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Janicholson
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Correct.
Manufacturers find new workers to be the biggest issue in their operation. New hires from entering (not well seasoned) believe in entitlement. "I am entitled to: XXXXXXX benefits, I am entitled to skip work for XXXXX. I am allowed to come in toasted or late. Push a broom, no way I am a tech college grad for pity sake. I quit. Or a second week no show. (I did this research with 10 employers in central Minnesota) Jim
Manufacturers find new workers to be the biggest issue in their operation. New hires from entering (not well seasoned) believe in entitlement. "I am entitled to: XXXXXXX benefits, I am entitled to skip work for XXXXX. I am allowed to come in toasted or late. Push a broom, no way I am a tech college grad for pity sake. I quit. Or a second week no show. (I did this research with 10 employers in central Minnesota) Jim
Don't know that it's anything new. I remember years ago somebody complaining that the first thing applicants ask about was retirement and vacation time.
Had a friend who tried to hire a dairy herdsman 20 years or so ago. Applicants right out of college of course. They would have just been working with cattle while he and his brother did the field work. He said they all saw the big equipment,got big eyes and just wanted to talk about running it.
Had a friend who tried to hire a dairy herdsman 20 years or so ago. Applicants right out of college of course. They would have just been working with cattle while he and his brother did the field work. He said they all saw the big equipment,got big eyes and just wanted to talk about running it.
Hay hay hay
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Thanks Geaorge, interesting reading. Glad to see a discussion with some depth.
I do fear that America has lost a lot of low skill, bottom level manufacturing jobs ( those little low wage factories in small town America).
That leaves a lot of no skill workers with no job, no hope, and too much time to get into mischief. Really not many other work opportunities in those spots.
Statistics indicate that is about 10% of the work force. ouch!
I do fear that America has lost a lot of low skill, bottom level manufacturing jobs ( those little low wage factories in small town America).
That leaves a lot of no skill workers with no job, no hope, and too much time to get into mischief. Really not many other work opportunities in those spots.
Statistics indicate that is about 10% of the work force. ouch!
I just look on our street. I am the only one that has any tools enough to do things. Only 3 of us old guys on this block do our own landscaping work; the rest are all young people and pay $80 - $100 every time their front yard needs trimming. That is work that they could do themselves with the proper tools and a half hour of their time about once a month.
The real kicker is, none of them have high paying jobs; some of them have a wife that works until the 1st kid comes along - then they are in financial hardship, but they still won't do their own work. They'll let the mortgage company forclose before they will cut back on spending. Don't really have any sympathy for them when their problems are self-inflicted.
I imagine that they don't produce any more at work than they do at home.
The real kicker is, none of them have high paying jobs; some of them have a wife that works until the 1st kid comes along - then they are in financial hardship, but they still won't do their own work. They'll let the mortgage company forclose before they will cut back on spending. Don't really have any sympathy for them when their problems are self-inflicted.
I imagine that they don't produce any more at work than they do at home.
This doesn't directly concern manufacturing, but another huge problem is drugs. I was on the county Civil Service Commission, which is responsible for hiring deputies and jail staff. We delegate it to one guy, who administers the tests and coordinates the interviews. He mentioned that he was having trouble keeping the jail staffed up- plenty of candidates, and many appeared qualified- but when he sent 10 of them down the hall to the restroom with the little cup to fill, 7 of them just kept walking, right out the door.
Super-H-Mike
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I am all about hard work , independence and self reliance. I do believe you can make your own luck, BUT , I also feel for the young people today. How are they ever gonna get a foothold in life ? The cost of everything is crazy, and wages are not in step with this. Their expensive college time and achievement is all but worthless to some employers. Its a mess, and not all the fault of the kids today, although I give you that some are of the entitlement bent. How will a young guy ever farm in the future unless he inherits ? I think there is some hopelessness involved too, and maybe bitterness at the older generations for screwing up things for them so badly.
