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I have a 7.3 diesel crew cab Dulley it"s an 03 and auto 4x4 I don"t haul a ton and thinking about going to a gas truck. I found a v10 f350 with a 6 speed and I"ve been thinking about trading mine in it.. My diesel only has 83k on it and the v10 has 125k they offered me a very fair trade in on mine at 19k... Anyone have any experience, after having all stick trucks and buying this auto diesel I"m gun shy of a gas auto and can"t find any v10 6 speeds in a crew cab.. Any info would be appriciated good bad or ugly...
 
I have a 2007 F350 4x4 Supercab SRW auto with the V10. It has 117k on it now and runs like new. I have a 9 foot Eby aluminum flatbed on it with hidden gooseneck hitch and I can hook anything to it and not slow it down. This is my first SRW after being a dually F350 guy forever but I haul trailers a lot fewer miles than I used to and like not having to worry about my wife and my sons" "removing" my rear fenders, etc.. I would not trade this truck for any of my previous F350 460gassers or Powerstrokes.
 
I almost agree....I get 10-12 mpg empty without a trailer or loaded pulling 17,000 lbs. But in my situation I would rather pay for the gas cost than fiddle with diesel fluid Tier emissions stuff as well as other things that come with a diesel. If I did a bunch of hauling like I used to it may not pencil out but I think right now I am on the winning end - in my use case scenario anyway.
 
I can't comment on the diesel, but my 2000 Winnebago 35' motor home has the V-10 that has 102,000 on the clock. I know, that's not a lot of miles, but it has been a very dependable engine. It did fail me on the road one time---it was a dirty mass airflow sensor. Took a while to figure it out, but ran like a champ after the cleaning.

Currently in the shop for a spark plug change. Mileage has been 6.95 over the years. Was a little over 7 until about 80,000. Unit GCW is around 22,000 lbs. towing a Ford Ranger pickup.

Stan
 
I'm not a die-hard diesel guy, but there is NO WAY I would trade a 7.3 with that kind of miles for any gasoline powered truck!
 
We have a super duty Ford at work with the V10 and it is a turd. Not enough power to get out of it's own way. I think you will be dissapointed if you trade. That diesel will last far longer than the V10. V10 doesn't have near the torque as the 7.3
 
I have '02 ext cab auto v10 w/3.73 rear gear. Empty on interstate doing speed limit I get 15 mpg just about every time. Pulling my 30 ft fifth wheel Dutchmen camper '91 model I get right at 10. I have a Ford 3550 industrial w/loader and I know it's behind me. MPG was not calculated due to unknown amount of gas was donated when I wasn't looking. I ordered mine in '02 due to lack of suitables on lot/for sale. I am satisfied w/its performance. I didn't buy it for a daily driver, 60k is on it right now. I consider it's the best of both worlds...pulls good without the cost of diesel fuel and mtc costs. I went w/Ford in '02 due to cold spark knock issue GM was experiencing then.
 
So why do you want to get rid of the 7.3? It can"t be beat if they are offering you that much for it...

I understand they are a little louder than the new diesels and gas trucks. The front end is probably 500 lbs heavier than a gas and all the bushings and bearings etc in the front end will need to be redone more frequently...Diesel is a bit more expensive than gas.

Now I have a V10 F350 with a 12 foot deck. It replaced a 6.9 F350 with 10 foot deck - it was pretty beat! My buddy had the 7.3 in a F250 - I drove it a bit pulling a trailer and a lot of stuff in the box.

The 7.3 was nice - he curses getting rid of it now. It pulled far better than his new truck 6.4?L gas F250.

My V-10 has tons of power, pulls and carries far better than the 6.9(but the 6.9 was beat). I really like my F350 but I would get rid of it as soon as possible if I had to drive it every day. I would happily look for a 7.3 with 80,000 miles. The V 10 sucks fuel- again I dont care because I use it infrequently for short moves, and it does a great job.

Did I mention I wouldn"t want to drive it every day. My F250 5.4L Crewcab with full box does 90% of my work. Its not too bad on gas and fairly comfortable, just long for city use.

There is no perfect truck. I would stick with what you have.

Grant
 
I have an 05 F350 srw with the 3 valve V10 and have no complaints other than being hard on gas. 10-11 around town, 12-14 hwy. That being said, I have owned three 7.3s, and had no complaints about them either.
 
I have an 05 250 v10 auto reg cab 4x4 I bought 2 months ago with 113k. I love the truck but for what I gave the dealer owes you the truck and 9k cash.
 
I have an '03 F-250 S/C 4X4 with a V-10 and I like it very well. I didn't buy it for gas mileage but it averages within 1 mpg of the 5.4 V8 truck it replaced. I get 12-14.5 mpg empty and 8 pulling a 24 ft goooseneck with 2 tractors , an F-20 and an F-30, has plenty of power. I know of some around here with over 300K miles and they weren't babied. The V-10 is a good engine, but a 7.3 is a better one. 7.3 will do a lot better on fuel and have a bit more power. I should add mine has 3.73 rear end ratio. If you were getting rid of a 6.0 or a 6.4 I could understand, but not many get rid of a 7.3 unless the truck it is in is shot.
 
