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Mark - IN.
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Is brand new. Only Winchester makes the rounds for a rifle that only Savage makes. The .17 Super Magnum was their joint effort alone. If you have problems with varmints going after livestock, it is said to be really good at curing the problem.
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waltdavies
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Not sure what the 17 Win mag is but the Remington 17 is a 223 necked down to 17 I ha e the Wild cat 17/223 it's a great rifle out to 200 yards and beyond 4000 FPS. can bring down a javelin with one shot.
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buickanddeere
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.17 Mach 2( necked down .22 rimfire)
.17 Hornady Magnum(necked down .22 rimfire magnum)
.17 Winchester Super Magnum( necked down .27cal nailgun)
5 mm Remington Rimfire Magnum(high pressure version of .17HMR . Heavy bullet & modest velocity.
Can't warmup to the .17/5mm rimfires located between the .22 rimfire and the .223/5.56X45 .
MarkB_MI
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Why would you buy another 17 rimfire if you already have a 17 HMR? 22-250 and .223 are both quite adequate for coyotes; 17 rimfire cartridges are not.
17 rimfires are great for manufacturers who are always trying to come up with something new to sell to the already saturated gun buyers market. They're not so great for the folks who buy them. If you're going to go the 17 caliber route, do yourself a favor: go with a centerfire caliber and plan on handloading.
I have a T-C Contender rifle with a custom barrel in .17 Remington Fireball. It's deadly medicine on woodchucks. I haven't had a chance to try it on a coyote, but it should certainly be an order of magnitude better than any rimfire. Factory 17 Fireball ammo is exorbitantly priced, but the round is quite inexpensive to handload.
17 rimfires are great for manufacturers who are always trying to come up with something new to sell to the already saturated gun buyers market. They're not so great for the folks who buy them. If you're going to go the 17 caliber route, do yourself a favor: go with a centerfire caliber and plan on handloading.
I have a T-C Contender rifle with a custom barrel in .17 Remington Fireball. It's deadly medicine on woodchucks. I haven't had a chance to try it on a coyote, but it should certainly be an order of magnitude better than any rimfire. Factory 17 Fireball ammo is exorbitantly priced, but the round is quite inexpensive to handload.
GeneMO
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15 years from now will you be able to get ammo for it??
That is why I never wanted one of the muzzleloaders that took those little plastic discs to hold the primer, figured that in 20 or 30 years they would not be available then you have nothing but a wall hanger.
My son bought a 300 Remington Short Action Ultra Mag. Hard to find ammo for that.
I'll stick with the old standbys, and with the shortage of rimfire ammo recently, I would not buy anything I cant reload for.
But that is just me.
Gene
That is why I never wanted one of the muzzleloaders that took those little plastic discs to hold the primer, figured that in 20 or 30 years they would not be available then you have nothing but a wall hanger.
My son bought a 300 Remington Short Action Ultra Mag. Hard to find ammo for that.
I'll stick with the old standbys, and with the shortage of rimfire ammo recently, I would not buy anything I cant reload for.
But that is just me.
Gene
waltdavies
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My 17/223 wildcat is the same thing only my neck is half the length. You buy old military ammo and make your own from them that's what I do.
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I was a holdout for the 17hmr for a couple of years until my my dad bought a anschutz in 17hmr. Let me tell you the what, the round is amazing, a 22 mag or hornet don't even come close as far as accuracy I own both and many of each. I now have a anschutz and a cooper in 17hmr. No joking, you can shoot bugs off of paper targets at 100 yards. Although I wouldn't consider it a yote gun, it is deadly on squirrels. Head shots only.
GeneMO
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I had the opportunity to go prairie dog hunting a few years back with a bunch of so called professionals. They seemed to know their stuff. They had all taken out the .17's the previous year, dumped them and came back the next year with their normal .223's and .22 mags. They liked the .22 mags over the .17's.
I dont know all of the whys etc. but that is what they did. I had never been, and I had my .223 and .22 mag. I honestly had more fun with the .22 mag.
We shot so danged many dogs that I actually got tired of it and stayed behind one afternoon and read and took pictures.
