I was thinking at the farm tonight about handling female animals vs males, as I've said in the past I have worked around thoroughbred race horses, mares and foals, and worked in the breeding shed with stallions, I handled the mares, never the stallions. I have been kicked, knocked around by yearlings, and bit. I prefer mares over stallions. I work on my friends beef farm, he has about 50 heifers and calves, he had 1 jersey bull, he was a mean sob, I like the heifers better! I also have chickens, I will only keep hens now, had roosters in the past, I was trying to lock them up one night and a rooster flew up and scratched my face, the next Tuesday all the roosters went to the livestock auction! Lol. There are people who have to handle stallions, bulls and other male animals, so which side are you on, do you have to work with males or females, don't get me wrong, we've had our share of lunatic mares, when you see a note on the stall door, that says this mare kicks and bits, it's no fun.! Lol
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When it comes to horses, I prefer geldings to mares any day. There are always exceptions, but in general geldings are the same day after day, while mares can be, well mares. Don't get me wrong, if you get the right mare they will work harder for you than most geldings, if you can put up with their BS especially when in heat.
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I'm with ya on the roosters, won't have one of the sonsabitches on the place.
Only other males I deal with are rams, and I've had a pretty good run of luck with them. Current one is a 300 pound pussycat. Still, he's an intact male and an animal, so I keep one eye on him all the time.
And when the Girls are in the mood, I keep BOTH eyes on him...
Only other males I deal with are rams, and I've had a pretty good run of luck with them. Current one is a 300 pound pussycat. Still, he's an intact male and an animal, so I keep one eye on him all the time.
And when the Girls are in the mood, I keep BOTH eyes on him...
Anonymous-0
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My 89-year-old uncle's had horses all his life. Says the only
thing a mare's good for is to have geldings. He oughta'
know!
Glenn F.
thing a mare's good for is to have geldings. He oughta'
know!
Glenn F.
Fawteen
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They're both wrong.
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notjustair
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It is always amazing to me to work calves. I'm talking about 200 pound ones - banding, ear tags, etc. 50 of them through the chute and I dread the boys.
The heifers just stand there like little ladies while you ear tag them and give them the once over. Without fail, the little steers-to-be act like the end of the word is coming when you put in those ear tags. They absolutely throw a little tantrum. Thank heavens banding doesn't hurt or I would have even more bruises after that fun.
I won't have any roosters. I don't need the hens stirred up like that. I've always had pretty good luck with boars, too. Like others have said, if it has a frank and beans I don't turn my back on it.
The heifers just stand there like little ladies while you ear tag them and give them the once over. Without fail, the little steers-to-be act like the end of the word is coming when you put in those ear tags. They absolutely throw a little tantrum. Thank heavens banding doesn't hurt or I would have even more bruises after that fun.
I won't have any roosters. I don't need the hens stirred up like that. I've always had pretty good luck with boars, too. Like others have said, if it has a frank and beans I don't turn my back on it.
showcrop
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When we had sheep you had to be very careful of the rams. The Hampshires that we had would grow very big, probably 250 lbs. If they took a run at you it wasn't hard to step out of their way and then play with them a little, you could usually hear them coming. The little Southdowns that we had though were a different matter. The didn't charge. They would walk casually up to you then toss their head sideways at you and get you in the knee. One of them got me good one time so that I was 6 months getting it healed up.
Thinking of stallions in a breading pen reminds me of the Amish dentist over in Ohio.
He charged $15 to pull a tooth, and he used Novocain. On the side, he had a stallion and he would have people bringing mares in from a far to have them bred. One day, the young Amish man was sitting in the dentist chair getting ready to have his tooth pulled. A horse trailer pulled up and they were a bit impatient. The dentist walked outside, got the mare in the breeding pen and came in to numb the tooth. The stallion wasn't quite getting it right but definitely trying. Being impatient and in a hurry, the dentist went outside and "helped" the stallion with a guiding hand and off he went.
The dentist walked back in, wiped his hands on his shirt, hooked his finger in the kid's mouth, and said, "now let's get that tooth out."
He charged $15 to pull a tooth, and he used Novocain. On the side, he had a stallion and he would have people bringing mares in from a far to have them bred. One day, the young Amish man was sitting in the dentist chair getting ready to have his tooth pulled. A horse trailer pulled up and they were a bit impatient. The dentist walked outside, got the mare in the breeding pen and came in to numb the tooth. The stallion wasn't quite getting it right but definitely trying. Being impatient and in a hurry, the dentist went outside and "helped" the stallion with a guiding hand and off he went.