My biggest concern about the changes in American manufacturing is that we wouldn't have the capability to produce weapons in a large scale war the way we could during WWII.
It was our manufacturing power that won the war.
Sure we're still very capable, but so is china, our most likely enemy.
On top of that - I'm not sure we have anywhere near the end to end self reliance we had during and immediately after the industrial revolution.
Go into any modern machine shop and you'll find a whole lot of non-American made machines doing the work.
What happens when those machines start breaking down and need to be modified to turn out bombs instead of gas tanks, etc etc.
If we were to isolate our country, I think we'd have a huge dip while we re-learned a lot of foundry skills, steel production skills, etc etc.
There'd be a massive drop in our abilities until we regrouped and rebuilt all those capabilities.
A dangerous soft spot for us, and china's very aware of it.
It was our manufacturing power that won the war.
Sure we're still very capable, but so is china, our most likely enemy.
On top of that - I'm not sure we have anywhere near the end to end self reliance we had during and immediately after the industrial revolution.
Go into any modern machine shop and you'll find a whole lot of non-American made machines doing the work.
What happens when those machines start breaking down and need to be modified to turn out bombs instead of gas tanks, etc etc.
If we were to isolate our country, I think we'd have a huge dip while we re-learned a lot of foundry skills, steel production skills, etc etc.
There'd be a massive drop in our abilities until we regrouped and rebuilt all those capabilities.
A dangerous soft spot for us, and china's very aware of it.
State of Jefferson
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An interesting topic and I agree with alot of what is being said.
I do have to question some of it though. Although they highlight RedWing boots being this high quality, american made product. I bought a pair, only to realize later the tag inside the tongue clearly says "Made in China".
Most uncomfortable boots I've ever owned. The american made version is probably great. These sure aren't. I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure I paid nearly $200 for them. You'd think that would buy some quality...
I wonder what other facts MSN is leaving out??
Ben
I do have to question some of it though. Although they highlight RedWing boots being this high quality, american made product. I bought a pair, only to realize later the tag inside the tongue clearly says "Made in China".
Most uncomfortable boots I've ever owned. The american made version is probably great. These sure aren't. I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure I paid nearly $200 for them. You'd think that would buy some quality...
I wonder what other facts MSN is leaving out??
Ben
Fawteen
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I'm with ya on the Redwings. Never. Again.
I decided to quit dicking around with cheap boots, went to a full line shoe store, had the clerk measure and fit me, forked over better than $200 for a pair of Redwings.
1st pair lasted 6 months. To be fair, they DID replace them for free. Second pair of the same model and size damn near crippled me. Didn't walk right for months after I realized it was the boots causing the problem and switched.
At the time, they were $200+ per pair and didn't last any longer than Walmart Hermon Survivors. Nor were they as comfortable. I'm not even a little bit impressed.
I decided to quit dicking around with cheap boots, went to a full line shoe store, had the clerk measure and fit me, forked over better than $200 for a pair of Redwings.
1st pair lasted 6 months. To be fair, they DID replace them for free. Second pair of the same model and size damn near crippled me. Didn't walk right for months after I realized it was the boots causing the problem and switched.
At the time, they were $200+ per pair and didn't last any longer than Walmart Hermon Survivors. Nor were they as comfortable. I'm not even a little bit impressed.
Old weldor
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I couldn't help but reply about the American manufacturers helping us win World War Two. If it had not been for FORD GM and a CHRYSLER, plus a few others it wouldn't have turned out like it did. Evidently some people think it was Toyota and Honda that helped us out!
State of Jefferson
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This is my second , and LAST pair of Redwings. The first pair had a plastic safety toe that delaminated and curled down into the top of my foot. Not a happy experience. Threw em away.
These just feel like they're still in the break-in period, two years later, and nearly worn out. Keep wearing em cause I don't have any other decent boots.