Gene
If you shoot a lot and want another type of .17, you would be better off in the long run to do as others said and get a small center fire (like a .17 Hornet) that can be reloaded. I have a .22 magnum rifle, but I can reload for my .22 Hornets for less price than the 22 mag ammo now costs and the old Hornet round with the new bullets is quite a step up over a 22 magnum. Also, Walt"s .17/223 sounds like a nice varmint round and .223 brass is readily available.
Myself, for coyotes, I use .22-250 and .243.
Myself, for coyotes, I use .22-250 and .243.
MarkB_MI
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Walt, actually I have a .17 Remington FIREBALL, not a .17 Remington. It's based on the .22 Fireball case and is very similar to the older .17 Mach IV. I think it gives up a couple hundred fps to the bigger 17s like your 17/223, but uses a lot less powder. I went with the Fireball because the big cartridges have a reputation for being rough on barrels, not that I'll ever shoot enough to wear one out.
I could form my cases from .223, but it would be a lot of work and I'd probably give up some case capacity. Right now I have enough factory brass to last my lifetime, although it's nice to have that option in a pinch.
I could form my cases from .223, but it would be a lot of work and I'd probably give up some case capacity. Right now I have enough factory brass to last my lifetime, although it's nice to have that option in a pinch.
When you go out looking for guns, remember a few things- the latest, greatest super whizz bang tactical magnum (they are ALL magnums these days!) is probably a real nice round. Thing is, are you going to be able to get ammo in 5 years or 10 years or 20 years? At one time the 222 Magnum was all the rage, now you can't hardly find an single box of ammo. The 9mm Federal was all the rage for about a month, no ammo now. 8mm Remington Mag, all the rage for about a year, very hard to find ammo for. there's a whole mess of 40 cal rounds not produced any more. How about a 7x61 Sharpe and Hart? Seen that on your dealers shelf lately? A few years back the Short Mags were THE thing, followed by SUPER Short Mags...only 1 or 2 are available now. 307 and 356 Winchester, great idea, hard to get.
Point is, if you intend on keeping your guns, and I never sell any I get it seems, can you be assured of ammo int he future? You can hardly get 22 LR now, same for 16 and 410 and a lot of other "great ideas". Meanwhile, the 22-250 is out there today along side the 30-06 and 308. Unless it's reloadable and you reload, keep this in mind.
The 22-250 will do a better job either way.
Point is, if you intend on keeping your guns, and I never sell any I get it seems, can you be assured of ammo int he future? You can hardly get 22 LR now, same for 16 and 410 and a lot of other "great ideas". Meanwhile, the 22-250 is out there today along side the 30-06 and 308. Unless it's reloadable and you reload, keep this in mind.
The 22-250 will do a better job either way.
old popper
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Mark, I have one, I love it. The problem being availability of ammo. I can get all I want, on Gun Broker for around $30 per 50 rd box. That alone makes .223 look pretty economical. Until this ammo shortage eases up, the reloadables look better. PS My standby varmit gun that I love the best is a Savage.....in .22/250 Rem.
My friend has a .218 bee, it was his dads, its a Winchester 43 if I recall, I've shot it, seems like a nice varmint rifle, can't believe what they list for today. He also has a .17, I think its a centerfire, I shot it, but its been since '07, tack driver, I nailed a penny at 100 yds, punched a hole through it, thinking back also have a quarter, with a hole in it might have been that one I saved them both.
I have a 22 WMR in a Marlin 783 and that seems to be very accurate. Its really interesting with all these variants, combined with the typical uses for them, as well as the conditions, I think I'd take the .218 for longer shots, .22 WMR for most var-minting within its effective range, and the .17 for same, but with no wind. Final choice given ammo considerations. 22wmr wins for me. They're all light, lot of things to consider, nice to see absolutely no .22 wmr available at this time, the whole ammo situation lately really stinks !
I have a 22 WMR in a Marlin 783 and that seems to be very accurate. Its really interesting with all these variants, combined with the typical uses for them, as well as the conditions, I think I'd take the .218 for longer shots, .22 WMR for most var-minting within its effective range, and the .17 for same, but with no wind. Final choice given ammo considerations. 22wmr wins for me. They're all light, lot of things to consider, nice to see absolutely no .22 wmr available at this time, the whole ammo situation lately really stinks !
Dean Olson
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I have played with too many guns over the years and ballistically they overlap in a huge way. As an example the difference between a 130 grain 270 and a 140 grain 280 is minuscule yet guys will say one it the miracle round and the other won't work at all.
