Usless products

NCWayne

Well-known Member
Ok, maybe the product I was looking at last night wasn"t actually useless, but it was technically rendered useless by the warnings on the label.

Can"t remember the maker, but the stuff I was looking at was a fire starting gel. Reading the ingredients and opening the cap told me that it"s main ingredient was isopropyl alcohol, which should be great for getting a fire going. Unfortunately if you took the time to read the label, the warnings told you that the contents of the package were "Flammable" and that you should keep it away from "Heat, sparks, or open flame". Funny but I thought one of those things was actually needed for the product to do it"s job. Without any one of the three all you"ve got is a pretty blue gel....

Ok, what other products have you guys run into over the years that, if you were to read the warnings, would have been rendered useless if you actually heeded them?
 
You get the same warning on any flamilbe item it means keep the package away read the instructions it says not to add to an item already on fire.
Walt
Now read the labels on a step ladder and see if its safe to climb.
 
I've seen lots of car commercials that depict the car going through it's normal paces. Down at the bottom of the screen it says, "Professional driver on closed course. Do not attempt." I suppose there are folks that buy cars just to look at them.
 
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How about this one in packages with Knives - "Warning: Your new knife will cut you..." Well duuuh.
 
Of course you know that if we didn't have so many trial lawyers fighting for food in the pond of litigeous litigation, common sense wouldn't have been factored out of life.

When a person can sue and win million$ for spilling hot coffee between her legs as she's driving, an intoxicated person can sue for falling off of a bicycle can sue because the directions that he couldn't read while intoxicated didn't tell him not to ride while intoxicated, or as another example, a women can sue over worrying that some kid playing basketball in his driveway might be harmed, kidnapped, and so on while the noise is also a suable offense.... ALL real, true examples, well...

A couple of decades ago, like him or not and I have no opinion on him either way, Vice-President Dan Quayle was invited to address a luncheon to and by the American Bar Association. Why? I don't know, but he was and he did. He stood at the podium and told the members that the biggest problem that he saw with our nation's productivety is that we had too many trial lawyers. He pointed out to them at the time that in America, there is one trial lawyer for every 2,500 people, while in Japan there was one trial lawyer for every 50,000 people. That occurred about the same time the lady drove down the road in her old jalopy with a hot cup of McDonalds coffee between her thighs and, well, won the law suit. BY THE WAY, I heard of another such lawsuit on the news just this past week about McDonalds coffee being too hot again, because people and their lawyers must be running out of ideas for suing and are pulling out retreads.

Well, the holidays are soon upon us and I'm not going to allow anyone or their lawyer spoil it for me. Not even external_linkcare is going to spoil my holidays...HoHoHo.

Mark
Even Huffington Puffington recognizes a retread McDonalds lawsuit
 
(quoted from post at 05:45:10 11/09/13) Of course you know that if we didn't have so many trial lawyers fighting for food in the pond of litigeous litigation, common sense wouldn't have been factored out of life.

When a person can sue and win million$ for spilling hot coffee between her legs as she's driving,

I too thought that was a frivolous lawsuit, but then I read up on it. Please actually READ this. It's very interesting and shos most people have that facts very wrong. From Wikipedia -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49-cent cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant located at 5001 Gibson Boulevard S.E. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her grandson's Ford Probe, which didn't have cup holders, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. Liebeck placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[9] Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[10]

Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[11] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, Liebeck lost 20 pounds (9 kg, nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds (38 kg).[12] Two years of medical treatment followed.
Pre-trial

Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for $20,000 to cover her actual and anticipated expenses. Her past medical expenses were $10,500; her anticipated future medical expenses were approximately $2,500; and her loss of income was approximately $5,000 for a total of approximately $18,000.[13] Instead, the company offered only $800. When McDonald's refused to raise its offer, Liebeck retained Texas attorney Reed Morgan. Morgan filed suit in New Mexico District Court accusing McDonald's of "gross negligence" for selling coffee that was "unreasonably dangerous" and "defectively manufactured". McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000.[2] Morgan offered to settle for $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused these final pre-trial attempts to settle.[2]
Trial and verdict

The trial took place from August 8–17, 1994, before New Mexico District Court Judge Robert H. Scott.[14] During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchisees to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82.2–87.8 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's. Liebeck's lawyers presented the jury with evidence that 180 °F (82 °C) coffee like that McDonald’s served may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about 12 to 15 seconds. Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds. Liebeck's attorneys argued that these extra seconds could provide adequate time to remove the coffee from exposed skin, thereby preventing many burns. McDonald's claimed that the reason for serving such hot coffee in its drive-through windows was that those who purchased the coffee typically were commuters who wanted to drive a distance with the coffee; the high initial temperature would keep the coffee hot during the trip.[2] However, the company's own research showed that some customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving.[3]