The dentist walked back in, wiped his hands on his shirt, hooked his finger in the kid's mouth, and said, "now let's get that tooth out."
I grew up and in later years got back involved with thoroughbreds, foals, mares and all the rest, thats a tough question thinking back.
Thinking about the later years of doing that work, I've seen more exceptions to the rule than not. We have a stallion that is just unreal, I'd trust him more than any other horse I've ever dealt with. Sure when he was younger, he'd stand up, test you, pain to load, but if you did not see through that with him, you missed the hidden gem he is and if a former WWII bomber pilot now in his 90's could ride him, its hard to say where you would find a better stallion in that breed. He has more character than not, he still liked to goof around, play and of course he would test you when he could. He gave me a little nip while I was in his stall one time, and knew what that would get him, took off out the back door, thankfully not kicking though I was out of the way, I popped out right after him and he was just outside, I swear laughing if he could, bucking/kicking, and a fartin up a good ole time, happier than a pig in the proverbial shite !
There have been times when I just don't have the patience for the way things are done at this place and the lack of help, and getting those darned horses out of the pasture, back to the barn, for me was a nightmare. You need more than one person, can't get that, I aint getting hurt, and I sure as heck don't want them getting injured either. I believe my father was there that day sort of laid up, and its the end of the day, I have a 30 mile ride, theres a storm coming and they are acting up, can't get em in, so I said to heck with it, opened the gate, and said what happens, happens, either that or they stay out, and thats no good either. One problem, that stallion was out in his paddock. See when you are ticked off, you don't think, I should have closed the door, closed off his paddock, made sure he was in the stall first. The others were around the barn, found some grazing, I could get them one at a time, but the one mare, had to go over and visit the stallion between the tractor and the manure spreader and the fence. At that point I would have liked to just walked off that place, not my problem, I'm not going to get killed over what amounts to welfare pay. I went over there and figured what I had best do, no time to think it over, just had to act, this stallion some how listened to me, I don't know how the heck i did it, but I would not back off him, I was madder than heck, but not letting them see that, just can't do that with horses, mare was older too, not in heat, but she may have helped, decided to leave, I'll never know, but makes more sense thinking about it than a stallion listening to anyone trying to keep him away from any mare. This was a volatile situation, worst thing is that stallion gets a leg caught in that rotten ag fence they use, I hate that stuff with a passion for horses, but thats what they use. Luckily there was a top board rail, and if he gets a leg up that does help from them getting caught. Well I nudged her out and he did back off with me on his arse like a drill instructor, maybe he did listen a bit, another would have stomped you. I'd have been heartbroken if he got hurt, would have been my fault.
I had a gelding fresh off the track, jumped 2 fences and walked across the frozen pond to pay this same stallion a visit, once while I was framing the roof of the nearby barn that partially collapsed, I got them apart both times too. The other time the stallion broke that top rail, if he got that leg caught, darned gelding spooked in the barn got away from me, just happens sometimes. I worked with that gelding, for awhile, we got him and another in some deal from Joe McMahon's place, both seemed promising, that one gelding, had been abused or something, he eventually turned into sneaky mean s.o.b. not sure why, but I'd soon as put a bullet in him if he came my way, I could tell he'd try and hurt me if I ever took an eye off him, I tried a few things with him, one cocky and dangerous animal, don't take much for him to strike, don't turn your back on him in a stall and NEVER go in a paddock with him. I trained him in the hitchcock pen, like what the calvary used, I built this pen for my dad. He was a top notch jumper, people noticed it, but there was something awry. Same darned horse I could walk in the rain using an umbrella !!! My father has been in that business since high school, only saw one other person do that ever, and she was highly experience, I am not ! I casually walked by in the rain, umbrella open, which would strike fear in any other horse, no problem. I'll never figure any of them out, this guy was just out there. We have another gelding, I used to work him in the arena, no lunge line, just verbal commands and I'd take some cover by some jump standards for a barrier, walk, trot, canter, it was the best part of my day, me and him, of course he was hand raised, I brought him home from Cornell, brought him back when he colic'd real bad, saved his life, he put me through hell that day, it was worth it. He was just like his dad, that great stallion, maybe a little sarcastic to some riders, but I've never been able to verbally command or should I say something to a horse not on some kind of line, and he'd do just as you ask right on cue, I had him in top shape before me leg gave out with all problems, which finally seem to be gone now. Darned horses are something else. I can go there any time, find that stallion in the far corner, give a whistle and he will come right over, they don't forget, treat them as you would like to be treated it goes a long way. We had another stallion, quite a bit more ornery, I would not take any crap from him, I also tried to do nice things for him, no one seemed to care to work with him, he was a gem inside too, he came flying over after not seeing me in months, grabbed my carhart at the chest, and I swear he was like where the heck have you been ?, They just don't forget, as dumb, stubborn or as ornery as they can get, treat em bad, you'll get yours I guarantee it !
