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Allan in NE

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I've worked myself right down to this nasty job.

Had the tire man out yesterday filling the Hydro 70 with calcium and I asked his opinion.....he says just to 'manhandle' 'em.

The duals have to be switched side to side and that's a heck of a lot of tire fer a scrawny little feller like me. :(

Is there a better way?

Thanks,

Allan

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I have done it with a loader and a chain, that was 14.9/38s that were calcium loaded. I had to "manhandle" them a few times and it was a little challenging but as long as I didn't tip it them I was fine. Of course yours are bigger and heavier anyway.
Zach
 
One thing I forgot to add, once or twice I tipped them a little as I was rolling them and once they get tilted to a certain place I just let go and rapidly got out of the way since there was no way I could let them down gently.
Zach
 
I use two chains and loop around each side using the tire lugs for the chains to hook on, takes a few trys to get them to hang like you want but I have used this method many times
cnt
 
I dunno, I never had one with solid centers like that. I would think it would be hard to get the chain to stay in place, would a flat strap maybe work better?
Zach
 
Wouldn't look real nice but I'd torch a hole in the center near the side and then I could put the end of the bale spear in it or run a chain thru and get them with a loader or overhead crane.Better to look a little rough than getting hurt or worse handling them.
 
Once you get 'em unbolted you could throw a log chain thru the hole and use your loader? Trouble is, with the hole at center they may want to tip. Have someone walk along and keep em upright?
 
Okay,

But, if you hear a high pitched squealing noise comeing from the high plains of NE, that will be me. :>)

Allan
 
Would not work for a tire that has a fender over the top but for the duald just make a clamp that fits over the tire and will hook inside and clamp on the rim, then a chain on a loader.
 
I have used my bale carrier as well by removing the spear, but it is much harder to roll them to line up bolt holes, the chain sling method works well for this as if you are not correct you set them back down lean them against the tractor and slightly move each chain to a different lug, pick up and tire will rotate, use two people for best safety I do it alone a lot but I have done it for 30 years this way also
 
I think I would have let the tire man manhandle them.

If they centers are like mine and 1/2 to 5/8 thick them suckers is heavy.

Gary
 
I have a forklift attachment that fits a skid steer or my loader. I just put the forks under the tire and a a chain or strap around the tire to keep them from tipping. My tires are big 42 inch rims. BTW do not try to put them on by yourself.
 
Not sure if you have forks for your loaders or not. We use are skid steer and forks to put the duals on. We drive up on two 2x8 laying flat and put two or three square bales on the forks so the tire has something to lean against,drive up to the husband from the seat you can just about line up the hub and daul. We also put the hay on the forks as a guide to not let the forks damaged the main tire. Just enough fork to pick and move the tire. That hay fork set up on your m might work for ya. That's what I would use..my 2 cents.
 
Got no how-to advice, but you might tell the wife like I tell mine, when I am handling tractor tire removal/installation:

"Honey, if"n you hear a commotion kinda like the Jolly Green Giant running a giant rolling pin over the Pillsbury Dough-Boy, then call 911 "cause this ole" Dough-Boy is gonna be in a heap of trouble!"
 
(quoted from post at 11:08:45 01/04/14) Thought about that too. Kinda like an oversized ice tong?

Allan
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logging/skidding tongs should work if you don't mind scratching the wheels up some
 
12.4-28 are too heavy for me, If I need to move mine I will make that clamp. I have an overhead hoist beam with 2 chain hoists I use on it and one could lift the wheel to change wheel tread,(on the little Fords have to reverce wheel tread for changing tread width for things like a cultivator), the other to lift the side of the tractor to be able to turn the axle to align the bolts. Years ago I saw pictures of a setup like this.
 
Perhaps if I tilt that tote down 'bout 20° to keep the points out of the other tire. Then chain the tire to the tote frame?

Don't know why they mounted 'em that way, unless it was to fit the transport maybe.

Allan

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If you have a tire chzin, put it under the tire and pull up the loose ends toward the top of the tire. With a regular chain hook the ends to your bale spear and lift. You mey need a spreader bar to spread the chains so you can clesr the fender with the spear above the fender.
 
You missed your chance when the tire guy was already there and had the service call charged already. With the air jack and big impacts he would have done it in 15 minutes.

Never hurts to hire some help for big and heavy jobs and don't try to mess with them on slick snow or ice. They will hurt you bad if they fall on you.
 
Allen,

Forgive me for being dumb, but what is the reason for switching the tires to the other side? They appear to be going the right direction now.
Bill
 
I do mine with a forklift, with the forks up against the top, inside of the rim. But I've never had to get a hold of one from the wrong side! In this case I think I would get a fork positioned in the center hole to catch the wheel as it tips off, carry it to a wall where I could set it off, turn it around, and get hold if it like I usually do.
 
You got it you can look and see they were run the other way, they just pulled them to haul it. What ever you try just be careful and do not let one get on you. Would break a man up. Looks like it will be a day or too if the weather gets like they are calling for up your way. You will live that 88 series tractor. CHECK the bearings on the fan shaft at front of radiator.
 
If there is enough room to get a couple of ratchet straps between them, I would remove the forks on the bale tote ( be nice if it fit on front loader) and suck them up against the flat frame. at least they wouldn't tip and fall on you.

Might have to use a couple of prybars to line the lug holes back up.

Let us know how you do it.
 
I would put a hole in the wheel center, right near the rim. Safest way to do it, you don"t have to quit supporting the tire til you have a bolt or two holding it to the hub. The ice tong idea would work as well if you don"t mind the scratches.
Boss had a mechanism made to slide on the fork lift, with rollers to hold the tire. It didn"t work well, but may have if the rollers were (waayyyy) bigger.
 