Other documents obtained from McDonald's showed that from 1982 to 1992 the company had received more than 700 reports of people burned by McDonald's coffee to varying degrees of severity, and had settled claims arising from scalding injuries for more than $500,000.[2] McDonald's quality control manager, Christopher Appleton, testified that this number of injuries was insufficient to cause the company to evaluate its practices. He argued that all foods hotter than 130 °F (54 °C) constituted a burn hazard, and that restaurants had more pressing dangers to warn about. The plaintiffs argued that Appleton conceded that McDonald's coffee would burn the mouth and throat if consumed when served.[15]

A twelve-person jury reached its verdict on August 18, 1994.[14] Applying the principles of comparative negligence, the jury found that McDonald's was 80% responsible for the incident and Liebeck was 20% at fault. Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded Liebeck US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages. The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days' worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.[2] The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.[16]
Aftermath

The case was said by some to be an example of frivolous litigation.[4] ABC News called the case "the poster child of excessive lawsuits".[5] Jonathan Turley called the case "a meaningful and worthy lawsuit".[6] McDonald's asserts that the outcome of the case was a fluke, and attributed the loss to poor communications and strategy by an unfamiliar insurer representing a franchise.[17] Liebeck's attorney, Reed Morgan, and the Association of Trial Lawyers of America defended the result in Liebeck by claiming that McDonald's reduced the temperature of their coffee after the suit.[17] Ten years after the settlement, Morgan was still litigating lawsuits against McDonald's over hot coffee burns.[17]

Detractors have argued that McDonald's refusal to offer more than an $800 settlement for the $10,500 in medical bills indicated that the suit was meritless and highlighted the fact that Liebeck spilled the coffee on herself rather than any wrongdoing on the company's part.[18][19][20] They also argued that the coffee was not defective because McDonald's coffee conformed to industry standards,[2] and coffee continues to be served as hot or hotter today at McDonald's and chains like Starbucks.[20][17] They further assert that the vast majority of judges who consider similar cases dismiss them before they get to a jury.[21] From 2002 to 2007, an offshoot from a weekly news column by writer Randy Cassingham resulted in a website called the "Stella Awards", which purported to give awards to people who filed "outrageous and frivolous lawsuits".
Similar lawsuits

In McMahon v. Bunn Matic Corporation (1998), Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Frank Easterbrook wrote a unanimous opinion affirming dismissal of a similar lawsuit against coffeemaker manufacturer Bunn-O-Matic, finding that 179 °F (82 °C) hot coffee was not "unreasonably dangerous".[22]

In Bogle v. McDonald’s Restaurants Ltd. (2002), a similar lawsuit in England failed when the court rejected the claim that McDonald's could have avoided injury by serving coffee at a lower temperature.[23]

Since Liebeck, major vendors of coffee, including Chick-Fil-A,[24] Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, Wendy's, Burger King,[25] hospitals,[26] and McDonald's[27] have been defendants in similar lawsuits over coffee-related burns. The courts in these lawsuits did not find hot coffee unreasonably dangerous or defectively manufactured.
Coffee temperature

In 1994, a spokesman for the National Coffee Association said that the temperature of McDonald's coffee conformed to industry standards.[2] An "admittedly unscientific" survey by the LA Times that year found that coffee was served between 157 and 182 °F, and that two locations tested served hotter coffee than McDonald's.[28]

Since Liebeck, McDonald's has not reduced the service temperature of its coffee.[17] McDonald's policy today is to serve coffee between 80–90 °C (176–194 °F),[29] relying on more sternly-worded warnings on cups made of rigid foam to avoid future liability, though it continues to face lawsuits over hot coffee.[29][30] The Specialty Coffee Association supports improved packaging methods rather than lowering the temperature at which coffee is served.[17] The association has successfully aided the defense of subsequent coffee burn cases.[31] Similarly, as of 2004, Starbucks sells coffee at 175–185 °F (79.4–85 °C), and the executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America reported that the standard serving temperature is 160–185 °F (71.1–85 °C).[17] Retailers today sell coffee as hot or hotter than the coffee that burned Stella Liebeck.[17

This doesn't mean there isn't a need for tort reform. it just means this is a BAD example that keeps getting paraded out with many inaccuracies
 
There are arrays of tv ads for drugs, 15 seconds it's about wonderful benefits, 45 seconds it's how the drug will kill you.
 
Check out fan belts. Warning says DO NOT CHANGE WITH ENGINE RUNNING.Makes me think some idiot must have tried. For that warning to be there.
 
Make yourself a cup of coffee, then let it cool to the temperature recommended by the lawyers (140 F). Like drinking bath water.

The reason that woman got burned is because she didn"t pull her sweat pants off after she dumped the coffee in her lap, she just sat there with it soaking through.
 