Need to order some new Hathorns. Great AMERICAN made boots. Can visit the store/factory in Spokane, Wa. Get measured, and look thru the glass at the guy making boots BY HAND. Not cheap, but well worth it.
Ben
Whites Boots
These just feel like they're still in the break-in period, two years later, and nearly worn out. Keep wearing em cause I don't have any other decent boots.
Need to order some new Hathorns. Great AMERICAN made boots. Can visit the store/factory in Spokane, Wa. Get measured, and look thru the glass at the guy making boots BY HAND. Not cheap, but well worth it.
Ben
Whites Boots
Lots of different things in these comments - my 2c:
Expensive consumer goods - $400 boots, 12K bikes, can be built here. $50 boots and $150 bikes can't.
A lot of components of the $400 boot and the 12K bike are going to be made with cheap labor.
A lot of "manufacturing" is assembly. Assembly facilities are less labor intensive than components - most automotive engines, electronics, are made outside of the US, it is easy to ship the components. Shipping entire cars and trucks is more expensive. Even the jap plants import a lot of engines, controls, and transmissions from overseas. A lot of things are assembled from foriegn parts and then slapped with a "made in the usa" label.
I was a tool & diemaker. Our last apprentice graduated in 1986. Management " didn't want to be in that business".
Young folks are being fxxed, and they know it. Someday that is going to explode.
When they talk about $50 per workers, they are throwing in pension, health care, and administrative overhead.
I don't think this is going to end well, it's too far gone.
YMMV
Expensive consumer goods - $400 boots, 12K bikes, can be built here. $50 boots and $150 bikes can't.
A lot of components of the $400 boot and the 12K bike are going to be made with cheap labor.
A lot of "manufacturing" is assembly. Assembly facilities are less labor intensive than components - most automotive engines, electronics, are made outside of the US, it is easy to ship the components. Shipping entire cars and trucks is more expensive. Even the jap plants import a lot of engines, controls, and transmissions from overseas. A lot of things are assembled from foriegn parts and then slapped with a "made in the usa" label.
I was a tool & diemaker. Our last apprentice graduated in 1986. Management " didn't want to be in that business".
Young folks are being fxxed, and they know it. Someday that is going to explode.
When they talk about $50 per workers, they are throwing in pension, health care, and administrative overhead.
I don't think this is going to end well, it's too far gone.
YMMV
I remember a similar situation when working in a state agency design and construction office, involved with new correctional facility building construction. When I needed more staff in that office, there was a similar problem with that.
The reality of it is that this is not likely to change, with the popularity of marijuana for one example. There are plenty of folks who are qualified job applicants and you'd never know the difference, (having impressive qualifications) just they take a toke in their off hours or what have you. The fact that its detectable 30-45 days, and say the person that was on vacation or had been to a social occasion, indulges (moderation here, heavy use and constant intoxication is another subject) or is just a moderate, or non heavy user, not at work is a huge factor in this society. This is reality.
So, the workforce has this element, and has for many many years, its not going to change. No need to get into any debate about the actual useage, and all that, just agreeing this is reality.
I've seen skilled traded and labor shortages on large projects, hard to believe, as these were union or prevailing wage jobs, it happens, you need people to make production to meet a schedule, but if you had to subtract from that those who would fail a drug test, well for marijuana as an example, very likely you will not have much of a workforce, that is reality. Though I see the testing requirement is very common today, does not seem all that common for workers, unless it was a highly sensitive kind of work, not common commercial jobs. Maybe that has changed, I do not know. A person gets into anything beyond that, (moderation) let em keep on walking. Its not a gateway for all, and those in that classification, make up a large number of our workforce. I think the point is that those who know and practice what moderation is, and know when something is appropriate and when its not, its likely you'd never know the difference, except for testing. Same with someone who likes a beer after work, or with a meal, (me for instance and at home its always one) has no effect at work or elsewhere, but those who seek intoxication (regardless of what you use) can just keep on moving along, I've seen and dealt with that, always trouble. Of course you may get a few that are borderline, nothing is perfect, something an employer has to contend with, outright zero tolerance, testing, or whatever works best.
