaranteed it was all vegetable based oil. He said animal fat was just trouble. I guess so.
I had no issues with filters, and would use more if I could get it.
 
My car gives me a constant read-out on fuel mileage. Anytime I fill-up at Wally World the fuel mileage drops. I am a Wally World fan but most of their bargains are not.
 
I posted about this earlier. My buddy who hauls fuel gelled his semi. They put a whole case of 911 in it, plus a lot of fuel conditioner. The 4 percent of animal fat in the fuel didn't respond to anything but heat. I also think this fuel is in all stations in our area. Southern Il. There is just few places to haul from. It must not be getting mixed good. Because not all vehicles gelled up. My son bought from Wally World. Poured in 1/2 gallon of howe's still running. 7.3 Ford.
 

I thought diesels are the do all to end all and the 4 doors make great grocery getters. Maybe not so good when it gets cold though.
 
I have posted this comment before, but it is important enough I will say it again. I own and operate a small pump shop. I have made good money from bio diesel and 911. Not because I sell them, because I repair the injection pumps that have used them. Everyone can argue the point that they have used this stuff with no problem. When you see as many pumps as I do you can see the answer. Most bio diesel has a small amount of water in it. Some more, some less. either way a pump doesnt like water, and rust isn't good inside of a pump. At COOL temps bio diesel thickens. Think what it does when cold? I repair a lot of stuck plungers from bio diesel. 91l might be a great product for gas engines, not diesels. 911 helps pass the water through the system, it doesn't remove it. It still goes through the pump, and damages it. It also makes the ultra low sulfur diesel lubricate even less, causing damage. I am from the old school, dump some cheap ATF in your tank, change filters regularly, and stay away from junk fuel when possible.
 
I read all the prior comments. Howes is OK, but the best antigell I have found has a John Deere label on it. It is Stanadyne with Deere's label on it.
I am going to start using Schaffers as soon as I get my existing supply used up. Only problem is it is a little hard to find. Everyone has a Deere dealer nearby.
Don't you just love BIODIESEL? It is all we can get in this area of Ilinois. It is an 11 percent blend so the gas stations get a rebate on it. Anything over 10 percent gets a rebate.
They won't sell anything less, or the rebate goes away. DOUG
 
my mechanic says that 911 is only a temporary fix and even with 911 in the tank to get the fuel going you will still need to put a fuel treatment in your diesel to keep the truck running. I learned this the hard way with my Kawasaki diesel fuel.
 
I keep reading here from fellas that advise to mix gasoline with diesel. No way. They will mix at first, but they will separate in time. I know from experience.

I've posted this here before. When I was in the Army and stationed in the field 290 days of 365 living in tents in Germany, the manuals said to cut diesel with "denatured alcohol" for all of our diesel equipment...trucks, tractors, generators, all of it. The same for our pot-bellied tent heaters, furnaces. So, this one time about 20 of us were in a GP-medium tent up on some ski mountain, snow about 3' deep around our tent and trucks. It was so cold that the diesel in the 5 gallon cans feeding our pot-bellies kept gelling up, and we didn't have "denatured alcohol" to thin it, so we used about 1/2 gallon of gasoline to about every 4.5 gallons of diesel, and it worked. We'd shake the cans, mix it up, and were able to set the jets on the pot-bellies to light, run, put out heat. OUR MANUALS VERY SPECIFICALLY SAID DO NOT USE GASOLINE TO TREAT DIESEL IN ANYTHING. But again, we had no "denatured alcohol", and were freezing.

One night we all bunked down in our cots and sleeping bags, all went to sleep. We were all awaken by the "WOOSH" of flames taking off big time when the thicker diesel ran out, and the thinner gasoline rushed through the burners, and overflowed onto the ground, burning out of control. Guys lept up from our sleeping bags, someone tried to beat the fire out with a sleeping bag, soaking and igniting it, and before you know it, we were scrambling out of the tent for our lives about 2AM, and the tent with everything in it, all of our gear burned to the ground. Word got to our Brigade Commander, and he, the Colonel flew up there by chopper to look it all over, relieved the Sargent in command, ordered us to dig it all up and bag it, including the contaminated soil, and he flew off and left us to live out of running jeeps, 2.5 and 5 tons for the rest of a week. He was angry, because the manuals warned to never thin diesel with gasoline, because although they may mix initially, they will separate...and in our case, they did, and did they ever.

Mix gasoline with diesel to thin it? I learned my lesson, and these days its me paying for the equipment.

Good luck.

