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Unless and until the EPA certifies this fuel for meeting emission standards in older engines, it isn't going to happen.
In order for this fuel to be made widely available, it will require labelling to prevent misfueling into vehicles that are not certified to use this fuel.

This talk has been circulating for at least the last 3 years, and it still has not happened.
 
(quoted from post at 07:45:53 12/23/13) New gas is coming to your gas stations that can ruin your engine if your vehicle is older than a 2012. Here's a link to the video. Hal
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It will NOT ruin your engine, but the computer will not like it, simply because the computer has been programmed to not like it. The EPA has a political agenda that has nothing to do with protecting our environment.
 
It will not hurt your engine.Have run up E20 in 91 Ford pickup with NO problems.It is Big oil not wanting to give up any share of the gas industy.
 
i hope not,i wont own anything built after 1985, ive had several, and all were junk,cheaply made and trouble prone ,older stuff was built to work, not just look pretty
 
Ford last year stressed that fuel not approved in the oweners manual is considered misfueling and any damage rusulting from misfueling is not covered by the warranty. I have a 06 Impala and dealer did not recommend even useing the E-85 in it.
I look at it this way people can use what ever they want its not my problem.
 
If the 2006 Impala isn't set up for flex fuel of course you shouldn't use E85 in it. E85 is 85% alcohol - E15 is only 15% alcohol.
 
Yep. There's an E85 pump near here and I know guys who are running old carbureted Chevy pickups on it.
 
rustyfarmall,
Are you saying the formulated fuels mandated by the EPA doesn't reduce air polution?

Please send the link that backs up your claim.

I would think the ethanol will help the farmer not big oil, am I wrong?
George
 
(quoted from post at 10:05:18 12/23/13) rustyfarmall,
Are you saying the formulated fuels mandated by the EPA doesn't reduce air polution?

Please send the link that backs up your claim.

I would think the ethanol will help the farmer not big oil, am I wrong?
George
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The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
 
EPA requires fuel to oxygenated and more so in bigger cities. Ethanol is one way and maybe the cheapest way of doing it. Having more oxygen in the fuel makes for a cleaner burn, or so "they" say.

I have yet to see an engine RUINed by ethanol. Maybe some old style rubber hoses but not the engine.

Seems like after 30+ years they would have upgraded anything ethanol would cause issues with.
 
LBSMJS: HMMMM why don't you sign in under you real kick instead of as a guest? HMMMM, how many tanks have you run? Can you prove it or are you just trying to sell more corn?

Danny2Shoes: Or LBSMJS: I think one and the same. A lot of pre 74 engines had to have hardened valves seat installed. So without that mod the engine would burn up valves thus putting that engine in the scrap yard. Watch the news piece again. They did not say it would destroy the engine outright, they said it would destroy the fuel system. They did say that if the blend separated it would run the booze through it first followed by low octane gas and the low octane gas could cause detonation which can damage an engine. Trying to sell more corn?

Rick
 
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(quoted from post at 10:05:18 12/23/13) rustyfarmall,
Are you saying the formulated fuels mandated by the EPA doesn't reduce air polution?

Please send the link that backs up your claim.

I would think the ethanol will help the farmer not big oil, am I wrong?
George
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The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
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Rusty, we had a Lincoln Town Car, 302 EFI, 26 MPG on mid grade 10% ethanol. Ford LTD same engine, 25 MPG. Ford Bronco, full sized 302 EFI. at 55 18 MPG. Our Suburban gets 18.

Rick
 
I get the best mileage running E-15 in my 2000 Dakota with 4.7. I've tried E-30 but it isn't as good as the 15. E-10 when I can't find the 15. You will notice a slight drop when you start using it but if you run 3 tanks through the computer has reset itself and it will run better with it. Just my findings and I am satisfied with it.
 
Very interesting theory. But it's just that...a theory. People in countries around the world are running much higher ethanol content than that and are getting along just fine. I find it fascinating that some people think "ethanol" is terrible but think nothing of using E-85 as an alternative, cheaper fuel. More disinformation spread by people who are threatened by ethanol's success. I have used ethanol for over 35 years with absolutely no side effects other than initially loosening the crud left in the tanks caused by non-ethanol gas. Once you get rid of the crap the ethanol keeps things clean. Period. Plus, at this time of year, it eliminates the need for gas line anti-freeze. Mike
 
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(quoted from post at 10:49:55 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 10:05:18 12/23/13) rustyfarmall,
Are you saying the formulated fuels mandated by the EPA doesn't reduce air polution?

Please send the link that backs up your claim.