The reality of it is that this is not likely to change, with the popularity of marijuana for one example. There are plenty of folks who are qualified job applicants and you'd never know the difference, (having impressive qualifications) just they take a toke in their off hours or what have you. The fact that its detectable 30-45 days, and say the person that was on vacation or had been to a social occasion, indulges (moderation here, heavy use and constant intoxication is another subject) or is just a moderate, or non heavy user, not at work is a huge factor in this society. This is reality.
So, the workforce has this element, and has for many many years, its not going to change. No need to get into any debate about the actual useage, and all that, just agreeing this is reality.
I've seen skilled traded and labor shortages on large projects, hard to believe, as these were union or prevailing wage jobs, it happens, you need people to make production to meet a schedule, but if you had to subtract from that those who would fail a drug test, well for marijuana as an example, very likely you will not have much of a workforce, that is reality. Though I see the testing requirement is very common today, does not seem all that common for workers, unless it was a highly sensitive kind of work, not common commercial jobs. Maybe that has changed, I do not know. A person gets into anything beyond that, (moderation) let em keep on walking. Its not a gateway for all, and those in that classification, make up a large number of our workforce. I think the point is that those who know and practice what moderation is, and know when something is appropriate and when its not, its likely you'd never know the difference, except for testing. Same with someone who likes a beer after work, or with a meal, (me for instance and at home its always one) has no effect at work or elsewhere, but those who seek intoxication (regardless of what you use) can just keep on moving along, I've seen and dealt with that, always trouble. Of course you may get a few that are borderline, nothing is perfect, something an employer has to contend with, outright zero tolerance, testing, or whatever works best.
You have some pretty expensive landscaping!! I pay a company to mow the grass at my wife's shop - 1 acre of ground. They mow, trim, edge, and blow for $35. They work like demons, do a great job, and it takes them less than 30 minutes. I seriously doubt they could pass a drug test.....
Hay hay hay
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Spook, I agree, assembled here is a bit of a play with words.
Plus, all white collar jobs, engineering, design, tooling. process engineering, etc etc went overseas. That is a huge percentage of the cost of any heavy equipment or complex machine.
White collar jobs used to pay a big percentage of our national taxes and provided a step up for our college educated kids.
I was surprised to learn that about half of a Boeing jet's parts are now made overseas ...then assembled here.
Hey China,... can you ship us some wings so we can make some more fighter jets?
Plus, all white collar jobs, engineering, design, tooling. process engineering, etc etc went overseas. That is a huge percentage of the cost of any heavy equipment or complex machine.
White collar jobs used to pay a big percentage of our national taxes and provided a step up for our college educated kids.
I was surprised to learn that about half of a Boeing jet's parts are now made overseas ...then assembled here.
Hey China,... can you ship us some wings so we can make some more fighter jets?
Will Herring
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I have been very happy with my redwings. I've had them for over a year and a half now, with an aluminum safety toe, and they work great.
john in la
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I can not fathom why anyone would want to open a business in the U.S.
Set aside all the regulations; taxes; and insurance cost; and even with referral bonuses we can not find enough workers to fill all our slots.
We have had a help wanted sign by the road and adds in the paper for over a year now.
Either they can not pass the drug test; background check; or they are just to dam lazy they do not last long even if they get hired.
Set aside all the regulations; taxes; and insurance cost; and even with referral bonuses we can not find enough workers to fill all our slots.
We have had a help wanted sign by the road and adds in the paper for over a year now.
Either they can not pass the drug test; background check; or they are just to dam lazy they do not last long even if they get hired.
I think the generation that is struggling today will come out alright. Remember that what is now called the greatest generation came out of the depression. A little hardship never hurt anyone. I have a problem with the young people that are taught sports are work, its just a game.
