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getting casual labor, or even full time labor like we do up here. Its almost impossible to find any kind of help :cry:
 
A lot of them are probably getting unemployment checks. So they stay up late and get up late. A lot of them are getting food stamps so why work.
You don't have to pay any taxes then. Hal
 
That is the issue with the unemployment rate. There are about 5-7% of the people that you do not want to hire, so a rate of 10% means there are some people you want to hire.
 
Lyle here in North Central, Mn a lot of contractors are hurting for help due to ND oilfields being so close. I'm inspecting a road construction job here right now with a 32.00/hour with fringe prevailing wage rate for flagmen! We have a pair currently that the contractor hasn't managed to fire yet although one shows up late daily and the other ran out of gas on Wednesday in the middle of the job during the workday in there personal vehicle! Nobody wants to get dirty or inconvenienced at work. Heck my third day in heavy construction 18 years ago we ruptured a force main on the job and bunch of us took a turd bath. Now if they have to stand all day they whine.
 
I have been thinking this for years, eventually a professional labouror will be worth more then a computor programmer.
 
Lyle my friend ,all your troubles are almost over. Once thoses 3 girls of yours start drawing in the boy friends, and future husbands. You will have the world by the tail, in a down hill pull.An entire work force of able bodied men , in the prime of thier lives, showing how tough they are. I had 3 sons, and thought I had growen my own help,worked for a while. Then they got jobs and girl friends. Only one son home working on the farm now, the other two are just home freeloading... for now, but that is going to end soon.
 
Yep,

No one knows how to work anymore.

I finally 'stumbled' on a guy who fit the bill. Payin' him an arm and a leg, but that lad is worth it. He can ALMOST out work me. :>)

Allan
 
Same here in our area. Got one good one out of ten. She has been with us for three years. Only she get's to run equipment. The other ones always in trouble with the law. Drugs, and DUI's. SOMETIMES work release help isn't to bad. Just gotta haul them back and fourth.
 
Why do you think 11 million illegals came to America? They work, everyday. They show up and they are willing to sweat. Reported unemployment rate for common laborers is over 10%, but there is plenty of work...but not many American takers for that kind of effort. Day laborers here can make $10/hr. cash. Few apply, even fewer show up after lunch.

I hate to say it, but I have experienced it first hand. I even offered $20/hr for a part time tractor driver capable of operating a baler. Widely circulated the offer.
NO TAKERS!
 
Since I retired,I was wanting some part time work, two to three days a week, and was worried that I couldn't find anything. You guys are giving me hope.

Whatever I do though is going to be cash work. I am done paying frickin' taxes.

They are going to tax my retirement so I think I have paid my share.

Gene
 
On occasion I'm in need or pure grunt non skilled labor (rough painting, farm clean up, rought barn carpentry, junk removal etc) which I usually find okay on Craigs List. If they show up and work at days end I usually pay around $10 per hour cash then see if they want to come another day or not. Its worked okay so far

John T
 
(quoted from post at 08:05:20 08/17/13) Lyle my friend ,all your troubles are almost over. Once thoses 3 girls of yours start drawing in the boy friends, and future husbands. You will have the world by the tail, in a down hill pull.An entire work force of able bodied men , in the prime of thier lives, showing how tough they are. I had 3 sons, and thought I had growen my own help,worked for a while. Then they got jobs and girl friends. Only one son home working on the farm now, the other two are just home freeloading... for now, but that is going to end soon.
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I have 2 daughters with boyfriends, these guy's are about as useless as T1ts on a boar.:roll:
I got 2 grown Sons, they to busy with their own lives now to give a hand anymore :(
At least they ain't freeloading and live on their own.
 
I can't even get my kids to work around here, who,
by the way, live here for FREE , and OWE ME
MONEY , and THINK THEY WILL GET THIS PLACE WHEN I
CROAK!!!!! Boy, are they in for a RUDE
AWAKENING!!!!!
 
Where we stay in Florida over the winter either at one local convenience store of Home Depot parking lot early each AM several what may be illegal aliens hang out, a construction or truck farming or citrus looking truck will come by, they chat a minute, workers crawl in the back, at the end of the day they are returned and paid, of course, in cash. Id guess its a dont ask dont tell sort of arrangement.

"Calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker is like calling a drug dealer an unregistered pharmacist" saw that posted somewhere

John T
 
HA, we used to be in competition with the neighbor kids for work -- now you can't find one that will do a dang thing.
 
Just be prepared. When we send those guys back over the border, the weeds will be everywhere, the roofs won't get fixed as often, and the prices for food and many other items will jump.
Most people are painfully naive about reality.

