Needing help on a plow No.39 roll over system

My Dad and I had made up our minds to try to restore this I.H. No. 39 roll over two plow system. I went last week to a tractor shop in my town and order what I thought was it. Instead it came to me as small plow mold board and differnt bolt up measure than the one I have on the plow system. Question to all of you good farmers out there who understand plow knowage. What plows might be inter changeable in replaceing the plows on this system.Mold boad casting are I.H.03075 HO, Frog IH 514813 R2 or PO14895. Yes I need one MOld Board, two land slide and the other bottom part ( I think it a share). That would fix those tow. The other ones are MOld Board IH03074 HO, Have not got these parts taken apart yet but still trying to get them off.Any help will be a big help thanks Brent ( the Riverside so. ca. tractor guy)

The moldboards come up as being for 16" GAU, GAUS or AHGAU bottoms. All were designed as deep-tillage stubble bottoms. GAUS is a "California Package", which is the GAU bottom with an extra brace. AHGAU is the GAU when the rear bottom is equipped with a landside with an adjustable heel. The 2-way plows usually had a long rear landside without a heel, and of the above, only the GAU shows this equipment.

Several shares of different styles and materials, and landsides of different styles and lengths were available. If you wish, I'll list them all. If you're trying to match things up, or replace what you have with the exact same thing, it's probabaly better to see if you can find a part number on what you have first.

Other styles of bottoms were available with LH/RH options. Whether they were designed for or were optional equipment for this plow, I can't say. I'm not really a 2-way plow guru. You used the word "restore" and the correct police are always lurking in the sewers ready to attack at the first sight of being able to pick something apart they didn't put together. :lol:

AG

I think that AG is trying to tell you that the term you should have used is "recondition" since restore means to make as original which is almost impossible to do.

You need a lefthand moldboard.I may have one. Landsides are often 'made' with flat steel,or some guys simply weld an old plowshare to the worn out one.That works,but looks like crap.The old 'blacksmith' shares are getting hard to find,especially in the left side.If you are in an area that uses 2way plows,then your odds of finding parts are increased.You never said if you want to use it,or just show it.They show well,especially in areas that dont use two way plows.Even in less than 'pristine' condition.They are a neat peace of 'antique technology'.

Brent, I think I may have some new front LH landsides (514835R11) and some new rear RH 2-way plow landsides that don't use a heel (514844R21) or aftermarket equivalents for your current bottoms, but I have to excavate 6 or so feet of snow away from my storage trailer first to be certain. I don't think I have any shares or moldboards for these bottoms.

I dug another parts book out. Factory optional equipment bottoms for this plow (as of 1955) were:

GAU: Stubble
HA: General Purpose
HSB: High Speed w/ Chilled Bottom
HSBB: High Speed w/Chilled Bottom
PC: Plow Chief
PCS: Plow Chief Slat Bottom
SA: Slat Bottom
SSL: High Speed Slat Bottom

Perhaps they added the Super Chief bottoms to this list later. I don't know. Those bottoms came out in '56 and my book is from '55. Anyone know when they quit making this plow?

(quoted from post at 19:54:24 01/30/14) I think that AG is trying to tell you that the term you should have used is "recondition" since restore means to make as original which is almost impossible to do.

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It would be restored in my eyes if he put IH Super Chief bottoms or even something like Massey Harris bottoms on it. Unfortunately, I've been told more than once by the correct police that my standards are on the low side, though. :lol: I had a flashback moment back to when someone took time to correct me on a 3 bottom plow I "restored", or so I thought :lol: . There's always a nitpicker and they're usually the type that never take on a project and are always critical of the results of those who do.

I would advise that if the OP ever intends to use the plow is to try and have/keep matching mold and share patterns on it, whatever bottoms they may be.

AG

The long and short of the deal is, you and about 10,000 other people are looking for new or usable parts for old plows.

Unfortunately, they are not manufactured currently, there are no reliable sources for parts, and they are hard to find. Especially the left-hand parts.

You just have to keep your eyes open because you never know where or when parts will come up.

Alternatively, you could find yourself a newer IH plow with "Super Chief" bottoms, and transplant them on to your #39.