I would think the ethanol will help the farmer not big oil, am I wrong?
George
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The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
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Rusty, we had a Lincoln Town Car, 302 EFI, 26 MPG on mid grade 10% ethanol. Ford LTD same engine, 25 MPG. Ford Bronco, full sized 302 EFI. at 55 18 MPG. Our Suburban gets 18.

Rick
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My Chevy had a 2 speed power-glide transmission. NO overdrive, and 3.36 to 1 rear end ratio. How does that compare to your Lincolns and Fords? Also, the vast majority of my driving was on gravel roads and 2 lane blacktops. Basically what is considered to be "city" driving by EPA standards, even though the closest "city" had a population of only 500, and took only about 1 1/2 minutes to drive through.
 
I have a full size GMC work truck 6 cylinder. Around town 18 mpg, best 21 mpg.

I have a buick, best is 27 mpg, averages 25.

Friend has a malibu maxx, best is 37 mpy doing 80 on express way. Averages around 28-30.

All are 6 cylinders on E10.
 
(quoted from post at 08:45:53 12/23/13) New gas is coming to your gas stations that can ruin your engine if your vehicle is older than a 2012. Here's a link to the video. Hal
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Yep and we can blame the administration and it's pack of yuppie supporters along with 'others' who benefit from burning corn instead of feeding it - follow the money :evil:
 
(quoted from post at 12:58:02 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 08:45:53 12/23/13) New gas is coming to your gas stations that can ruin your engine if your vehicle is older than a 2012. Here's a link to the video. Hal
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Yep and we can blame the administration and it's pack of yuppie supporters along with 'others' who benefit from burning corn instead of feeding it - follow the money :evil:
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Ever hear of distillers grain? That is what is left over from the process that removes the ethanol. Distillers grain is then fed to livestock. It has nearly as much, and maybe AS much feed value as whole corn.
 
Why bring facts to a perfectly good rant?

What I think is funny is when people try to attribute the cost of corn price support costs to the cost of ethanol. Apparently they don't realize that price supports are the opposite of what ethanol producers want.

But then many of them also think the Farm Bill is primarily about farming....
 
how is it supposed to ruin an engine? I used to put e85 in my 95 F150 all summer and it had 260,000 miles when I sold it and was running good yet
 
the reason the valve seats failed is because they removed the tetraethyl lead from gas, you guys said the reason corn was $7/bu was because too much was being used for ethanol, now it's $4/bu, what't your story now? are we trying to sell more corn? of course, that was one of the original intents of the ethanol industry- to get rid of massive stock piles of $1.80/bu corn, it creates jobs but you would rather send your money over seas, very un-American if I might say so!
 
(quoted from post at 14:38:58 12/23/13) the reason the valve seats failed is because they removed the tetraethyl lead from gas, you guys said the reason corn was $7/bu was because too much was being used for ethanol, now it's $4/bu, what't your story now? are we trying to sell more corn? of course, that was one of the original intents of the ethanol industry- to get rid of massive stock piles of $1.80/bu corn, it creates jobs but you would rather send your money over seas, very un-American if I might say so!
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And the same folks who are against producing our own fuel are probably in favor of those big, ugly windmills. It is the same thing. Why buy it from a country that does not like us, when we can make it ourselves, right here at home.
 
LOL, Typical Fox brainles ethanol hate, it never changes.:(

And gee, phase seperation happens because ethanol is heavier than gasoline. What a bunch of idiots. You just cant fix stupid. ;-)
 
(quoted from post at 16:14:06 12/23/13) So its the gas that is the issue and not the ethanol? Why didn't you say so......
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I have been saying that for months. It explains why some areas of the country has had many fuel problems and other areas don't have the problems. I keep pretty good track of my fuel economy and haven't noticed this with my own vehicle, but others have noticed a reduction of fuel economy when Iowa went from using 87 octane base stock gasoline in their E10 (89 octane E10) to now they use 84 octane (not a legal fuel to create 87 octane E10). They both are E10, but the 87 octane gets less mileage.

BTW, several studies have shown that the optimum blend for many cars is around E20. They will get better mileage at E20 than E10, E0, or E30.
 
Rustyfarmall: It amazes me that people think that the distillers grain is equal in energy to the total corn used to make the ethanol and distillers.

One bushel of corn produces 17 lbs of DDG. So even at 25-29% protein there is much less energy than a whole bushel of corn has.

Ethanol uses part of the starch so there is less energy in the DDG that is left.
 

"Big Oil"..bashing BUSH (Again, Huh..!!)

Must be nice, traveling down that well-beaten path..

More and more plastic fuel lines are going bad here..I think the Ethanol percentage has risen to near that invisible 15% level, even as we speak..

Ron.
 
