Diesel Knock

Royse

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You may have seen my previous posts about this little diesel.
I had the head off and replaced the head gasket.
Head was cleaned, pressure tested and checked for
warps/cracks by the machine shop.
Timing gears were off to replace freeze plugs behind them.

I got it put back together, set the timing as the book said,
which is adjusting the pump gear until fluid just starts pumping
out of the #1 line at 16* BTDC.

It wouldn't start. Just an occasional fire even with glow plugs.
It is in my shop where it is 60 degrees, so not cold.

I adjusted the timing a bit and now, with about 15 seconds of
running the glow plugs and 6 to 10 revolutions of the engine it
cranks right up.

Problem is it hammers badly.
It had a "diesel knock" at idle before I tore it down, but nothing
like this. It is and extremely loud, deep sounding knock. Not like
a valve train rattle, but I can't tell where its coming from.

There is 65-70 psi of oil pressure registering on the gauge and
I made sure I had pressure before I ever tried to start it.
I didn't use any ether.

What do you think? Timing too far off? Injector plugged?
I have a hard time believing its a rod, since it didn't do this
before and nothing in the lower end was disassembled.
 
Valves, maybe having the head off changed something
you didn't realize or the valve clearance is a tad
off letting her pop through the exhaust?
 
One thing that is a suspect after the head has ben removed is a chunk of carbon or a tiny metal fragment or almost any incompressible non-combustible material on the top of a piston. Jim
 
Jim, I did clean the tops of the pistons, might should have
left them alone? If I have to I'll pull the head again.
How would I prove that is or isn't the problem?
 
wisbaker, I don't hear any unusual noise or popping through the exhaust.
Just a hammering that sounds like a rod knock in a gas engine.
I didn't change the valve lash, although I did check it.
And since you brought up a good point, I also put all the push
rods back in the places they came out of. I know some say it
doesn't matter, but it can't hurt either.
 
Carbon and tramp material can get into the intake manifold (or be loosened and fall into the intake track. Upon startup, they find a high pinch location to get squished. They usually stay in one place. if the noise is very consistent, it will be imbedded in the top of the piston. Jim
 

It sounds like valve timing to me. I had one set a couple years ago, then had problems with the rear main seal, and in the process managed to get the cam out and then in again but in the wrong place.
 
Was the replacement head gasket the same thickness? I have run into some import diesels with several different thickness of head gaskets. You have use the same thickness as you remove or go through a measuring process to establish which thickness to use. If not that, redtom's idea sounds correct.
 
They brought a JD M into the shop that had a knock.Boss said it looks like its had a lot of hours.I took the head off and found about 3 threads of a 5/16 bolt had been marking up one piston.Boss looked at it and said put in rings and bearings.Bearing and rings were worn so the engine sounded a lot better.Still wonder how the bolt piece got into the cylinder.It had to get thru the muffler and exhaust valve.Wonder if you have some thing in one cylinder.
 
(quoted from post at 01:40:49 12/14/13) You may have seen my previous posts about this little diesel.
I had the head off and replaced the head gasket.
Head was cleaned, pressure tested and checked for
warps/cracks by the machine shop.
Timing gears were off to replace freeze plugs behind them.

I got it put back together, set the timing as the book said,
which is adjusting the pump gear until fluid just starts pumping
out of the #1 line at 16* BTDC.

It wouldn't start. Just an occasional fire even with glow plugs.
It is in my shop where it is 60 degrees, so not cold.

I adjusted the timing a bit and now, with about 15 seconds of
running the glow plugs and 6 to 10 revolutions of the engine it
cranks right up.

Problem is it hammers badly.
It had a "diesel knock" at idle before I tore it down, but nothing
like this. It is and extremely loud, deep sounding knock. Not like
a valve train rattle, but I can't tell where its coming from.

There is 65-70 psi of oil pressure registering on the gauge and
I made sure I had pressure before I ever tried to start it.
I didn't use any ether.

What do you think? Timing too far off? Injector plugged?
I have a hard time believing its a rod, since it didn't do this
before and nothing in the lower end was disassembled.


I would check the engine mounts as I have seen the little 3 cylinder diesel make quite a racket with a bad or loose mount. Just a thought.
 
CCW, that's interesting. I still have the old one, but I have no way
of measuring the new one now. There's only one part number in
the manual so I certainly hope its the right one.
 
(quoted from post at 18:47:00 12/14/13)
(quoted from post at 01:40:49 12/14/13)


I would check the engine mounts as I have seen the little 3 cylinder diesel make quite a racket with a bad or loose mount. Just a thought.

Funny, that happened to my BIL this summer on a JD rider. He told me it was knocking bad. I looked at it and saw the engine slamming back and forth as he cranked it. Tightened it down and no knocks.

Rick
 

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