Thinking about the later years of doing that work, I've seen more exceptions to the rule than not. We have a stallion that is just unreal, I'd trust him more than any other horse I've ever dealt with. Sure when he was younger, he'd stand up, test you, pain to load, but if you did not see through that with him, you missed the hidden gem he is and if a former WWII bomber pilot now in his 90's could ride him, its hard to say where you would find a better stallion in that breed. He has more character than not, he still liked to goof around, play and of course he would test you when he could. He gave me a little nip while I was in his stall one time, and knew what that would get him, took off out the back door, thankfully not kicking though I was out of the way, I popped out right after him and he was just outside, I swear laughing if he could, bucking/kicking, and a fartin up a good ole time, happier than a pig in the proverbial shite !
There have been times when I just don't have the patience for the way things are done at this place and the lack of help, and getting those darned horses out of the pasture, back to the barn, for me was a nightmare. You need more than one person, can't get that, I aint getting hurt, and I sure as heck don't want them getting injured either. I believe my father was there that day sort of laid up, and its the end of the day, I have a 30 mile ride, theres a storm coming and they are acting up, can't get em in, so I said to heck with it, opened the gate, and said what happens, happens, either that or they stay out, and thats no good either. One problem, that stallion was out in his paddock. See when you are ticked off, you don't think, I should have closed the door, closed off his paddock, made sure he was in the stall first. The others were around the barn, found some grazing, I could get them one at a time, but the one mare, had to go over and visit the stallion between the tractor and the manure spreader and the fence. At that point I would have liked to just walked off that place, not my problem, I'm not going to get killed over what amounts to welfare pay. I went over there and figured what I had best do, no time to think it over, just had to act, this stallion some how listened to me, I don't know how the heck i did it, but I would not back off him, I was madder than heck, but not letting them see that, just can't do that with horses, mare was older too, not in heat, but she may have helped, decided to leave, I'll never know, but makes more sense thinking about it than a stallion listening to anyone trying to keep him away from any mare. This was a volatile situation, worst thing is that stallion gets a leg caught in that rotten ag fence they use, I hate that stuff with a passion for horses, but thats what they use. Luckily there was a top board rail, and if he gets a leg up that does help from them getting caught. Well I nudged her out and he did back off with me on his arse like a drill instructor, maybe he did listen a bit, another would have stomped you. I'd have been heartbroken if he got hurt, would have been my fault.
I had a gelding fresh off the track, jumped 2 fences and walked across the frozen pond to pay this same stallion a visit, once while I was framing the roof of the nearby barn that partially collapsed, I got them apart both times too. The other time the stallion broke that top rail, if he got that leg caught, darned gelding spooked in the barn got away from me, just happens sometimes. I worked with that gelding, for awhile, we got him and another in some deal from Joe McMahon's place, both seemed promising, that one gelding, had been abused or something, he eventually turned into sneaky mean s.o.b. not sure why, but I'd soon as put a bullet in him if he came my way, I could tell he'd try and hurt me if I ever took an eye off him, I tried a few things with him, one cocky and dangerous animal, don't take much for him to strike, don't turn your back on him in a stall and NEVER go in a paddock with him. I trained him in the hitchcock pen, like what the calvary used, I built this pen for my dad. He was a top notch jumper, people noticed it, but there was something awry. Same darned horse I could walk in the rain using an umbrella !!! My father has been in that business since high school, only saw one other person do that ever, and she was highly experience, I am not ! I casually walked by in the rain, umbrella open, which would strike fear in any other horse, no problem. I'll never figure any of them out, this guy was just out there. We have another gelding, I used to work him in the arena, no lunge line, just verbal commands and I'd take some cover by some jump standards for a barrier, walk, trot, canter, it was the best part of my day, me and him, of course he was hand raised, I brought him home from Cornell, brought him back when he colic'd real bad, saved his life, he put me through hell that day, it was worth it. He was just like his dad, that great stallion, maybe a little sarcastic to some riders, but I've never been able to verbally command or should I say something to a horse not on some kind of line, and he'd do just as you ask right on cue, I had him in top shape before me leg gave out with all problems, which finally seem to be gone now. Darned horses are something else. I can go there any time, find that stallion in the far corner, give a whistle and he will come right over, they don't forget, treat them as you would like to be treated it goes a long way. We had another stallion, quite a bit more ornery, I would not take any crap from him, I also tried to do nice things for him, no one seemed to care to work with him, he was a gem inside too, he came flying over after not seeing me in months, grabbed my carhart at the chest, and I swear he was like where the heck have you been ?, They just don't forget, as dumb, stubborn or as ornery as they can get, treat em bad, you'll get yours I guarantee it !
