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Seems to have stired up some people about horse shoes and steel wheels wear on roadways, They do wear the road some, I don't think the horse and buggy hurt the road as bad as trucks. But The Amish Man I seen going down the road on a Farmall M pulling a load of baled hay with steel wheels all round, Plus cleats on the rear of the M Was sure getting it done.
 
After they first started chip-sealing the back roads around here in the '50's, there were signs every so often that read "Road closed to sharp shod animals and vehicles with lugs on wheels."

Sure wish I'd have got one of them before they all were taken down.
 
The very day you posted that picture of the thrown shoe, I encountered one laying on the roadway near the site of the Blanchard steam show. Should have pulled over and picked it up... Don"t think there were any Amish horses at the show, but there were some young Amish men at the show. Talked to them about our steam thrashing operation, and binding the oats, shocking them, and transporting... THey seemed interested, and acted like they were not totally familiar with the operation, which suprised me. The Amish around here do bind, shock and thresh the oats with a threshing machine powered with a cart mounted engine and a long belt.
 
If they were youngin They may not have run the Threshing Machine, Round here the old men run them. BUT the should of been familiar with shocking them, Seems like if they are old enought to walk they are out there shocking them round here. They May of just been pissin around with you too. Young Amish boys love to do that around here.
 
Here's another shoe from about 2 months ago. This one was stuck tight in the Tar and Chip Roadway
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Damn amish have hardfacing put on their horseshoes around here and they will flat chew right through regular asphalt. We run rubber tires there ain't no reason they shouldn't have to run rubber horseshoes.
 
Rubber shoes - that would be a hoot! LOL! You guys must have poor roads! The Amish here have "cleats" (can't think of the REAL term, offhand....) welded to the bottom of the shoes for traction. You can barely see the "horse prints" on GRAVEL roads, let alone ANY effect on pavement. They also stay on they shoulders (when they can), so absent minded "English" don't run them over.....
You MIGHT see a trace from a steel wheeled WAGON, but rarely. Our bunch is not allowed to use tractors, so no steel lugs.
 
(quoted from post at 14:53:28 08/25/13) Rubber shoes - that would be a hoot! LOL! You guys must have poor roads! The Amish here have "cleats" (can't think of the REAL term, offhand....) welded to the bottom of the shoes for traction. You can barely see the "horse prints" on GRAVEL roads, let alone ANY effect on pavement. They also stay on they shoulders (when they can), so absent minded "English" don't run them over.....
You MIGHT see a trace from a steel wheeled WAGON, but rarely. Our bunch is not allowed to use tractors, so no steel lugs.
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You must have poor Amish that can't afford good shoes and rims. In our area we might have 3-4 different groups that have church on the same Sunday and that can mean up to 100 buggies traveling the same roads in different directions. That happens twice daily and on Church Sunday's the road is white with tire, and shoe tracks. After a couple years of that kind of abuse, the road is so grooved that warning signs are put up to warn motorcycles of grooves.
 
Same here! Steel tires on wooden rims. Several
districts in our area, plus Menonite (who use
buggies), and German Baptists, who use buggies. The
only "tracks" on pavement are a few yards until the
dust wears off the shoes/tires. But - then again,
those white tracks from car tires go even
further....
 
Here's a pic of a cheap township blacktop road in my area, This is the type of road that on a hot day will suck their shoes off quicker than you can say horse chit. I took the pictrue because on the corn growing on the berm, But you can also see Amish "tracks" and horse shoe "scuffs".
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Scuffs and tracks are nothing. Looks like a normal road. If a buggy makes a "cut", then the asphalt isn't very good.
 
don"t notice blacktop being tore up but the constant pounding leaves a low spot where the horse travels then water stands in it, makes for some interesting travel when it"s raining
 
Yeah I agree I don't think they hurt it, But it is interesting what ohiojim said about the Pounding causeing a low spot.
 
That looks a bit like the tracks a snowmobile with carbide runners and a carbide studded track leaves. A 16 year old kid on one of those with 100+ horsepower can tear up some ashphalt fast, but they are usually traveling across a road and not down the road when they gun the throttle.
 
Whuts the big deal bout yer amish post? Most a the amish roun here use the same kinda posts us English use- bout 4 or 5" by 7 1/2 or 8 foot long.....
 
I gess I get worked up over Amish they moved in bought land at big prices,now there places look like dumps,we all had flat tires ever week,told them they could pay to have them fixed that helped some,the roads are still a mess with all the horse $hit,they travel at night no lights on black wagons thats a real eyeopener at midnight,about 100% increase in traffic on our road people wanting to see them they left DISAPOINTED!!!
 
Yeah, but they dig all the holes by hand, and cuss in German and Dutch! It makes the post stand just a LITTLE straighter.....
 