Mark
 
FPPF makes some good treatment for this problem , so does lots of other companys , youll have to double or tripple now to get the bad fuel out of it , never put gas in a diesel engine , gas has such a high octane rating, it exsplodes befor diesel will , you mys well through a handfull of rocks down that engine because thats what its like on them pistons , for gods sake quit supporting them greedy cheap a$$s @ that place , evey time i hear wally word i want to vomit , probably bought that junk fuel they sold ya from china too
 
Two observations. One, as a kid growing up and pumping fuel, used to be a trucker that stopped in every Sunday to fuel his diesel tanks, and always added a quart of ATF to every 100 gallons. You are the second fella that I've ever run across that added ATF to his diesel. The other fella I was referring to, said that it both lubricated as well as kept his injectors clean. A couple of years I fueled that guy, every Sunday, always a quart of ATF to every 100 gallons. Second, you referred to 911 as being bad. Would that be PS 911 that one can buy to clear wax ups? The reason that I ask, is that I used it once only after I didn't treat a new tank full, temps nose dived, and I found myself on the highway all waxed up. I limped in, treated with doses of PS 911 and PS, cleaning the injctors, and off I went. I've never had to use PS 911 ever again, and I've never failed to treat my diesel ever since with PS or Howes. The reason that I'm asking, is that I'm reading today that at least Howes is failing in extreme temps, so I asked whether or not under seldom extreme temperatures when they would or should fail, could one add PS 911 if they don't have No. 1 diesel available to prevent waxups? Bad idea? The only 911 that I know of, is PS 911. Is that the same one? Or do you mean in general?

Thanks in advance. Like most, I can't afford too many equipment malfuctions, and sure don't want to create any. Thanks again.

Mark
 
I am not sure about the new diesels but old school when in the -20 range Bosch friend said cut diesel with gas up to about 30 % just make sure that particular fuel was used up before it warmed up.
 
I would pump all of the fuel out I could. Then refill with 50% K-1 and your choice of anti-gel treatment. Change the filters before starting the engine too.

Any type of Bio-Diesel in the sub-zero weather will gel.

We ran bio-diesel when it first came around here. We found out the first cold spell that it will start to gel at 20-25 degrees. The normal anti-gel treatments do not work very well on bio-diesel either. We ended up draining several fuel tanks that fall.

We now make darn sure that by the first of Sept. That the main fuel tank is empty of bio-diesel. That way we know that by the time harvest is over that the bio-fuel is out of the running equipment.

We also keep a separate diesel tank for the tractors that are not ran much. That tank never has Bio-diesel in it and I treat it year round with anti-gel.
 
..well , my '06 VW Jetta diesel with 188,000 on it has started every sub zero morning here in mid MI so far this winter,sitting outdoors (using PS additive and Shell fuel) and it is a 4 dr grocery getter and gets 40mpg in winter and 48 in summer. When I can go from MI to Texas on two 13 gal fill-ups....I ain't complaining. Oh, and I bought this car from original owner for $ 6000 so didn't get dinged on that end either. Diesel pickup trucks??? not so much.
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(quoted from post at 19:01:50 02/10/14) Two observations. One, as a kid growing up and pumping fuel, used to be a trucker that stopped in every Sunday to fuel his diesel tanks, and always added a quart of ATF to every 100 gallons. You are the second fella that I've ever run across that added ATF to his diesel. The other fella I was referring to, said that it both lubricated as well as kept his injectors clean. A couple of years I fueled that guy, every Sunday, always a quart of ATF to every 100 gallons. Second, you referred to 911 as being bad. Would that be PS 911 that one can buy to clear wax ups? The reason that I ask, is that I used it once only after I didn't treat a new tank full, temps nose dived, and I found myself on the highway all waxed up. I limped in, treated with doses of PS 911 and PS, cleaning the injctors, and off I went. I've never had to use PS 911 ever again, and I've never failed to treat my diesel ever since with PS or Howes. The reason that I'm asking, is that I'm reading today that at least Howes is failing in extreme temps, so I asked whether or not under seldom extreme temperatures when they would or should fail, could one add PS 911 if they don't have No. 1 diesel available to prevent waxups? Bad idea? The only 911 that I know of, is PS 911. Is that the same one? Or do you mean in general?

Thanks in advance. Like most, I can't afford too many equipment malfuctions, and sure don't want to create any. Thanks again.

Mark
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Mark, apparently you miss a lot of threads, LOL. This comes up regularly and Many guys have advocated adding ATF to their fuel.
 
The gasoline problem is diesels is when somebody pulls up with a near empty tank . Then fills to the brim with gasoline . The Diesel engine during hot weather in particular will have problems with a 90% charge of gasoline.
10-30% gasoline mixed with diesel will flow and start better in sub zero temperatures. Won't bother the engine in the least.
Octane? Diesel has a lower octane/higher cetane than gasoline. That is why all fuel engines have a lower compression ratio than gasoline engines do. Diesel ignites at a lower temperature than gasoline.
Gasoline does have a lower flash point and higher flame speed than diesel. Hence the knocking if a diesel is dosed with too much gasoline in hot weather.
Octane has virtually no bearing on energy content either in fact 87 octane has more btu's per pound than 94 octane.
I'll agree that Wally World has done North America more harm than good.
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Hey showcrop. I'm not here every day, but if there are several here that also advocate using ATF, perhaps I should give it a try. I've seen a fella do it, so I can say that it must not hurt because he never complained, and it was his idea. I've been meaning to give it a shot, get busy, forget, and...

Thanks for pointing that out. I appreciate it. Thanks again.

Mark
 
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