I've had some roosters that were as nice as pie, others nasty as an alligator, biggest problem for me was the crowing, I can't stand a repitive noise like a rooster crowing, a dog barking non stop ect. Since I work around machinery all day, and I do wear ear plugs, I don't like to come home and hear my wife running the laundry machines or dish washer, she dosent understand why! Lol
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It all depends on how they are handled. I have males of most thing and not had much problems but from the get go you have to handle them. We had a stallion now a well let say male with out. Arabian horse but he was handled from the hour he was born and he has never been a problem. Have a stallion mini right now and he is easy to handle. You just have to teach them from the get go who is boss
I agree old, there was a stallion at the farm that had a wire cage type thing on his halter over his mouth to prevent him from biting, well befor this, he got loose one day, he ended up biting off the farm managers ear. This is true, I'm not bsing this. I don't know why they dident cut the sob. I was very careful around him, and never got hurt, his name was Scarlet Ibis. He was nuts, sometimes it took two guys to leed him into the barn.
Ted in NE-OH
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I had a mare quarter horse once that was antisocial she would put her head in a far corner of the stall. If you approached her from the rear she would kick you. Under saddle she was a great horse, that is why I kept her.
old
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I have a 27 year old Arabian mare who will do her best to never hurt you no matter what. We also have her son who has been cut due to having a pony so he would not be able to breed with her. TW Tovok was handled since he was born. The wife had to pull the sack off his head and while he can be a hand full he goes out of his way to not hurt you unless you put a saddle on him then your in for a ride. My mare on the other hand is the horse that TAUGHT my kids to ride. Not I say she taught them that is how good she is. Have had people from 2 to 86 on her. She is how trained and I have yet to find any body who can make her do all she knows how to do
I have had very few problems with bulls and that usualy was being stepped on or mashed while in tight quarters. I can't count the times I have been kicked,butted or steam rolled by cows. The majority of my cattle were crossbreeds with flop ears where as bulls were normaly pure breds other than pure Brahman. Even bulls with Brahman ancestory like Santa Gertrudis,Brangus and Beefmaster wern't dangerious as the same beed of cow.
A rooster jumped on my son when the boy was about 5. The rooster took about two more breaths before mom had his neck wroung,head pulled off and under a wash tub. The boy always minded his Ps and Qs around his Granny after that.
A rooster jumped on my son when the boy was about 5. The rooster took about two more breaths before mom had his neck wroung,head pulled off and under a wash tub. The boy always minded his Ps and Qs around his Granny after that.
I don't want to deal with a basically testosterone-loaded angry bull/stallion/ram/rooster, etc., on the other hand, it's best not to get in a position where Mama animal thinks your are harming her offspring. In other words, male or female, "caution required".
(Oh, yeah, I think the same thing applies when crossing paths with the neighbor's wife!)
(Oh, yeah, I think the same thing applies when crossing paths with the neighbor's wife!)
JayinNY, Let me tell you this. Buy 2 Semi Loads, 115 head of 400wt yearlings.... 1 Load of Cutter Bulls, the other of 400wt Heifers.
Put them on Truck and ship 12 to 18 hrs away from the salebarn where they were weaned off of their Moms....by virtue of Gate Cut!
Get to the Ranch that is their New Home, Held off Water for 12 hrs!! But given all the good quality clean Oat, Sudan, Coastal Bermuda Grass. After 12 hrs given water.