I know it's too late now old friend but I would have had the selling dealer switch them for me before I took possession...

As to your current problem, I have forks for my skid loader so I just grab them that way. I am younger though so I can still handle a bit of labor ;P

Casey in SD
 
I have a silage bale grab that I use on the skid steer to handle anything up to a 34" tire. That... I'd probably use a bale spear in the pilot.

Rod
 
Like most farms.....he'll be out again soon enough!
:)

I used to play with 38 inchers with no problems but the 42 and bigger, I get a helper as I am older and crippled up and don't need to be worse off than I am now.
 
Ratchet strap around the tire with a short 5/16 chain under the strap for a loop. Hook the chain to a loader and lift.
And on the plus side, you get to test the seals in the loader rams too.
 
I worked 22 years at the old shop where you could not get a tractor in with the duals on. So, depending on what work was to be done, at least one dual had to come off outside. I did them my self. Just a bottle jack and an air wrench. Didn't want any help as that was dangerous.

Of course, tires are larger now and those deep off set rims make it a lot tougher. If they are loaded, all bets are off man handling them.
 
I know you say you want them switched around, but running them close together the way they are now, it will turn a whole lot better than when they are spaced apart. It looks like that dual mount is set way wide, unless you plan to move that hub in once the dual is off. When they are spaced wide they will definately go through a lot more mud, but I don't think I have ever seen any mud pictures from you. My 1466's and 1586 don't turn around the corners when duals are on and especially when they are set in a wide stance, makes for a lot of brake work. Your tractor, just thought I would give you my 2 cents before you go through all the work and you don't like it, stay warm out there.
 
I assumed all the newer rims had that extra offset hole in the centre to hook a chain in to carry and install. Thats what most of the Magnums here have including my 7130. I am assuming nobody runs with fluid in the outer duals . Wider spacing is good as I don't know how you would clean the mud out when they pack full of it. I've removed and installed my 20.8 38s myself. Just the front end loader and a chain hook through that extra hole in the rim I mentioned earlier. Get the wheel leaning up against the hub and then use a crow bar to rotate the dual til alignment is good. Helps to drive the inner wheel onto a piece of 2x10 so you have room to work.
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let the tire guy with hoist and ice tong style clamp just loosen lift and swing.i used to have tong style grapple used with forklift extensions to do that with. sold it though. do not try those by hand. i hand that same tractor for one season i couldn't take the ride,otherwise it was okay. now don't own any except 1988 4450 jd mfwd. As of first of year it now is also for sale if anyone interested.
 
Can you get it close enough to a building, unbolt them and lean it against a wall then turn the tractor around and be careful leaning it back on. You've have to twist them around so the dish would be in.
 
They've got to be changed.

There's only an inch of space between the rubber at the ground and no room to get between the rims the way they are.

Also, both valve stems are on the inside where the mud here in the spring is going to bust 'em off.

This is how they should be mounted.

Allan

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Yea, if the valve stems are toward each other, you are out of luck with them that way. She'll be sitting wide once switch them, take care.
 
Allan, I have been out all day and just now seeing your post. My thoughts.......................
I have had! a 20.8X42get away from and fall on Me! You Do not want this to happen to you! I was about 30 yrs old when it happened, it got away from me and pinned me underneath! No one to help but my brain to tell me how to worm out from under It! was waaaayyyyy Younger Stronger and in better condition!!
Seeing your Shed in the back ground.......
Your tire man is correct Manhandle them, Go Get Help!, Hire, Beg, Borrow, Steal, the help you need! But if you are bent on the solo, Loan Ranger deal here goes.................
Let the barn side help You by being a safety catch if it gets away from you.
4, 2x10s or 12s laid flat, in a ramp fashion with 8inches or so between each board........--->
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In this fashion. Placed underneath the inside Dual and driven up on just till the Outside Dual clears the ground. Buzz off the lug bolts let the wheel pop of the hub and lean it up against the Barn!
Drive tractor off the blocks, Turn tractor around and repeat the above procedure. With the barn there to catch and hold the tire you are never too far out of position if that big tire and wheel gets away from you.
Then reposition the block in-front of the correct tire. drive up on the ramp just till the tractor lifts up slightly. At this point the dual should match up to the hub, in height. A 3ft length of 1.5in cheater pipe is just about right to spin the wheel to align the wheels holes to Hubs replace studs tight snugly.
Repeat this procedure on the opposite side then get the tractor off the ramp of 2xs! Torque the Lug bolts and off you go!
Using Great Care in handling these tires is Paramount! Hope this helps!
Later,
John A.
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PS... This may be too detailed, but the content is be careful, use you head and think it out. Keep your Cell Phone in you pocket so it can be gotten even if the worse happens.
 
Could you use a set of tire chains. Wouldn't have to fit perfect. Stretch them out, drive over, pull them up in place as best you can. Use a chain or strap to pick them up. Lean them against a round bale. Go to the other side of the bale and pick them back up. Just a though, may not work.
Angle Iron
 
Allan, Take off the tires and lean them against the barn, Then ""Turn the tractor Around"" and align up to the appropriate tire. the tractor turns around thus in theory swapping sides on the tractor with the Duals.
The Duals never get over 4 feet from the barn wall...at any time
Rotate the tractor not the Duals. Hope I explained this better.
Later,
John A.
 

When you get the dual off the hub you're going to need to suspend tire/wheel upright so as to get the lift on the opposite side of tire to re-install.
 
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