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My friend was talking to me today and was telling me his company is requiring him to go to several trainings. One is a 10 hour training that the company he works for has to have to be able to go to any of their sites. It's through Chevron and he has to have it. It was 10 hours and several other companies were there, they all got compensated. His didn't. The next is one his company teaches.They are making him pay $250 for an 8 hour course and no compensation of time. There are more trainings that he was telling me about but that just seems wrong. And he works nights so he has to come in on his days off and take the trainings, during the day, then go to work the following night. It just seems wrong.
 
Wrong? He's working there if he doesn't like it
quit and 10 other guys will gladly take his place.The days of employees being cuddled are over.
BTW no one pays me for my 'training' here on the farm.
 
That is just wrong, the training is for the company's benefit and a requirement of the company therefore the company pays. He should file a complaint with Human Resources (HR) and if that doesn't work with the Feds--Labor Relations.
Traditional Farmer you do get paid for your "training". You are the company owner and the increased profits from your "training" go in your pocket.
 
There's a matter of what's right and what's legal. If he is salaried, and considered to be an "exempt" employee (exempt in this case meaning exempt from federal labor laws), his employer can expect him to work overtime without compensation. All other employees must be compensated for overtime.

Your friend can contact his state's department of labor for clarification as to whether or not he should be compensated for the mandatory training.
 
Unless there is some law requiring they pay him, I see it as just part of the sacrifices you make for the job. There were hundreds or hours I never got paid for when I worked for the State and I would have been laughed at for even asking.
 
I'd assume the 'profits' he makes from being an employee thats worth having on the payroll will go into his pockets too.People that work for someone else seem to get the idea they are 'entitled' to all sorts of things for some reason.If I were the employer I'd just say get this training if you want to continue to work for me or I'll hire someone that will and quit your crying.
 
Sucks to be him, but employees are easy to come by. My training was all paid, all thru my union.
 
I assume no one is forcing him to work there?? When I worked for ERA real estate - I had to attend several training sessions (twice a year) that I paid out of pocket for - besides "donating" my time. Also paid for my state license out of pocket. That's just the way it goes. If a job requires certain training- and you are being paid for that job - seems like getting paid for that training is an added option and not a right.

When I was a John Deere tech living in NY (with four kids) - I got sent many winters to Dubuque or Syracuse for week long training sessions. My boss opted to pay my travel expenses and base pay (aboutg 1/2 of what I normally made). I threatened to quit at one point because I didn't want to leave my family alone in the dead of winter - and he let me stay home. That he did only because I was a valued mechanic. He may of fired someone with less skills.
 
Tell him to quit and go be self employed.
Then do things like drive 30-40 miles to estimate a job and not get it, spend a lot of time after work figuring how to solve a problem and work for free if you make a mistake and have to correct it.
I'll bet he'll have more than $250 and 10 free hours into his job.
 
Last training session I was required to attend, the company paid my mileage and motel bill, but my time was my own.

I agree with others who said to try being self-employed. BTDT, too.
 
The first course if probably 10 hour OSHA. He is getting screwed, his employer should pay for these courses.
 
I hire engineers, so the retention is 90%, and have no issue paying for this training. I can see the point of the other posters after reading further. I would bet general labor has a very low retention rate. This gives the worker some skin in the game for working longer.
 
maybe they could give it to him after 6 months. Or maybe they are afraid they would pay him and the he would jackrabbit on them.Had that happen to me Cannot trust some people as far as you can throw them
 
Sounds ridiculous! I always got paid and mileage for off site training. I am glad I'm retired, at least until Wednesday, that's when the sugar beet harvest starts. There is a labor shortage in parts of MN, things are good!
 
This is only my opinion; it carries no weight of law.

If your friend is currently being compensated [paid] as if he already has the training, then he would "owe" it to the company to get the training required for the job. If, on the other hand, his pay goes up AFTER he gets the training, he will be compensated on a delayed basis.

And a lot of the right and wrong of the situation would depend upon what was spelled out about the job when he was hired. If training was mentioned, then the company is morally [but not legally] obligated to live up to their promises. If training was NOT mentioned, that puts training into a "gray area," I would think.

When I worked for a large auto dealer, parts people and mechanics were often sent to schools, at dealership expense. In return, most of us had to sign an agreement that we would continue to work there for at least a year, so that the dealership could benefit from the training expense. It makes no sense for a business to pay the expenses to train someone who is going to end up working for a competitor.

Just my opinions; void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
 
Is your friend a direct employee or is he an independent contractor?

Those are not normal practices of a healthy business. They are signs that his company is either having financial problems or they are trying to get people to leave voluntarily before they have to lay people off. Although, most companies wouldn't invest in any training before a layoff.
 
Must be paid for. If taking those courses was the only way he could keep his job, then it is considered mandatory training, from which the company benefits. (I realize he benefits from it too, but that's non-issue.) It does get confusing with 'exempt' employees, hourly employees are automatically non-exempt,(from FLSA rules) while salaried employees may be either exempt or non-exempt.

From another Website:
The time that employees spend in meetings, lectures, or training is considered hours worked and must be paid, unless:

◦Attendance is outside regular working hours;
◦Attendance is voluntary;
◦The course, lecture, or meeting is not job related; AND
◦The employee does not perform any productive work during attendance.

Before anybody calls me out on this, the word and is used, so all 4 criteria must be met.

Talk to the proper people before you try to get compensation for this time. Don't just take the information you found online to your friend and tell him to take it to his employer.