I don't worry about ammo. I'll either buy in bulk or reload. The .22lr can't be bought in Houston right now and it's probably the most common/popular in history.
My experience with the .17's is they are hard on the barrel with fouling and erosion. Wind seems to affect them more. They do splatter varmints much more spectacularly. Very cool in that respect. I do believe a marginal shot will dispatch faster. I now shoot my .22lr and when thats not enough go to a .223. Varmints are not any less dead with a hit from a .17 or .22-250
I don't worry about ammo. I'll either buy in bulk or reload. The .22lr can't be bought in Houston right now and it's probably the most common/popular in history.
My experience with the .17's is they are hard on the barrel with fouling and erosion. Wind seems to affect them more. They do splatter varmints much more spectacularly. Very cool in that respect. I do believe a marginal shot will dispatch faster. I now shoot my .22lr and when thats not enough go to a .223. Varmints are not any less dead with a hit from a .17 or .22-250
Ron Anderson
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I bought one last July and shells were supposed to follow in a couple weeks. Two months went by and no shells anywhere. Finally bought one box at robbery price just to see how it would shoot. It wouldn't eject the empty shell. Pull it out 1/4 inch and quit. Sent it back and they replaced it with another new one. The second has a stock that was molded wrong and looks awful. Boyds Gun Stocks of Mitchell SD are making replacements.
It is supposed to be a lot better then the 17hmr butI can't vouch for that. If I had it to do over I would have bought a 22 250. I also have 22 rimfire, 17hmr, 223. 243, 12 gauge and black powder 50 cal. They all do what I want but I guess I am a small time collector.
I think the people who write for gun magazines bragging about it also had a job in the political arena.
It is supposed to be a lot better then the 17hmr butI can't vouch for that. If I had it to do over I would have bought a 22 250. I also have 22 rimfire, 17hmr, 223. 243, 12 gauge and black powder 50 cal. They all do what I want but I guess I am a small time collector.
I think the people who write for gun magazines bragging about it also had a job in the political arena.
old popper
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The .17 WSM will blow the doors off the .17 HMR. But until this ammo crunch eases up the only ammo you can get is from the scalpers. It is a nice gun and a tack driver, but if I have to pay centerfire prices for rim fire ammo the 17 WSM can sit in the safe.
DaninKansas
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If you are shooting coyotes go with your first choice the 22-250 or the 223. If you want to shoot targets you might think about the 17 win super mag - bt only if you reload or have lots of money to spend on ammo - or if you just don't target shoot much.
AR15 rifles are back in the $600 range and a few of the cheaper ones are in the $500 range (DPMS with no forward assist). If the 17 Win super mag is successful in a few yours you'll be able to buy an upper for $300 that shoots it.
AR15 rifles are back in the $600 range and a few of the cheaper ones are in the $500 range (DPMS with no forward assist). If the 17 Win super mag is successful in a few yours you'll be able to buy an upper for $300 that shoots it.
BushogPapa
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That new .17 Super Mag is RIM-FIRE and the cases cannot be reloaded..
My HMR disappointed a lot, until I started doing this ONE thing...
I have a piece of adhesive sand paper on my work desk and sand the Point off square to about a 3/64" flat tip..
NO, it Devastates groundhogs and they do not run back to their holes..!
Accuracy.??
I use a .45 Caliber bullet hole in a 55 gal drum at 100 yards and have no trouble keeping that hole pristine..!!
Mine is a Savage HMR Bull-Barrell, and a good scope..
I re-work my own triggers/Sears, finishing with oil and Crocus Cloth to a mirror finish.
NO trigger "creep", they just "Break"..
Ron..
BushogPapa
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The .223 and New CFE Powder (Copper Fouling Eraser) is about all you need out to 250-300 yards.
I had always been partial to IMR 3031 (Full Case) under a 40gr Ballistic Tip.
Those rascals Blow up and don't travel though a Groundhog..(instant lights-Out!).
Brass is everywhere and they are easy to re-load..
Ron
Bill in Colo
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My next rifle will a 17 Hornet in a Savage walking varminter . I'm partial to 22 Hornets, but also like my 17 HMR. During the ammo shortage the HMR's were always available locally.
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