This seems to come up every few months, for the umteenth time, Red Wing makes [b:c681d7f0fb][i:c681d7f0fb]both[/i:c681d7f0fb][/b:c681d7f0fb] China made and USA made boots and shoes. Its pretty easy to simply look at the website for Red Wings and see what you can buy if you are a USA only type buyer. If you are in a shoe store unprepaired, not having looked at the website, its super easy to simply look in the boot. The ones made in the USA will be labled as such, the one made overseas will also be labled with the country of origin.
http://www.redwingshoes.com/red-wing-shoe-finder
Click the link and you can filter out (or in) boots that you are willing to buy. Red Wing makes it really easy for you and offers the following options.
Country Of Origin:
usa Made in USA
usa-with-imported-materials Made in USA with Imported Materials
assembled-us-imported-components Assembled in the USA with Imported Components
china Made in China
Personally, I like a company that makes it easy for me to make an informed buying decision on their products.
GeneMO
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We are loosing jobs due to Taxes, permits, fees and over regulation by the government. Then top it off with lawsuits by lawyers over every sort of trumped up product liability suits, and finally workers compensation costs and the messed up external_linkcare mess. Why would a company want to do business in America anymore? Go to China or Mexico and cut out 75% of the crap and costs.
Gene
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TomH in PA
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I"ve never been a fan of MSN or its "news". This article illustrates why, take this quote for example:
"Older workers can earn more than $50 per hour in wages and benefits, according to analysts, while the new workers start at roughly $17 an hour or so plus benefits"
How much do the new workers earn? He hides that fact. He gives the older worker"s compensation as "$50 per hour in wages AND benefits", but he slides in the new worker"s as "$17 or so PLUS benefits" to make it look like their pay difference is much bigger than it really is. Many of the other facts he tosses around are similarly fudged.
"Older workers can earn more than $50 per hour in wages and benefits, according to analysts, while the new workers start at roughly $17 an hour or so plus benefits"
How much do the new workers earn? He hides that fact. He gives the older worker"s compensation as "$50 per hour in wages AND benefits", but he slides in the new worker"s as "$17 or so PLUS benefits" to make it look like their pay difference is much bigger than it really is. Many of the other facts he tosses around are similarly fudged.
brushbuster
Member
Pres. external_link and the EPA are shutting down bullet makers over lead. Ammo will be harder to get and more expensive. And if made will be imported from China.
Just think back to around a year ago. Ann Romney put some change(1 million+) in Paul Singers hand to help buy Delphi when the owner of a sport team in Detroit was closing on them with the government. After Singer, who not allowed to do business in many other countries, bought Delphi for less money, they closed all but one(26 plants) plant and moved production to China. This past year that 1 plant was moved to Mexico. They even moved company headquarters from Troy, MI to the Isle of Jersy in Europe. That million + was thought to be worth 10 to 15 some time back. Bain Capital(Romney's little personal money maker) was in there wheeling and dealing on this one also. Read in detail about this from Greg Plast who had researched this over several years.
And talking about WW2. Ford sold vehicles to Germany, Standard gave the ethel patent them(was to have gotten the synthetic rubber patent on trade), and 7 chemical groups fromed IG Farben of which some were BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and others. There is massive reading about them that is very well documented.
Yes it is wonderfull to see a company like Red Wing and others that make everything from and in the US. When Nike moved production, did the price of their shoes go down? I don't think so. They should be taxed double instead of being given tax breaks by WHO?
And talking about WW2. Ford sold vehicles to Germany, Standard gave the ethel patent them(was to have gotten the synthetic rubber patent on trade), and 7 chemical groups fromed IG Farben of which some were BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and others. There is massive reading about them that is very well documented.
Yes it is wonderfull to see a company like Red Wing and others that make everything from and in the US. When Nike moved production, did the price of their shoes go down? I don't think so. They should be taxed double instead of being given tax breaks by WHO?
john in la
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Trucking (Major nationwide LTL line)
Home every night (local work)
Over $20 per hour (Senior guys make over $30 but have to work nights)
Average benefits
We had 2 to 3 guys from out of town terminals in the motel here all summer to help us threw our busy season.