I bought a new disk to pull behind my tractor a few years ago. It has a big warning label on it that says, "Use at your own risk". I was real disappointed because I was thinking that if I used my disk, it would be at my neighbor's risk.

Huh?

Tom in TN
 
mcdonals was serving coffee at higher temperatures to discourage sit down diners from getting a second cup of coffee. by end of meal the coffee was at temperature to drink; however you were also ready to leave. another corporate way of boosting profits.
 
Got to do it as some people just dont know what they are using and then sue sue sue so you need to post all those things to protect your self.
 
Bingo, Mark.

The cost imposed upon the American economy by the plaintiff's bar is dwarfed only by that imposed by government.

Dean
 
The LADY SAT a hot cup of coffee between HER thighs and rumbled down the highway in HER jalopy. I'm surpised that she didn't sue the manufacturer of her old jalopy for not recalling it to have it retrofit with a coffee cup holder.

But in any event, I stopped in a little meat market by me and they had a sign that the holidays were soon approaching, so place your orders now for pies, cakes, smoked turkeys, and...sounds dandy to me. I was in there a couple of weeks ago and they had a whole smoked turkey in a bag, and it looked like something to behold. Thats why I stopped in there today, to see if they had one but they didn't. Ho, Ho, Ho...

Mark
 
(quoted from post at 09:26:26 11/09/13) mcdonals was serving coffee at higher temperatures to discourage sit down diners from getting a second cup of coffee. by end of meal the coffee was at temperature to drink; however you were also ready to leave. another corporate way of boosting profits.

Thats a crazy statement, totally inaccurate and would be business suicide to 10-25% of a eating establishments customer base. McDonalds wants its coffee drinking customers to drink its fill of coffee. The problem is, if a coffee drinker does not get enough coffee during their visit, they leave unhappy with the experience. This causes over 50% of the customers to delay returning to the establishment. This short delay (1-7 days) causes a loss of revenue even if the customer is still a repeat customer. Now if the lack of coffee continues on subsequent visits, the establishment starts to loose that customer for the simple fact that a customer can forgive one or two bad experiences, after that, the business get a lable from the customer and the bad experience is no longer a fluke, its the way a place does business. End result = customer goes elsewhere....

McDonalds knows this (as does most every other business selling coffee and giving free refills) and they train the employees to provide customer service by even going so far as to walk the seating area with a pot of coffee offering refills. That act of bringing refills to the customer is a service worth its weight in gold. Unfortunately, doing that can only be done when McDonalds is a little slower and cleaning up the seating area is always a priority.

I wont even get into the temp of the coffee because I think its pretty well known that the customers want HOT coffee, not just really warm coffee. McDonalds tested lower temp coffee many, many times and every test resulted the same, coffee sales dropped like a rock at the test store. Dropping coffee temps world wide would have the same results so they made a decision to keep the temp up, sales up and deal with the frivolous lawsuits as needed.
 
What I always find funny about those are the side effects -vs- what the drug is supposed to do. For instance a drug to make it easier on a person when they are around a large group of people has the side effects of irritability, gas, diarrhea, mood swings, etc. Basically the side effects make you the type of person no one wants to be around anyway....so, problem solved.....LOL
 
(quoted from post at 11:43:49 11/09/13) The LADY SAT a hot cup of coffee between HER thighs and rumbled down the highway in HER jalopy. I'm surpised that she didn't sue the manufacturer of her old jalopy for not recalling it to have it retrofit with a coffee cup holder.

But in any event, I stopped in a little meat market by me and they had a sign that the holidays were soon approaching, so place your orders now for pies, cakes, smoked turkeys, and...sounds dandy to me. I was in there a couple of weeks ago and they had a whole smoked turkey in a bag, and it looked like something to behold. Thats why I stopped in there today, to see if they had one but they didn't. Ho, Ho, Ho...

Mark

I can see you never let the facts get in the way of telling a good story....
 
I was once waiting on a flight delay and took the time to read the fine print on the back of a car rental contract agreement. I loved it when Andy Rooney always said that their is no good news in the fine print.
 
I don't know just how hot it was, but I have been known to go sailing down the interstate in an F-700 with a cup of coffee in one hand, same hand resting on steering wheel and shifting gears with the other hand. and ain't spilled any yet!
 
All this wonderful stuff that they advertise on TV that does everything from sealing torpedo holes in battleships to putting a lifetime shine on your vehicle. "But, wait! Order in the next ten minutes and we will send you a double order of the useless stuff at no extra charge!"
 
ShadetreeRet:

"But, wait! Order in the next ten minutes and we will send you a double order of the useless stuff at no extra charge!"

Yeh, and you can go to Home Depot and get 3 cans of the same identical product CHEAPER than the ONE can + the "freebie". LOL
 

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