You say you might have a left moldboard I would like to ask how much money do you want for it.These plows I have are 16 inch not the 14 inch and you can email me at [email protected] please make subject plows thank you Brent

I have made three differnt tries to get these types of mold boards and plows. I have almost come to my mind to change over to a new plows on the system. What I am looking for is a cross refferance that might go on to the roll over system.Thanks Brent

I did not think about Recondition I am a person who at one time did the task of restoreing. My hobbies at one time was doing old muscle cars and doing old trucks. The problem came when Ca. D.M.V starting to demand back fees on all cars and trucks in regestration fees. We in california pay for those in well fare by renewing or car fees. 60% of that goes to well fare. So I got in to farm equipment and I try to do a restoration first then a recondition is secound. Yes I do understand what your saying. I am trying to find some body first who might have these parts around and would like to sell them. Thanks Brent

I first would like to say thank you I wish right now I had a printer hooked up to print it out but I do not. My first intention was to spend not alot of money on this but try to find some body out here who might want to sell the stuff I needed. My dad is 84 years old and wants these plows for the farmall m I brought to him last year. I had got these plows 6 years ago in a tractor Auction here in town. He knows I have them and he asked me to fix them up and bring them to him. He has nothing to plow but I do not ask why I will try to get them done and bring them up for the tractor. Respecting my dads wishes. Thank you Brent

(quoted from post at 16:44:40 01/31/14) I have made three differnt tries to get these types of mold boards and plows. I have almost come to my mind to change over to a new plows on the system. What I am looking for is a cross refferance that might go on to the roll over system.Thanks Brent

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You can swap the complete bottom assembly out to another style of bottom (like those types mentioned in my earlier post, and perhaps more). You would have to find the frogs, bracing/supports, and all of the wear parts that bolt to that frog. This will be no simple or inexpensive feat unless you find a "donor plow" (could be most any IH 2-way, roll-over, or "tumblebug" plow) with both left- and right-handed parts that are at least present, and preferably usable. The donor plow may or may not have the same style of bottoms you now have. The vast majority of all of the wear parts and frogs for those styles of bottoms I listed in my earlier post (including your bottom style), with the exception of "Super Chief" bottoms, have been discontinued for years or even decades by IH/CIH and by most aftermarket wear parts suppliers. Buying 4 new Super Chief frogs and all of the associated parts needed new from CIH would likely run $600+ per bottom, if all of the parts needed would still be available.


Here's wear part numbers that should fit the bottom style you have, based on part numbers you've provided (as of 1968):

16" Shares:
RH, "Regular Cut", O562 (Chilled); OB562 (solid or soft center steel); 523044R92 (solid steel, hard surfaced)
RH, "Alfalfa Cut", OB586 (solid steel); 526240R92 (solid steel, hard surfaced)
LH, "Regular Cut", O563 (Chilled); OA563 (solid or soft center steel); 523045R92 (solid steel, hard surfaced)
LH, "Alfalfa Cut", OA587 (solid steel); 526241R92 (solid steel, hard surfaced)

16" Moldboards:
RH, O3074
LH, O3075

16" Landsides:
RH, Front/Short, 514836R11; Rear, long, no heel, for 2-way plow, 514844R21; Rear, medium length w/heel, 514837R11; Rear, long w/ non-adj. heel, O2140; Rear, long, w/adjustable heel, 519348R11
LH, Front/short, 514835R11, Rear, long, no heel, for 2-way plow, 514845R11; Rear, medium length w/heel, Not Available; Rear, long w/ non-adj. heel, O2041; Rear, long, w/adjustable heel, 519719R11

Heels for landsides (when used):
RH, Non-Adj. heel, for long landside, PO2465; Non-Adj. heel, for med. landside, PO327A, Adjustable heel, 519347R3
LH, Non-Adj. heel, PO2529; Adjustable heel, 519446R2

Your frog number was also used on a "GA" stubble bottom. Some of the wear parts had other part numbers on those bottoms. The shares appear to be the same, as are some of the landsides. Some of the landsides are different. The moldboards are different, as are the support braces. The moldboard could be similar, or could be dissimilar than those you have, and without the GA bottom bracing, the moldboards may not bolt up properly without modification.



AG