I would never,ever trade that low mileage 7.3 for a v-10. Even if if your dead set on it, I would think they'd owe you
 
I had a 7.3 and now have a 2008 single wheel F350 with a V10. I am satisfied with the V10. It makes more power than my 97 model 7.3 even with the added 60 HP programmer on the diesel. The gas engine has very different characteristics than your diesel. The gas will not lock the torque converter and stay there like the diesel. The gas must increase RPM to get into it's power range. The 3 valve V10 makes good power just off idle but then doesn't really start making more power until 2800 RPM. It really doesn't get opened up good until 3500 RPM and higher. The V10 is very smooth and quiet.

If you are looking for a V10 I'd suggest the newest version which is a 3 valve per cylinder version. It gets slightly better MPG than the 2 valve and makes quite a bit more power. The last V10's are rated at 362 HP 457 ft/lb of torque.

Don't be scared of the 5 speed auto behind the last version of the V10. If it is a 5 speed it will be the exact same transmission as used with the diesel. Ford calls it "torqueshift". It is tough as nails. If it can hold the diesel it can surely hold the V10.

My 2008 has 4:10 gears. I'd suggest the lowest gear possible unless you do a ton of interstate driving. My best mileage is 14 which is highway without stopping until it's time to get gas. It gets around 9-10 MPG pulling 10,000 lbs. If I drive it much in town it will get around 12.

As far as trading trucks... If you know yours has been treated well I'd say keep it. You know what you have. If you really want to swap to a gasser find a newer one with fewer miles. I bought my 08 for much fewer $$$ than the diesels and have none of the new diesel headaches.

The gasser is cheaper to maintain. Oil changes are cheaper and the gas engine doesn't have the terribly expensive parts of the diesel. You can put a new V10 engine in your truck for the cost of 8 injectors in your diesel. My diesel treated me well but did require normal maintenance which was very expensive.
 
always had fords, few gassers, mostly diesels, my 2003 had the 6.0, didn"t chipped up any motor to make black smoke,, would trade off my dodge for another 7.3, anyday...hells bells, that 7.3 ain"t even broke in yet. make sure you have k-y jelly if you trade, they get you everytime.....
 
Jim we have two F-350's at work with V-10's. They have plenty of power but don't get to far from a gas station. They realllly suck the fuel. One engine had a bolt go through it, wrecked the engine but Ford stood behind it and replaced the engine. Other than that I can't complain about the trucks. I think it would be cheaper on fuel to stay with the diesel. Dale
 
J.D.Jim, H3ll NO Don't trade the 7.3 Dsl!
If you trade of a 03 7.3 you are touched in the head!!! Last of the 7.3s, low mileage, and a 4x4 you better re think this trade! There is No way in H3LL I would trade of this truck if it was mine!
The 7.3 is Legendary tough, run on any thing that resembles Dsl, Oil, Vegetable oil. Every Dealer in Texas has a waiting list for any decent 7.3 Dsl that comes across their lot.
Buy the V-10 rig Outright....Do not trade off a better truck. I cant make it any plainer than this. Do NOT Do It!
Later,
John A.
 
J.D.Jim, My 01 7.3 crew-cab 4x4 single wheels long box has 235K No way would I trade-off my truck for a Gas truck!
Later,
John A.
 
My last work van was an E350 V-10, an 04 or 05 IIRC. I got it new and put about 200K on it in 5 years. It spent hours and hours idling and lots of time at 90mph, as fast as it was governed. I never had a single problem with the engine, or the van for that matter. Gas mileage was about 8mpg for me but that was doing police work with lots of idling followed by wide open and then lots of running at 55ish. I don't know squat about the diesels, but the gas engine was fine for me.
 
Not everyone needs or wants a diesel. I have a friend that has had several V10's and is well pleased with their performance and mileage.
If you want the truck you mentioned I say buy it outright. Sell the diesel outright too. Low mile 7.3's are scarce and in demand. You should be able to sell it quickly at a premium price.
If you do trade, the dealer should be kicking in some cash.
 
I am a Ford Parts manager, the place who is
offering a good/great deal for you Should be.
Because you would be trading a truck that is
Worth more than what you are Buying.... V10's
have been decent, for us, but will NO WAY be
a Choice of mine over a 7.3....
 
Agreed on both.

I'd sell the 7.3 privately - they are in high demand. As said above if you trade the dealer should be paying you quite a bit. People love the 7.3, but the v10 - especially the 3 valve engine is also very good.

In 2003 the 7.3 had about 250 hp and 500 ft pds of torque. The V10 has about 300 hp and 425 ft pds of torque. If the V10 is newer and has the 3 valve engine it will have 360 hp and 450 torque.


