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Today the US State Dept. issued a report saying it had "no major environmental objections" to the XL pipeline. This gives the President political cover to sign off on the project. Lets start digging, trucking and welding. Up here in Williston ND there is so much money blowing around on the streets there are not enough people to pick it up. This is going to make it even better. Best of all, we are going to kick our middle east oil addiction.
 
Don't count your chickens yet.

It's now in Barry's hands and we all know what he is.

Dean
 
Scott I have a question. I have a friend, he is 50 something, and hasen't had a good job in years. Could someone just drive to ND and go into go the unemployment office and land a job of some sort? Stan
 
Jobs, jobs, jobs, even if oil goes to the foreign market, we need
jobs. Its also safer to put oil in pipelines then by warren buffets
railroads.
 
(quoted from post at 20:54:16 01/31/14) Scott I have a question. I have a friend, he is 50 something, and hasen't had a good job in years. Could someone just drive to ND and go into go the unemployment office and land a job of some sort? Stan
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You can do that here. Well, not exactly. There are places that will pay $18 to start, but you work 12 days on, 1 day off, 12 hour days. It's manual labor, but, it's not extremely hard. It's tedious. The big problem is that you have to find a place to live, and renting a place if you have a family, will be expensive. Figure $800-1000 per month plus utilities for a decent place to live. The hiring process takes about 3 weeks to a month. That's a long time to sit and wait to know if you have a job, while not getting paid. Anyone with a CDL license and some experience will have a much easier time getting a job in the $15-18 range.
 
The short answer is probably no. He will get a job but it can take a while. However it depends on skills. The real problem is finding a place to live, but that is getting better. Truck drivers are always in demand. Anyone in the construction trades or medical. The internet is full of job oppertunities. Mass mailing of resumes and letters of interest can't hurt. A company in a bind may call back and ask how soon can you get up here. Job Service of ND can help. If you are going to just show up I would recommend to anyone to wait till spring, right now it is -7 F. I work 2 weeeks on and then have 4 weeks off, and I am leaving tomorrow morning.
 
(quoted from post at 21:49:07 01/31/14) I think I ll stay here,18.00per hour would be a pay cut.
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What amazes me is when you know a guy is making somewhere around there, but somehow manages to pull down over $100K a year from working like a robot. Don't ask them if they remember what their kids look like, or their wife's first name.
 
Hope you like the taste of oil more than you like the taste of water as you need to read more about fracking or about leaks in a pipeline .
 
(quoted from post at 22:43:57 01/31/14) Hope you like the taste of oil more than you like the taste of water as you need to read more about fracking or about leaks in a pipeline .
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Careful...
 
I don't get what the fuss is about one more pipeline. Try googling "oil pipelines in the United States".
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The pipeline is so the oil companies can sell the product to the highest bidders on the world market, and that will raise prices for you and me! ND need a refinery, not a pipeline!
 
Well said Russ . Not a drop of that oil will be refined and used here in the US . Build northern states refineries closer to the oil , it"s a no brainer if that is the true goal . why is the US exporting oil ? Follow the money
 
(quoted from post at 23:04:32 01/31/14) Well said Russ . Not a drop of that oil will be refined and used here in the US . Build northern states refineries closer to the oil , it"s a no brainer if that is the true goal . why is the US exporting oil ? Follow the money
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where did you get that information?

The first 2 sections of the keystone pipeline go to refineries in Illinois and Nebraska. The final 2 sections will land it in Texas refineries. Yes, some will be marketed to export markets, but, it will be here for domestic use, as well.

If you think about it, we are taking Canada's oil, and giving them a way to market it to China. It's like we are Canada's jitney driver or something.
 
will the people whose property the privately owned pipeline crosses have any say or will the govt just use eminent domain and use their property without permission?
 
(quoted from post at 23:23:28 01/31/14) will the people whose property the privately owned pipeline crosses have any say or will the govt just use eminent domain and use their property without permission?
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Even if it is taken by eminent domain, be thankful for the private companies who are getting beat up and paying out the nose for their non-eminent domain pipelines. The guys who force those companies to sign big money right-of-way agreements are just making it better for everyone else, because they increase the fair market value of an agreement.
 