Several years ago I traveled to Lancaster County and noticed the rural roads that the Amish use were dished out on the right side of the lanes. Not from the buggy steel tires but from the hard surfacing on the horse shoes. Some roads were worse than others and at times made driving a car on those roads a bit of a challenge. The county or state would pave a strip over the dished out section to level up the lane again. I assumed this had to be done every few years. I also figured the Amish pay taxes, like everyone else so they have a right to wear out the roads too.

Where I live, we don't have Amish, we have studded tires from Oct. thru April that wear out our roads. On heavy traveled roads like interstate highways it is very noticeable. This again amounts to re-surfacing every few years.
As for the horse shoes coming off on the road, yes it can cause flat tires, just like junk that comes off a pickup or trailer on the way to the dump. I guess it's kind of like if you lost a chunk of steel or scrap lumber off your load, would you go back and pick it up? Driving a horse and buggy you might not realize your horse has lost a shoe when it flies off. Then to find a place to tie the horse and walk back to retrieve the shoe so it can be nailed back on, isn't too likely. For the horse owner, it's a lot cheaper to have the shoe nailed back on than to start with a new shoe. Things happen to all of us and most of the time it isn't deliberate.

My two cents worth,
Dick
 
Most of the rural roads round here that have the strip re black toped are old 8 ft. cow paths that they wideed to 15 ft. with no base under them.
 
(quoted from post at 18:24:05 08/25/13) I gess I get worked up over Amish they moved in bought land at big prices,now there places look like dumps,we all had flat tires ever week,told them they could pay to have them fixed that helped some,the roads are still a mess with all the horse $hit,they travel at night no lights on black wagons thats a real eyeopener at midnight,about 100% increase in traffic on our road people wanting to see them they left DISAPOINTED!!!
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The Amish moved in here, paid fair market value for dumps and turned the over grown brushy propertry into nice looking, productive farms. These days the only new construction is Amish it seems and they pay their taxes too, unlike the former tenants. Yup, there's horse poop in the road. It washes right off. There's a lot more cow poop in the road and the liquid manure smell will gag and maggot. There's no million gallon lagoons collapsing and polluting 30 miles of river either with the Amish.

Our Amish use black buggies with reflective tape and a single lantern. Believe it or not if you drive with your eyes open you can see them just fine.
 
Some people get that quaint warm feeling and imagine Laura Inglalls and Little House on the Prairie . When they see horses and buggies.
Sorry folks, they are Almish or Menonite.
 

As usual B+D, I have no clue what the point of your post is. They aren't "Almish", they are "Amish" which comes from the name of one of their founders over in Germany/Switzerland Jakob Ammann back in the late 1600's.

There's nothing remotely Little House on the Prairie about our Amish, especially if you go to their machine shops. They make good neighbors mostly and pay their taxes. That's more than I can say for a lot of other people.
 
I dont know much about the Amish but the little I do know I have alot of respect for them. I think they are hard working people that hold their values. Pretty sure they dont got their ask in front of the puter all day...lol
 
Well here they dont pay anything to use the roads they wear out,and tried ever way under the sun to get out of paying property taxes but the county made them pay.I feel sure they dont pay income tax most of the dont have a SSN
 
They do pay income tax and they do buy tags for their buggies just like you do for your car. And I see no dammage to the roads. See more dammage when someone drops a piece of machinery by putting a wheel in the ditch without having it raised enough.
 
(quoted from post at 18:39:22 08/26/13) Well here they dont pay anything to use the roads they wear out,and tried ever way under the sun to get out of paying property taxes but the county made them pay.I feel sure they dont pay income tax most of the dont have a SSN
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They pay county and school taxes, sales tax, income tax, etc. just like we do. They don't contribute to Social Security but they don't receive SS, Medicaide, etc. either.
 
So how did these Amish become such perfect people that you
put them on a pedistal and worship them, make excuses for
them etc?
 
I agree with you on this one. Around here they have people work their fields with tractors then they set up with their straw hats and litter of kids at farmers markets like they do all the work. They expect discounts on everything they buy cuz they are Amish but want a premium when they sell stuff because they are Amish. They dont want to be part of the english world but dont mind doing buisness with it. At least it gives quite a few lazy English that wont do anything else jobs by running them around in their trucks.
 
(quoted from post at 12:10:14 08/27/13) So how did these Amish become such perfect people that you
put them on a pedistal and worship them, make excuses for
them etc?
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I'm not making excuses or putting any one on a pedestal. But I'm not going to hear baseless charges and opinions based in sheer bigotry stand without comment either. As I said, they aren't saints, they're just people like the rest of us- good and bad. As group in my area, they're pretty decent people, especially compared to the druggies and mutts on welfare. They work their butts off. They make good neighbors usually. It's not them buying up land at top dollar or tearing up the roads and it's not them sucking off the taxpayers. That's pretty much what I'm saying.
 
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