what's the real reason????

RandyB(MI)

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what's the real reason why ,in the supposedly greatest country in the world ,that one cannot find/buy a high quality 22 LR round without camping out at the store?? I don't mean the cheap hollow points or low grade lead round nose ( which are also almost impossible to find also) but a high grade copper plated round nose HV like CCI etc. It's not even an issue of price but they just aren't available. I've heard about every story in the book as to why. Usually,in this country, when there is a demand, suppliers step up and fill it. What gives??
 
second admendment guarantees right to keep and bare arms. says nothing about govt making amno hard or even impossible to buy
 
I was in a local store today, they had all kinds of .22. Maybe it's a local thing? Not enough profit margin on it?
 
22 is the most common firearm there is so make that hard first. Just wait if they see one type of ammo start going out the door like 22 ammo does they will start buying it also. Yep it is the gov who has bought up the 22 ammo so the people do not have it.
 
While you are buying "most anything else" find me some Winchester .17 WSM rimfire. I'd be interested in a few boxes at an affordable price. Dale
 
Local Gander Mountain had some CCI this morning. $7.99 per hundred. Usually get ammo in on Thursday evenings, last two weeks nothing, last night a few boxes of the CCI.
 
Pull up MidwayUSA and your will find that they are not expecting anything from anywhere from 4 to 11 MONTHS. Some brands of 22's you can go ahead and back order or have them send an email when available.
 
A buddy of mine was in Scheele's sporting goods store right before Christmas. This buddy is also a very good friend of the manager of the store. The manager pulled a couple hundred rounds of .22 from the back room and gave it to my buddy so that he could buy it. The manager told him that they always have some hidden in the back to give to their favorite customers. My buddy thanked the manager and on his way to the cash register asked several of the Scheele's employees if they had any .22 ammo. Each employee told him that they don't have any. He then asked each employee if they were sure that they don't have it hidden in the back room to give to their "favorite" or "special" customers. Each employee told his that they were completely out and that they had absolutely no .22 ammo at all in the store.
My local WM has a huge sign taped to their ammo rack that lists the ammo that they are out of. Of course, .22 ammo is at the top of the list and this list hasn't been moved or taken down for over a year. I'm guessing that the manager also has a few good friends.
 
You can get it, just have to spend a lot of time on the web looking. I've bought thousands of them since this "shortage " started. You just have to be quick when it says in stock. It sells out in a couple minutes. Fyi, midwayusa is a joke. I've had stuff back ordered on there since early fall and they just keep pushing the date back. Gander mountain and Cabelas stock it almost every week.
 
I got 8 boxes of 17 Win Super Mag last week but 18.75 a box. This was the 20 grain stuff. Borch's in Marshall, Minn had 22 shells but I never paid attention to price.
Scheels seems to hide their popular ammo for their preferred customers.
Runnings in Marshall had some 17 B-mags but there is a few people buying it up as soon as it hits the shelves.
 
When you see adds posted on sites like Armslist where some guy is selling several thousand rounds for about half again what the actual cost is, and actually telling you that your paying the extra to buy what he has because he made quite a few trips to the store and came home empty handed. Basically he wasted his gas making multiple trips for ammo he had no use for, and not wants you to pay for his gas, time, and markup for the ammo that you actually need, you"ll understand the problem. Well, actually that"s not so much of a problem as the idiots that buy from him and give him the incentive to screw over even more people.

That said out local WalMarts have really started getting ammo back on their shelves. Granted the .22 is sill scarce, but finding the 100 round boxes of 9mm, .40, and .45 target ammo are common once again. I was in one of their stores yesterday that I don't usually go in, and they had more than half a shelf of the 9mm hollow points....at like $23 for a box of 20.
 
Local (45 mi away) WM had about 10 boxes of 22 Rem. Limit 3 boxes. Old price. Glad to get 3 boxes. I bought 3 grandsons a 22 Henry Lever action and they needed what I bought.
 
That's exactly what barry and nancy want you to believe. Its not hoarding its gov't interference. The most common gun owned is probably the 22 so make that the hardest to get and make it look like you and I caused the shortage. Plus the mfrs are going to put their production into the bigger more profitable calibers.
 
Are ammunition manufactures actually loading as much .22 and other ammo as they did 20 years ago?
Have the production lines been re-tooled for 5.56x45, 7.62x51, 12 gauge and 9mm ? And regular calibers are out of or in limited production?
Or is it simply a matter of hoarding?
 
(quoted from post at 19:14:16 01/24/14) what's the real reason why ,in the supposedly greatest country in the world ,that one cannot find/buy a high quality 22 LR round without camping out at the store?? I don't mean the cheap hollow points or low grade lead round nose ( which are also almost impossible to find also) but a high grade copper plated round nose HV like CCI etc. It's not even an issue of price but they just aren't available. I've heard about every story in the book as to why. Usually,in this country, when there is a demand, suppliers step up and fill it. What gives??

B-maniac,
Not just one reason but a lot of people have been hanging out at WM when they know the ammo shipment arrives and buying it all up to put on Gunbroker or other sites to sell at highly inflated prices. Good old American Capitalism at work there. I resent it, because it leaves nothing for the folks that just want to shoot, but making a profit is, after all, the American way.
The other main reason is that the everyday 'Joe' has done without for so long, that when 'Joe' finds some, he buys all he can get also.