(quoted from post at 13:04:44 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 12:58:02 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 08:45:53 12/23/13) New gas is coming to your gas stations that can ruin your engine if your vehicle is older than a 2012. Here's a link to the video. Hal
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Yep and we can blame the administration and it's pack of yuppie supporters along with 'others' who benefit from burning corn instead of feeding it - follow the money :evil:
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Ever hear of distillers grain? That is what is left over from the process that removes the ethanol. Distillers grain is then fed to livestock. It has nearly as much, and maybe AS much feed value as whole corn.
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Yea the problem there is it isn't available to everyone economically. I'd have to buy a truck to haul it 40 miles home and I'm close to a plant. So what savings I would see over whole corn would get spent on a truck and fuel. Just cause it's available doesn't mean it's economically feasible.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 14:38:58 12/23/13) the reason the valve seats failed is because they removed the tetraethyl lead from gas, you guys said the reason corn was $7/bu was because too much was being used for ethanol, now it's $4/bu, what't your story now? are we trying to sell more corn? of course, that was one of the original intents of the ethanol industry- to get rid of massive stock piles of $1.80/bu corn, it creates jobs but you would rather send your money over seas, very un-American if I might say so!
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The reason corn is now at 4 bucks a bushel is because some many more acres were planted in corn this years trying to chase that 7 buck corn.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 12:02:15 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 10:59:31 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 10:49:55 12/23/13)
(quoted from post at 10:05:18 12/23/13) rustyfarmall,
Are you saying the formulated fuels mandated by the EPA doesn't reduce air polution?

Please send the link that backs up your claim.

I would think the ethanol will help the farmer not big oil, am I wrong?
George
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The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
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Rusty, we had a Lincoln Town Car, 302 EFI, 26 MPG on mid grade 10% ethanol. Ford LTD same engine, 25 MPG. Ford Bronco, full sized 302 EFI. at 55 18 MPG. Our Suburban gets 18.

Rick
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My Chevy had a 2 speed power-glide transmission. NO overdrive, and 3.36 to 1 rear end ratio. How does that compare to your Lincolns and Fords? Also, the vast majority of my driving was on gravel roads and 2 lane blacktops. Basically what is considered to be "city" driving by EPA standards, even though the closest "city" had a population of only 500, and took only about 1 1/2 minutes to drive through.
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Rusty, the LTD was an 86, 302 EFI AOD. The Town Car was a 88 302 AOD. Both were used on a combo of gravel and highway. Our close big town is about 700.

Rick
 
You can buy wet distillers grain in bulk. You can buy dry distillers grain in 50 lbs bags, or bulk. Dried is higher priced, because of the drying cost. I used dry for years in the dairy rations, both bagged and bulk. It does not have the energy of corn, but it has about 3 times the protein level, and that"s what it"s used for, plus the roughage factor.
 
DDGS is not promoted as a feed that is equal to corn in energy, by anyone that is knowledgeable about feedstuffs. It is promoted for its protein and roughage value.....protein level being about 3x what corn is.....24 vs 8.
 
(quoted from post at 10:45:53 12/23/13) New gas is coming to your gas stations that can ruin your engine if your vehicle is older than a 2012. Here's a link to the video. Hal
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According to the Faux news video "it is sold in a handfull of
states"

MOst states sell diesel at the pumps as well and please do not put it in your car.

I consider the video a stupit people alert.
 
It is also priced according to the protein and energy level it has.

A ton of DDG"s is much cheaper than a ton of corn.

Feedlots buy DDG"s rather than corn because of better profit margins.

This country has way more corn than can ever be fed to livestock and humans.

Gary
 
The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
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It's at the tailpipe.

Your 1960 Chevy was spitting out lead and all sorts of noxious chemicals. The new car's exhaust contains a mere fraction of that.
 
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The first car I ever owned was a 1960 Chevrolet. That car would get 18 to 20 miles per gallon easily, and that car did not have ANY kind of pollution reducing equipment.

A car built today of the same general size and weight as that 1960 Chevy, won't do any better than 16 to 18 miles per gallon.

If it takes just as much, or even more fuel to do the same work today as it did 50 years ago, where is the reduction in air pollution???
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It's at the tailpipe.

Your 1960 Chevy was spitting out lead and all sorts of noxious chemicals. The new car's exhaust contains a mere fraction of that.
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Yes, I know that. I even have considerable experience using an exhaust gas analyzer while tuning carburetors. What I'm saying is that everything that has been done to lower the tailpipe emmisions has also lowered the fuel economy.

Fuel injection is a good thing. It can be accomplished without the need for complicated electronics. Chevrolet did it way back in 1957 and got 283 horsepower out of a 283 cubic inch V8 engine. Google it.
 
The woman in the video is not at all an expert.
Listen to the car companies. Follow their advice. As far as I know the E-15 will be fine for Flex-Fuel vehicles.
 
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