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(quoted from post at 23:04:32 01/31/14) Well said Russ . Not a drop of that oil will be refined and used here in the US . Build northern states refineries closer to the oil , it"s a no brainer if that is the true goal . why is the US exporting oil ? Follow the money
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where did you get that information?

The first 2 sections of the keystone pipeline go to refineries in Illinois and Nebraska. The final 2 sections will land it in Texas refineries. Yes, some will be marketed to export markets, but, it will be here for domestic use, as well.

If you think about it, we are taking Canada's oil, and giving them a way to market it to China.
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Read: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-keystone-xl-canadian-oil-and-chinese-market/

The article mentions diverting the oil that currently feeds to Midwest refineries to the Houston terminal, and Canada's access to the world market.
 
Dont belive every thing you read or hear there is already a pipe line comming down out of Canada it feeds into Illinois & Kansas. There is a big refinerey at McPherson Ka. That pipe line is owned by the same Co that owns XL
 
There are a lot routes to the ocean that are a lot shorter for the Canucks than going to Texas. I find that one a little hard to grasp.
 
(quoted from post at 19:43:57 01/31/14) Hope you like the taste of oil more than you like the taste of water as you need to read more about fracking or about leaks in a pipeline .
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Hope you like your bicycle and freezing to death, you need to read up on reality.
 
Me Too. I have 10 and 13" natural gas/petroleum lines across
the back of my property. Were on the place when I bought it 35
years ago. Never had a problem. Lines are marked and a 24/7
phone # posted. They take safety seriously. Get a brochure
periodically talking about pipeline safety and their feelings about
it.

I did some fence work across the easement once and called for
them to remark the line. A team was at the house the next day
and this was no emergency.

Mark
 
Are you ready for it to come thru your backyard?? I worked for a natural gas pipeline company, had people sit on their porch and said just step one foot off that R.O.W and he's shooting...The Eminent Domain makes a lot of people mad and I would be one..
 
Just another way for the environmentalist to try shutting down the country by using the hippies. I wonder if they would say..."If the pipe line comes in we will stop driving our cars,that'al get even with you guys that are trying to stop depending on Middle East oil".
 
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(quoted from post at 22:20:31 01/31/14)
(quoted from post at 23:04:32 01/31/14) Well said Russ . Not a drop of that oil will be refined and used here in the US . Build northern states refineries closer to the oil , it"s a no brainer if that is the true goal . why is the US exporting oil ? Follow the money
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where did you get that information?

The first 2 sections of the keystone pipeline go to refineries in Illinois and Nebraska. The final 2 sections will land it in Texas refineries. Yes, some will be marketed to export markets, but, it will be here for domestic use, as well.

If you think about it, we are taking Canada's oil, and giving them a way to market it to China.
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Read: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...-keystone-xl-canadian-oil-and-chinese-market/

The article mentions diverting the oil that currently feeds to Midwest refineries to the Houston terminal, and Canada's access to the world market.
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I did. :wink:

Despite my personal dislike for a magazine that spreads false information through very abundant writing, I feel that article was written well. Google search for national geographic Hallowich. Read that, and believe me when I tell you they lied, and nat geo played right along. After that story they did, and having my town blasted across national news, and made fun of by Stephen Colbert which is a result of original exploitation by nat geo, I'm not a big fan.


Yes, the article does mention that oil from gulf coast refineries will be exported to China. It is inevitable. However, it doesn't say all the oil will be exported. Also, there is an assumption that production in the Midwest will be diverted to the gulf coast. That fact is that the Midwest refineries cannot process it all. They are overwhelmed with the supply they have now. The extension would allow for the pipeline to run at a higher capacity, and feed refineries that are capable of refining it. Also, the infrastructure built through the gulf coast can take finished product by pipeline to domestic markets easier.

It's more oil that will be refined in the US that doesn't have to come from a nation where camels roam. When you bring oil from the Middle East, you have a lot of shipping charges before you even get it refined. Bringing tar sands down the hill via a pipeline makes a lot more sense to me than supertankers traveling half way across the globe. I smell discounted oil.


Sure, Canada is going to sell to China. I didn't deny that. I'm just saying that after reading some posts in this thread, I have to wonder just exactly how much they really have researched on the subject, before offering an opinion and speculating.


Does that sound fair? I'm not trying to beat anyone up.
 