It's Ok...just don't be surprised.
 
(quoted from post at 08:22:17 08/17/13) Why do you think 11 million illegals came to America? They work, everyday. They show up and they are willing to sweat. Reported unemployment rate for common laborers is over 10%, but there is plenty of work...but not many American takers for that kind of effort. Day laborers here can make $10/hr. cash. Few apply, even fewer show up after lunch.

I hate to say it, but I have experienced it first hand. I even offered $20/hr for a part time tractor driver capable of operating a baler. Widely circulated the offer.
NO TAKERS!
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Dang Edd, move to MN I'll bale for you at 20 an hour! All day and half the night!

Rick
 
I have a solution.... People who dont work or dont show up for work should be rounded up by the fuzz and sent to forced labour camps for re education!!. OH wait! what about the human rights issue.... Well I say take the human rights issue and stick it up where the sun dont shine!!!
 
I can get two right now when they are not working for someone else, one is 60 and the other is 64, both lost their long time jobs in the last few years due to various slow downs and then not being called back because of their ages. My oldest Son helps all the time on his days off but the youngest Son works pipelining and is gone most of the time. When my Sons were growing up they had some friends that liked to make money and they knew which ones were stupid and would wind up getting hurt and which ones were lazy so it worked out good.
 
Lyle, yea it's a problem here. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a soft easy job that doesn't require physical labor, dirt or sweat. For the most part the younger people today will not even apply for a job that requires anything resembling physical labor. They will sure set around and cry about not having any money though. We got a young local kid, just graduated from high school, that everyone, myself included, thought was going to be a lost cause. Didn't want to continue his education. Didn't work out very well running a cash register and in general pretty lazy. He took a job for a local farmer who is known to demand his employees work pretty hard. We were taking bets on just how long he would last. Kid turns out to love it and is working his butt off.

Rick
 
If we cut EBT cards and section 8 cold turkey there would be plenty of weed pullers and roof fixers in short order, of course, cutting BUM benefits is less likely to happen than sending anyone back across the border, which there is zero chance of.
 
Lyle. Not speaking for most folks around here, the farmers / businesses want CHEAP LABOR. No decent living wages/ Health care for them and their families who work for a living.Those who look for workers Never Ever ask themselves "Could I live on what they are offering to pay?". I'm not being SALTY or argumentative, just my humble opinion .While I also don't believe some folks should be getting gov't help when they surely don't need or want it also.Those who are seeking employees want to pay little or nothing and expect the government to kick in subsidies so business can enjoy cheap labor at tax payers expense.Temporary help can't be expected to be in favor of low paying jobs, when the job market is so weak.
LOU
 
Lyle, the U.S. Army used to do that kind of conscription and punishment: "Greatings, you have been selected by your..."

They eventually raised their wages and benefits and now they have to turn away volunteers.
 
Wish I was closer too. I retired 5 years ago and offered to help a few farmers around here with no takers. They all have big equipment and do not need much labor. I grew up on a farm and still have a little ground but rented out. I even offered my remaining tractor when one farmer needed a smaller tractor for a job for a few days. It was the wrong color for him so he rented one from a dealer and took time away from other jobs to do it himself. I think I will just check into government programs and see if I can become the next millionaire.
 
It's tough. I have benefits, health insurance, holiday pay and more. They all say they want to work, but when it gets 105 degrees and we need to mow or dig holes, some of them just give up. They say my pay is good, but they can make a little less and just set at home. Nice. I have 40 to 50 year old fellas from south of the border who work every day and will work circles around some of these 20 something white kids.
 
I'm in ohio and have the same trouble with most business people.They will give you an estimate and never show up.I pay in cash,and that doesn't seem to help.
 
(quoted from post at 10:11:39 08/17/13) Lyle. Not speaking for most folks around here, the farmers / businesses want CHEAP LABOR. No decent living wages/ Health care for them and their families who work for a living.Those who look for workers Never Ever ask themselves "Could I live on what they are offering to pay?". I'm not being SALTY or argumentative, just my humble opinion .While I also don't believe some folks should be getting gov't help when they surely don't need or want it also.Those who are seeking employees want to pay little or nothing and expect the government to kick in subsidies so business can enjoy cheap labor at tax payers expense.Temporary help can't be expected to be in favor of low paying jobs, when the job market is so weak.
LOU
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Lou it isn't that the businesses want cheap labor, they have to have it to be competitive. They can't compete they can't stay in business. If they can't get employees cheap they outsource to stay competitive. If you passed mandatory 15 buck an hour pay the guys currently making 20 would demand an equal pay raise as the same with 30,50 and 50 an hour. Within a year or 2 that 15 bucks an hour wouldn't buy one more thing than 7.50 buys today. And bennies? That's what cause both GM and Chrysler to be bailed out. Total cost of a new car or truck, about 36% to current workers pay and compensations. Another 31% to retirees pay and bennies. If they could get out of paying that 31% they could reduce the price of a new vehicle by that 31% and still have the same profit margin.