If you are not using it to tow a lot I'd get rid of the diesel too. The repair bills on those things eat you alive. Mileage on the "modern" gas engines goes well beyond 250K.
 
Agreed on everything - especially the repair bill comparison. For the price of replacing the injectors every 100K to 150K on a 7.3 you could replace the entire V10 engine instead of replacing the spark plugs.
 
If I were in your shoes I'd probably keep the 7.3. Its not much of a power house but it is more than the V10 ever will be and a lot more realiable than the V10 in my opinion. Ford has never made a gas engine that was that great in my opinion. If you do decide to go with the gas truck sell the diesel out right because someone will pay closer to what it is worth. Just my two cents worth.
 
Update, I was asking 21k to sell mine outright they offered 19 trade in. My truck is clean and has low miles but it is an Ohio truck and has some surface rust underneath but nothing major no bubbling. They are asking 13k for the v10, so I would be getting 6k back. I am seriously thinking about it. If I can get the 2 year warranty on the deal i think I may do it. I love the diesel its just not practical anymore. I only haul occasionally for our hobby farm or tractors i buy to sell or restore, and a 6500lbs pulling tractor. I appreciate the info and input.
 
buy a cummins ,, and then you are set ..after 2 diesel 6.4 ford motors ,, my neighbor traded on a v -10 gasser..he is reasonably satisfied ,,it is a hogg for gas ..
 
You probably have already done your homework on what the two trucks are worth at private sale and retail prices.

One thing to keep in mind on vehicle trade-ins is your trade-in reduces the amount subject to your state sales tax. 7 percent on $13K is $910, likely more in Ohio. You would have to sell your old truck for an extra $910 or negotiate the new truck down by $910 (very possible) before you break even selling the old truck yourself.

If the new truck suits you better and you are happy with the extra money in your pocket it may be a good deal for both of you. At first it sounded like an even trade.

You could test how badly the dealer wants you old truck by asking if he will throw in an extended warranty to seal the deal. He might do it or split the cost 50-50.
 
John,
A good buddy has a V10. Loves it, never had any major issues. One problem, it LOVES gas.

I am just afraid the $6k you put in your pocket will be coming right back out for gas bills.

If you are going away from the diesel because you really dont tow that much, I would look at a 1/2 ton.

Good luck,
Rick
 
I would agree, the 6.4 motor is junk, the truck in question here is a 7.3, at least that is what I saw, the 7.3 is a great motor, and has allot more power than the V-10.
 
By the way, i have a friend who has a Ford 7.3 Diesel, with way over 350,000 miles on it, still runs great. Seriously, the 7.3 is a great motor. Weigh your options carefully before giving up a great truck.
 
I'd be keeping the "last of the 7.3's"....low miles 4x4 crew cab dually you have keeper truck!!!!

Only weak part is the automatic. Swap in a 6-speed or put in a built automatic (BTS etc) in and don't worry at all.

Top two gears in the 4R100 and Zf6 are the same, and what I gather people who have the built ATX are happy.

I have a 7.3 6-speed, I would not be trading it for a V-10 6-speed....
 
I've owned several Ford diesels, and now have an 08 V10. The only thing I don't like about the gas is the mileage. I may be odd but I find hauling heavy is where the V10 really shines. I get 7.5 to 9.5 pulling loads that my previous diesels would get 8-10. Which to me is great considering the price spread of gas and diesel here. I also use it as a daily driver, and get 11-13 depending on conditions. Power hasn't been an issue, the V10 is a little slower off the line, but once rolling has plenty of power for me. Took a load of scrap in this summer that was close to 8 tons, and pulled it just fine. My biggest complaint about this truck is the tire noise... Or maybe its just been so long since I've heard anything but a rattling diesel!
 
Hi
I got a 99 250 SD 7.3 diesel. I brought it to fix up and use. The person I got it from beat the C@#p out of it. He got it at 140.000 KMS and put it to 525.000 and did nothing only topped up the oil from the looks of it!.It runs good now it's been serviced right.
I would keep a diesel too, 7.3 are very sort after as the 6.0 diesel, and gas ones aren't popular round us. I said I would trade for the last 03 7.3 with low kms in a few years if this one happened to die.
Regards Robert
 
Hi
My 7.3 is mentioned further up 525,000 kms treated like c@#p before I got it still has original injectors. 7.3 is way better than 6.0 or the 6.4 they have huge issues.

when I looked at ford gas trucks I was told most of what I looked at was due for plugs. If they had not been done run away fast, as they break off in the heads, and that's expensive if the heads have to come off!.
So I went with the 99 diesel and saved a pile of money and still got a good truck, even although I put it in my shop and did brakes, suspension, and steering. I only serviced the motor and put a water pump on! there is nothing else wrong with that motor.
Regards Robert
 
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