Next day All Cattle get Processed, all Shots 4 or so different ones, Ivomeced, Branded, Ear tag, Ear notched, Dehorned/Tipped back
The Only thing Different from the Bulls to the Heifers is the Castration of the Bulls.
The Steers at that point Become First Cousins to a Sheep.....Looking For a Place To Die!!!
The Bulls will just Give Up and Die........-> ->
The Heifers will Fight for every breath the pull right up to the point where they pull their last Breath. The will to live hes greater in the Female that the male.
We quit buying Cutter Bulls and went to buying Heifers. Our Death Loss was cut in half the say the least!
OBTW there is a large difference in the $Cost$ of Heifers to Bulls at Purchase......But are nearly the $same$ at Market time.
We did this for the 10 yrs I was with my relatives in the panhandle of Okla.
Later,
John A
Put them on Truck and ship 12 to 18 hrs away from the salebarn where they were weaned off of their Moms....by virtue of Gate Cut!
Get to the Ranch that is their New Home, Held off Water for 12 hrs!! But given all the good quality clean Oat, Sudan, Coastal Bermuda Grass. After 12 hrs given water.
Next day All Cattle get Processed, all Shots 4 or so different ones, Ivomeced, Branded, Ear tag, Ear notched, Dehorned/Tipped back
The Only thing Different from the Bulls to the Heifers is the Castration of the Bulls.
The Steers at that point Become First Cousins to a Sheep.....Looking For a Place To Die!!!
The Bulls will just Give Up and Die........-> ->
The Heifers will Fight for every breath the pull right up to the point where they pull their last Breath. The will to live hes greater in the Female that the male.
We quit buying Cutter Bulls and went to buying Heifers. Our Death Loss was cut in half the say the least!
OBTW there is a large difference in the $Cost$ of Heifers to Bulls at Purchase......But are nearly the $same$ at Market time.
We did this for the 10 yrs I was with my relatives in the panhandle of Okla.
Later,
John A
long ago, had horses when I was growing up.
most of my injuries were from the females.
The males would get feisty sometimes, and challenge you,
but it was usually a face to face fight. And when you showed them who was king, they were fine.
most of the females had a mean streak, and they were sneaky mean. They would never challenge face to face,
but turn your back and they would bite you. They were also very good at standing calmly and kicking you with amazing aim.
(usually across the hand holding the pitchfork handle...ouch)
The females were also the best at finding ways out of the fence.
most of my injuries were from the females.
The males would get feisty sometimes, and challenge you,
but it was usually a face to face fight. And when you showed them who was king, they were fine.
most of the females had a mean streak, and they were sneaky mean. They would never challenge face to face,
but turn your back and they would bite you. They were also very good at standing calmly and kicking you with amazing aim.
(usually across the hand holding the pitchfork handle...ouch)
The females were also the best at finding ways out of the fence.
We've only had 1 nasty ram in all our years of raising sheep and he only targeted my wife. No idea why. She caught him in the face with a section of pipe one day and he seemed to calm right down after that. Roosters, well, she likes to have a rooster around so I don't bother about it. The one we have now is real quite. Never had a boar hog that was worth anything, all lazy and not too interested in their job if you take my drift.
Now, I've had and still have mares that are absolute dolls, just in your pocket, calm, steady girls. I've also had mares that would do their best to kill you. Currently I have a gelding that acts a little proud cut, but he's a gentleman to people, just wants to run the herd. We've rarely had a stud horse here and the ones we did have I didn't care for until they were gelded. I've known people that can handle studs, they work them every day but Sunday and Monday morning is always a struggle. I've also known an awful lot of women that have studs, as in several, on their place. Invariably they are ill bred, ill mannered, can't be handled and are of no use at all. But the lady thinks she's got a real treasure trove and can't see she's in 10 foot deep over her head. Happens time after time after time. It's almost always women, I don't know why. Only recall one guy like that and he lives just up the road from me. His problem is a massive cranial/rectal inversion.
I have a Jersey cow right now that is what I think every cow should be like. I think she'd milk herself if she could, just to please me! She's a real doll and I'm hoping her daughters take after her. We've had a few bulls. They tasted just fine.