This really isn't the place to be asking. Talk to a lawyer(not likely worth it) or talk to the state labor board(Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry)
 
the company should pay, the gravel pit i haul for is in the same boat were required to have yearly MSHA training as well as new miner training for any employee hired in the previous year this is federal law and pertained to mine site employees as well as independant contractors that will be performing work on the mine site, our company is small, but they still provide pay for the the 2 day training, and a crew truck to drive to and from the training place ,as well as pay for the course itself
 
The training benefits him just as much as the company, so I wouldn't fight too hard!

That said, if it were me, after a year of training classes, I'd sit with my boss and re-evaluate my salary.

If I've got x number of new certifications under my belt, I'm worth a lot more than before I had them.

Should be an easy case to make for a big raise.
 
A local ski area didn't pay for mandatory training claiming the seasonal nature of the employment excempted them. They found out otherwise the hard way. They had to look up all past employees for the last five years and send them checks.
 
It's wrong six ways to Sunday but---. Most likely that training is Federally mandated and Federally subsidized which means the employer is fraudulent as well as being guilty of slavery. Problem is there are a lot more people than jobs now a day's so companys do what they want.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I am going to show him this and tell him about the PA Dept of Labor. I know that MSHA training was compensated, at least where I worked before and I told him that. He's a level headed guy and he was looking for some advice. You guys at least gave him a place to start. Thanks all.
 
The federal government paid for all my training. That included air fare and a rental car. Plus you received enough cash to pay for meals and lodging. You had to keep receipts for everything.
I took my wife along on some of the trips, but I had to pay her air fare. Hal
 
You, he says its through Chevron. Hmm. I work for AT&T and we have some customers that require "site specific" training to enter or perform work at them. Is common place with refineries, chemical plants, some power plants. And since some of them border bodies of water such as rivers, the Coast Guard gets involved, so there are back ground checks, drug testing, etc. When we, I go through my annual "retraining", my company opens a ticket and charges the time against the customer contract for which this time (investment) was calculated into the cost of the maintenance contracts ahead of time, and the customers know it and do not argue the fact BECAUSE they want no trouble with OSHA, the EPA, the Coast Guard, and all kinds of local, state, and federal offices, authorities, etc. Me pay for any of that? Yeah, right after h_ll freezes over.

Sounds to me as though your buddy is either working for a company that is either in over their heads, or they are taking advantage of him. Will refusal cost him his job in this down economy? Well, he has some thinking to do, questions to ask, evaluating to do. I for one will not tell him what to or not to do. He can get into trouble on his own without my help or guidance.

One thing is for sure though. The DAY that my company ever told me that I not only needed to do it, but pay for it...we would be signing a "prenuptual agreement" of sorts, because at that point, we would be married with certain guarantees in writing before I invested a penny in them. I fully understand that the economy is in the tank and these days some consessions might be necessary, but there are limts to my consessions, and such consessions would have reimbursement in writing should my position become surplused, deleted, whatever you want to call it. Mull that over a while.

Mark
 
If he is a company employee working by the hour he should be paid for all his training. He also should not have to pay for training if he is an hourly employee. All you self employed guys talking should have your training as part of your overhead and i am sure all of you have been compensated by the person you are working for for learning on the job to do something you have never done before. I was a contractor for 35 years I paid lots of folks for on the job training ans I am sure you have to. Yes you may drive 30 or 40 miles to estimate a job you did not get but that should be in your overhead too. i have done the same and like a lot of other contractors or companies have spent hours estimating a job I did not get. Do you farm, hire someone to help you, bet you pay some of them while you are teaching them how you want them to do the work for you. Think about it. You ain't as bad a?? as you thought you were. You have paid or been paid for training too.
 
Perhaps you are correct and a better business-man than me. Whenever I had a boss - come quitting time I could forget about my day-job and just live my life.

When self-employed (and I still am) - I spend a lot of time planning and/or thinking about on-going projects. Nobody pays me for that so I call it "working for free." It's all part of being self-employed and I'm not complaining. If you think that's being a "bad business-person", I wonder what you call "good." Charging customers for your thoughts, worries, and/or plannning?

Then of course there are many "freebies" I sometimes give to customers I've known for years that just need something minor that I can do quickly. I sometimes do it for "no charge" and mentally write if off as good public relations. You call it "bad business" I guess.
 
(quoted from post at 01:12:48 10/01/13) Perhaps you are correct and a better business-man than me. Whenever I had a boss - come quitting time I could forget about my day-job and just live my life.

When self-employed (and I still am) - I spend a lot of time planning and/or thinking about on-going projects. Nobody pays me for that so I call it "working for free." It's all part of being self-employed and I'm not complaining. If you think that's being a "bad business-person", I wonder what you call "good." Charging customers for your thoughts, worries, and/or plannning?

Then of course there are many "freebies" I sometimes give to customers I've known for years that just need something minor that I can do quickly. I sometimes do it for "no charge" and mentally write if off as good public relations. You call it "bad business" I guess.
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he person receiving the training should pay for being trained & upping his job skills & value. Everybody wants something for free!!!!
I had to pay to go to tech school & pay to go to college. Nobody paid me to go to school!
 
Most business owners spend hours and hours not getting paid but in the long run they get that money back in repeat business, referrals, and actually staying in business. You don't usually start your own business if you want to work 9-5.
 

I helped some friends by driving one of their trucks for about six days on an excavation project. They should make reasonably good money on the job, but not a whole lot because they had to bid for it. One of the brothers told me that they spent 60 hours in the evenings after work, working up the bid. with no guarantee of getting paid.
 
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