Now that the slow season is here we will just make due to next spring and try again.
Home every night (local work)
Over $20 per hour (Senior guys make over $30 but have to work nights)
Average benefits
We had 2 to 3 guys from out of town terminals in the motel here all summer to help us threw our busy season.
Now that the slow season is here we will just make due to next spring and try again.
farmerwithmutt
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i can get in trouble for this but we have a cheese factory getting gov money to create jobs great idea right? factory is owned by a frenchman hires hispanic workers and gets frozen cheese from europe ok at least he has created jobs
Hay hay hay
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George, An interesting insight about this forum.
Half of the the replies are about the complexity and impact of the subject and the other half are "I don't like my boots".
It sort of echos the focus (or lack ) of the American public.
Half of the the replies are about the complexity and impact of the subject and the other half are "I don't like my boots".
It sort of echos the focus (or lack ) of the American public.
State of Jefferson
Member
I took my Hathorns into a local boot dealer to be re-soled.
Needed some boots to wear while mine were out of commission.
Told the lady I like good products.
She suggested Redwings.
Couple hundred bucks.
They fit.
I bought em.
Worst.
Boots.
I've.
Ever.
Owned.
I am not necessarily a PURELY a "made in USA" guy. I want a good product, with a good value. These are my second pair of Redwings.
They've both been SH!T!!
Won't buy another pair.
EVER!
Have a Nice day.
Ben
Needed some boots to wear while mine were out of commission.
Told the lady I like good products.
She suggested Redwings.
Couple hundred bucks.
They fit.
I bought em.
Worst.
Boots.
I've.
Ever.
Owned.
I am not necessarily a PURELY a "made in USA" guy. I want a good product, with a good value. These are my second pair of Redwings.
They've both been SH!T!!
Won't buy another pair.
EVER!
Have a Nice day.
Ben
State of Jefferson
Member
Hey, easy fella's.
I was intreagued by the subject matter. However when the "slides" is highlighting one of these "Made in America" companies, and I've got their product sitting here with a MADE IN CHINA tag on it. I question the journalism at work.
Who's ranting??
Ben
I was intreagued by the subject matter. However when the "slides" is highlighting one of these "Made in America" companies, and I've got their product sitting here with a MADE IN CHINA tag on it. I question the journalism at work.
Who's ranting??
Ben
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Geo-TH,In
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Edd,
totally agree with you. If Johnny can't read by the third grade, Johnny has a better chance of ending up in prison. Once in prision, Johnny has very little chance of ever getting a good job when he gets out. You can run, but you can't hide from computer records. Then what? Johnny then has even a better chance of being back in prison. While in prison, Johnny learns a skill, how to make Meth. Sad to say, I know a woman who's son, while out of jail on bail for meth charges, just got busted again, along with wife. This guy should be locked up for a long time, he has many meth busts. 10 year old child is now in CPS.
Very few places will hire yardbirds, so the cycle continues along with crime.
George
totally agree with you. If Johnny can't read by the third grade, Johnny has a better chance of ending up in prison. Once in prision, Johnny has very little chance of ever getting a good job when he gets out. You can run, but you can't hide from computer records. Then what? Johnny then has even a better chance of being back in prison. While in prison, Johnny learns a skill, how to make Meth. Sad to say, I know a woman who's son, while out of jail on bail for meth charges, just got busted again, along with wife. This guy should be locked up for a long time, he has many meth busts. 10 year old child is now in CPS.
Very few places will hire yardbirds, so the cycle continues along with crime.
George
thesmoothedeere
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Honda produces engines and transmissions and have two auto plants near our town .