Now, I've had and still have mares that are absolute dolls, just in your pocket, calm, steady girls. I've also had mares that would do their best to kill you. Currently I have a gelding that acts a little proud cut, but he's a gentleman to people, just wants to run the herd. We've rarely had a stud horse here and the ones we did have I didn't care for until they were gelded. I've known people that can handle studs, they work them every day but Sunday and Monday morning is always a struggle. I've also known an awful lot of women that have studs, as in several, on their place. Invariably they are ill bred, ill mannered, can't be handled and are of no use at all. But the lady thinks she's got a real treasure trove and can't see she's in 10 foot deep over her head. Happens time after time after time. It's almost always women, I don't know why. Only recall one guy like that and he lives just up the road from me. His problem is a massive cranial/rectal inversion.
I have a Jersey cow right now that is what I think every cow should be like. I think she'd milk herself if she could, just to please me! She's a real doll and I'm hoping her daughters take after her. We've had a few bulls. They tasted just fine.
When I was a kid, I took a liking to a polled heifer calf and spoiled her a lot. She thought she was special and when she grew up she magically became the herd boss. She could get another other animal to do what she thought I wanted them to do.
Even the bulls learned fast not to give me any trouble - she would put them in their place real fast.
Even the bulls learned fast not to give me any trouble - she would put them in their place real fast.
buickanddeere
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My turkey hens were far more saucy and aggressive than the toms. If a vehicle pulled into the yard they would be there to inspect then peck the visitors .
One buddy walked in carrying a decoy hen under his arm and they went at him beak, wings and claws.
In the hen pen the rooster may strut and fly up close on occasion. It's the hens that will peck when reaching for eggs. I had a cranky oid Amaraucana hen yank my hat off while I was adjusting the waterer. Thought it was a fluke incident until she tried it again the next day. I quit wearing a hunter orange after that.
One buddy walked in carrying a decoy hen under his arm and they went at him beak, wings and claws.
In the hen pen the rooster may strut and fly up close on occasion. It's the hens that will peck when reaching for eggs. I had a cranky oid Amaraucana hen yank my hat off while I was adjusting the waterer. Thought it was a fluke incident until she tried it again the next day. I quit wearing a hunter orange after that.
T in NE
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We had a red holstein bull when I was in jr high- you'd back the trailer up to the gate, drop the door, say "get in Roger", and on he'd walk.
We only had one bull hurt anyone that I can remember, and she deserved it. He stood about 6 foot at the shoulder and she'd step under the neck rail (all 5-3 and 120 pounds of her) at the feed alley and swat him on the head til he went where she wanted him to go. One day his head was down. When he lifted his head he pinned her against the post and cracked 3 ribs.
Out here I'd much rather deal with the bulls than the cows. The bulls get fed 8-9 months a year so they are pretty tame. The cows can be a while 'nother story, especially the ones with the solay blood.
Big thing with cattle is it does you no good to try to work them faster than their own pace. Once you get them worked up they stay worked up. There's usually one guy who the minute he steps in the pen, things go to pot on you.
When we weaned calves last fall we had enough help that he didn't get in with the calves, and amazingly, only one tried kicking us, and it missed.
We only had one bull hurt anyone that I can remember, and she deserved it. He stood about 6 foot at the shoulder and she'd step under the neck rail (all 5-3 and 120 pounds of her) at the feed alley and swat him on the head til he went where she wanted him to go. One day his head was down. When he lifted his head he pinned her against the post and cracked 3 ribs.
Out here I'd much rather deal with the bulls than the cows. The bulls get fed 8-9 months a year so they are pretty tame. The cows can be a while 'nother story, especially the ones with the solay blood.
Big thing with cattle is it does you no good to try to work them faster than their own pace. Once you get them worked up they stay worked up. There's usually one guy who the minute he steps in the pen, things go to pot on you.
When we weaned calves last fall we had enough help that he didn't get in with the calves, and amazingly, only one tried kicking us, and it missed.
Had pasture land rented out.A farmer had 15 or so heifers and one jersey bull in there.That bull was a nasty animal,never charged anyone but was theatening all the time,pawing,head on the ground rubbing in cow s--t, just generally nasty.Comes the fall and time to get the cows out and home.None of the cows gave any problem but that bull wouldn't even come near the trailer,would run off into the trees and watch.Farmer said he'd come back ina few days and Tranq.him if need be.A couple of days later I was back there checking fence on foot and keeping an eye on this critter and he is doing the same with me but he's lonely,no cows to hang with.Pretty soon he's practically in my back pocket,following me everywhere I go,can't shake him,a little uncomfortable with him that close.His nose would touch me sometimes.Farmer came back to try him again with no luckHe did have to Tranq. finally to get him out of there.
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