The gubbermint was buying bunches of .40 caliber handgun ammo. Not so much with .22s.

The supply is slowly coming back. I am seeing some in stores that have had bare shelves for many months

Myron
 
Because We the people are increasingly disengaged from our government.
If everyone here wrote their rants about not being able to find their favorite bullets to their elected representatives something might be done.
But we'd rather post on a tractor board.
So nothing is done.
 
Because we've turned into a country of idiots, we cant hardly make anything here anymore, we can't think for ourselfs, and most don't pay attention to anything around them. I know how you feel.
 

Last I heard it was Barry and Michelle..

We all know that they DO whatever they want, "we will discus the legality Later"...definite SOP for this administration..

Ron.
 
No big secret. Demand is artificially high, driven by hoarders and regular buyers who snatch everything off the shelf as soon as it arrives at the store. Rimfire production lines are running at capacity to meet demand. Manufacturers don't want to spend millions of dollars to add new capacity, knowing that the shortage is temporary and they'll be stuck with unused capacity once the shortage is over.
 
So you're saying Big Government should tell private industry what to do? You want your congressman to get on the phone to Winchester/Remington/ATK, et al and tell them to step up production?
 
Funny you say that. Here in NY we have done that hundreds of thousands of people have signed a petition, twice now I believe, opposing and calling for the safe act to be repealed. There is no doubt that the tragic event in CT, and our diligent higher political office seeking elected ignorant governor, who only represents certain people, not those who are law abiding citizens, whom pay taxes like everyone else, is responsible for causing the panic and subsequent hoard. All knowingly, he knew this up front, how could you not, when considering the effects of such laws at the drafting stage. We've had several town hall meetings with a senator that opposes and seeks the repeal of the law which is an infringement of the 2nd amendment of the U.S. constitution. Its going to the supreme court, not sure how it will fare, but as you suggest, use the system, well we are on the threshold right now, lets just see if the system works and reflects the proper representation of the citizens that vehemently oppose this new law. The tinder and vast amount of fuel was already in place, all it took was some scrawny little deranged person, to act, he did, government uses that for leverage, dictates to the citizens, restricts, impedes or otherwise conflicts with the 2nd amendment to the U.S. constitution, people panic, and what was once a normal, (define normal?) situation, becomes panic, same as when bad weather is predicted, shelves are empty, happens every time. Governor took advantage of that scenario, it rides the coat tails of these laws, he also took advantage and misrepresented a whole bunch of decent citizens.

You'll never eradicate evil people, its a curse and an embedded complexity of the human race. However, with applied leadership, in areas where its needed the most, like firearm education, safety training, the youth in our society would highly benefit, its plainly evident that while firearms are sensationalized on one side, on the other its gone the way of the standard transmission, kids are not properly educated at an age they should be about firearms. Leadership would also apply means and methods to mitigate, prevent and intimidate anyone considering targeting a school or other vulnerable public place, we do not have any effective leadership. Whether it takes trained professionals or whatever tactic, we have to eliminate the potential targets of these people, educate them, steer potential "Lanza" types from acting, its people not guns. I suppose with the advance of society and increase in population, the frequency of that kind of evil also increases in proportion, that is the immediate threat, gun control has no effect on this. So now we have a serious dilemma and in our state, all the darned governor talks about is factions of the opposing or other main party, conservative moderate this or that, and how they can't find their identity, way too much politics, in our case this person needs to be voted out this year, that is about the only option people have using the system, if it does not happen, we have long hard times ahead when it comes to being able to get some lousy .22 ammunition to mitigate varmints and nuisance animals around ones farm or home, forget target practice or recreation, thats all done for now.


Way back when, the government funded and supplied JROTC/ROTC, adolescent teens were trained by military instructors about weapons, marksmanship and all the rest, this was a good program and it trained young people ahead of time, prior to active duty or other military service, I experienced 4 years of it myself. At age 14, I was training with M16 A1's 203 grenade launcher, M60 and the 1911 .45 by an active duty U.S. Army Ranger, live and practice fire, as well as all the other training, it was offered at our school and coordinated with the national guard armory nearby. Best education on firearms you could get at that age. We displayed these weapons on open house days/nights, there are photos in the yearbooks, it was part of the school and the education. Anyone of us could have gone rogue, used or sourced live ammunition when not at the range, and mind you we did get some nice range time at West Point, did that twice. No longer allowed I look back at our school, that was real training by demonstrated leaders in our military, our first instructor completed several tours in Vietnam, wounded, so was our 2nd instructor, another was an active duty drill sergeant, thats what the youth needs today, leadership. These guys would PT you until you wanted to quit, all across the board all the training was building men, like the motto of our school, which was just boys, (of course now both men and women, gender really don't matter, both should be able to experience this early education and training) This system was beneficial, and it was funded by a government that was supported by the people.
They don't allow this kind of training anymore, and we are getting real soft on things like this, which should not be.
 
I'm not sure if rimfire cartidges like .22 caliber can be reloaded. The primer under the rim would have to be replaced somehow. If the firing pin strikes the same dented place twice will they still fire?

Can rimfire cartidges be be reloaded? Does anyone here reload them?
 

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