(quoted from post at 09:33:30 02/01/14) Are you ready for it to come thru your backyard?? I worked for a natural gas pipeline company, had people sit on their porch and said just step one foot off that R.O.W and he's shooting...The Eminent Domain makes a lot of people mad and I would be one..
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I don't think eminent domain should be a consideration with a private pipeline. Unless someone already has a ROW on their property, and the ROW owner entered a ROW agreement with the keystone XL. But in that case, you already have a pipe there, why fight about a second one? You would still be entitled to damages and any additional money per the original ROW agreement concerning additional pipelines.

Modern ROW agreements usually do specify prices to be paid for the ROW, damages, and additional pipes. Usually 30-50% of the original ROW agreement is paid for each additional pipeline, and damages are paid in full for each line. Modern reclamation is used, and the ground is double ditched, so that the top soil gets piled separate from subsoil. Locally, the company that does final reclamation and reseeding was a former golf course finishing company. When they are done, the ROW does look like a golf course.

AS long as the route is flexible, and the company pays fair, no one should have anything to worry about. err... this is a Canadian pipeline... I meant nothing to worry aboot.
 
I just wanted to share this satellite photo of modern pipelines. You can see them as light brown lines running every which way across the picture.


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These are not public utility pipelines. They are private enterprise lines. The difference is that they can't use eminent domain, and the pipeline follows the path where the landowners are willing to have, and avoids completely, the landowners who could not be bought and wanted nothing to do with it. I have heard of a few neighbors going toe to toe about this, as one guy might not want it anywhere near him, and his neighbor sells out and has the line put 10 feet off the property line. These companies are tossing a pile of money on the table, and the first guy to grab it, gets it. If no one grabs it, they make the pile of money a bit bigger, until someone eventually does.
 
(quoted from post at 19:43:57 01/31/14) Hope you like the taste of oil more than you like the taste of water as you need to read more about fracking or about leaks in a pipeline .
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There are millions of miles of pipelines already here. The leaks probably dont add up to what drips off of oilpans all over the US in a week.

Gene
 
That's why I came to Nebraska instead of staying up there after working for the harvester. Winter comes wayyy too early.

I hear that Williston is getting pretty nasty now too. No law enforcement to speak of and the locals are leaving.

I told them when I was there (2010) it's great now, but wait for an election cycle or two, you will never recognize your state again, everyone coming in to work will vote to make it more like the stenchhole they left because they couldn't find work.
 
Jobs, jobs, jobs, even if oil goes to the foreign market, we need
jobs. Its also safer to put oil in pipelines then by warren buffets
railroads.
 
I live in east central kY where several nat gas pipelines go from LA/TX to the NE.
In the 12 years I have lived here we have had 4 blowouts within 10 miles of my house.
One looked like a nuke went off, another sounded like the space shuttle taking off for about 4 hours, etc.

People around here know what the roar and the glowing sky means.


Yeah private enterprise keeps us real safe.
 
(quoted from post at 23:03:27 02/01/14) Hey John, I know right where that is; my son lives Bulger
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Small world! Are you from around here too? Does your son do any farming?
 
(quoted from post at 23:35:29 02/01/14) I live in east central kY where several nat gas pipelines go from LA/TX to the NE.
In the 12 years I have lived here we have had 4 blowouts within 10 miles of my house.
One looked like a nuke went off, another sounded like the space shuttle taking off for about 4 hours, etc.

People around here know what the roar and the glowing sky means.


Yeah private enterprise keeps us real safe.
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My buddy was killed when a zappi oil truck cut him in his car, in half. The fire fighters took him out in 2 sections. He was covered in paint, from the delivery he was on.

Pick your mode of death, but choose wisely. Do you want your wife to have to identify you, when your lower half is in a different body bag?


It's got the upside and the downside. If it is really that bad in your area, put those stories public and maybe you can go after the local contractor.

Rest in Peace, Robert "Mikey" Michael Webb. We love you brother. We never will forget you. I hope I can be in heaven with you to talk about how I never can make it in on time, and you are the best softball coach, ever.

You win, you are the best softball coach. hands down.




We need to pick through these stories and get incident reports on each one. Deaths from the pipelines must be documented. I don't want to go to another funeral.
 
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