DaninKansas
Member
Myth No. 5: America lacks the skilled workers to support a manufacturing renaissance
Tom Duesterberg of the Aspen Institute framed the problem this way: "The core skills gap is real. . . . If there is one big issue being discussed right now among manufacturers and what they want from government and the educational establishment, it is efforts to produce more workers with skills. And that gap is in the three core capabilities of workers: literacy, numeracy and problem-solving."
Call it a myth and then document it as fact?
Tom Duesterberg of the Aspen Institute framed the problem this way: "The core skills gap is real. . . . If there is one big issue being discussed right now among manufacturers and what they want from government and the educational establishment, it is efforts to produce more workers with skills. And that gap is in the three core capabilities of workers: literacy, numeracy and problem-solving."
Call it a myth and then document it as fact?
Many US-made products are now beyond the price range of the wallets of those still working in this country, and are well beyond those who aren't. China purposfully manipulates it's currency to make it a top prospect for cheaply building items for export to the world. They want to play ball with the world, but rewrite the rules during the game constantly. We'll never end up on top or even be partners when dealing with China. China's export stranglehold may eventually explode, but it's going to be wonderful for them as long as it lasts.
As far as the focus part, the link you posted is not the greatest piece of journalism. An incomplete story, or the side of the story someone wants you to read is being told. When bypassing certain realities, (especially about Red Wing's worldwide business), many other questions come to mind, to which this article gives no answers to. I feel that makes this article sloppy or incomplete at best.
When someone buys boots they feel are of subpar quality, are poor fitting or wearing, or overpriced for what they actually get from a company that the article mentions makes "the world's finest work boots", that's bound to stir the pot. When people see "China" when they are looking for "USA", that'll stir it as well. Others seem to feel they get as good as or better quality, better service, or more bang for their buck elsewhere. I don't think people that disagree with opinion presented as facts in the article you linked shows a lack of focus. It shows people actually read it.
Also, from the article: "Some 54 percent of U.S. companies manufacturing overseas are considering returning production to the United States, according to BCG. A year ago the figure was 37 percent." How many of that 37% figure from a year ago followed through and returned (any) production to the US? Without that information, the 54% figure means nothing to me. Thoughts and surveys are nice, but actions speak louder than words.
I would guess (no journalism here, just an opinion) that 20% or so of those manufacturing jobs left today are just:
one employee strike,
one OSHA violation,
one EPA violation,
one denied tax abatement,
or one more piece of b.s. legislation
away from packing up and heading elsewhere on the planet, or closing up shop permanently. We're sliding down the manufacturing mountain, instead of climbing upwards or sitting on the peak.
AG
They say it won't matter, a modern all out war won't last long enough to ramp up war production. We'll have to "run what we brung". The WW1 and 2 slogs won't happen again... think Gulf war and how quick it happened. Iraq and Afganistan are a different kind of war that takes more manpower than massive amounts of guns and bombs.
Interesting topic, hits close to home as I am in manufacturing. Various points come to mind;
Never accept what is written or said as investigative journalism. Too often what is written or said is to promote an agenda of the person doing the article or of the person paying them. Some truths are put into the article to make it appear believable but there are untruths in it also.
Even with the high unemployment rate, good people are very hard to find. Lets face it, unemployment pays pretty good now. Collect unemployment, work a few cash jobs and go fishing more.
To a large degree kids aren't allowed to work now days and parents are restricted from teaching kids to work.
More and more people of all ages feel a sense of entitlement now days. The selfish votes show that.
Enough for now, I need to get back to work.
Never accept what is written or said as investigative journalism. Too often what is written or said is to promote an agenda of the person doing the article or of the person paying them. Some truths are put into the article to make it appear believable but there are untruths in it also.
Even with the high unemployment rate, good people are very hard to find. Lets face it, unemployment pays pretty good now. Collect unemployment, work a few cash jobs and go fishing more.
To a large degree kids aren't allowed to work now days and parents are restricted from teaching kids to work.
More and more people of all ages feel a sense of entitlement now days. The selfish votes show that.
Enough for now, I need to get back to work.
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