Rick
 
These days most of them come to go on welfare, they are recruited by the party currently in control of the executive branch, don't you see the signs on the interstate begging people to sign up on taxpayer handouts regardless of ''status''? The ones who do work send 70% or more of the money they earn back home so they are not exactly assets to the US economy in general.
 
My big problem is I've sunk nearly all my savings into livestock, feed and fencing. I won't have any $$$ until maybe December or January. Few day laborers are willing to work for free. Luckily, my nephew is out of work and close by.
 
Battled that problem from 2002 to 2007.Plenty of no help,even
though they said they were qualified,couldn't get any good help.I
canned more people than a tuna factory cans tuna.The housing
industry tanked I went from framing houses back to finish work
which we started the business with this discipline.Hard transition
as most of my old accounts got new contractors.Thankfully some
liked our work and we got the account back.Still feels like we are
sledding uphill though.Collecting is the hard part now.

Last remaining person working with me has been with us since
2001 and he is 56 years old.

I feel your pain.

Vito
 
Hard to find a fellow that will stack 12000 BF, clean out a couple thousand feet of ditch,

And fix a track on the hoe all in one day,,, then remember to feed the cat before leaving the shop. At any price .

Heck you"d kill me before dinner time . just fetching the water bucket fer yer crew, and a pint of milk fer Smokey .
 
All that is beside the point. Welfare does a better job of making a living wage then some jobs do. Why should a person sweat their arse off for 8.00/hour when they can make that sitting on their arse. The other half of that is that most business owners have a superiority complex and think that all employees should bow to them for giving them a job, even if it's not enough to live on. Further more, the competition think is hokum. Look at American Apparel, they're competing with Asian sweatshops and factories, all while paying $12/hour minimum, producing everything in Los Angeles.
 
i"m no stranger to work, but i"ve seen how much you get done and i"d hate to try to keep up with ya, maybe i should hire you.....LOL
 
Many people say todays kids don't want to work. That is not always the case. Around here high school kids do join sports teams, academic clubs, school bands, church groups, and do volunteer work. All those activities require them to be on time, to take direction, to work with others. Most sports require hard physical work and pain, but the kids are happy to do it. The kids do those things for free and sometimes pay fees to join in.

The working conditions, the companionship, and the rewards may be the difference.
 
Dang, I was hoping with the economy like it is it would be easier to get help. I haven't had anyone working for me in 20 years when I couldn't even get someone to sweep the floor. Now I'm getting too old to work alone and have been thinking of hiring again.
 
We have people that come to the feed store where I work. Not looking to work,just need to say that they applied for a job. So they can get the welfare check.
 
You can only get free milk until the cow goes dry. When the cow is dry you can go as far as to kill her and you still will not get milk from her.
 
Guess after telling the young people all these years, They didn't what to do that and get a good job! Think they are holding out for the pie in the sky job some one told them about?
 
The best thing people shoud do now is sit at home, play video games and watch TV until thier high paying job comes. When it does come they should wiegh in at about 400 lbs. That is an ideal wieght for people to start a new job..lol
 
Works both ways. Employers can only get employees below cost for so long. I'm not arguing so much as saying that people aren't looking at the whole picture/ not looking at it from enough angles. There are too many companies out there paying fair wages to say that it isn't possible because of competition. Look at Costco. They pay top wages and offer the lowest prices available anywhere AND make money. The people offering low wages either aren't much of a business person OR are greedy. Paying a living wage is possible in almost any business.
 
Let me add that I am not saying that people aren't lazy. I absolutely think there are ALOT of lazy people. However, it takes motivation to go to work. There's not much motivation when the choices are work your arse off, and have no money left at the end of the day, or stay home, do nothing, and still have no money left. Money is the ONLY motivation, and if money isn't being offered in reasonabe quanities, no work gets done.
 
Its not about wages, people are just to lazy to go to work. The guy who was supposed to come and help today phones me at 4 pm and says he couldny come today because his parents couldnt wake him up this morning so he missed out on his ride. This guy is 30 years old! There is something wrong with this picture dont ya think???
 
I gave up on 18 to 30 years old White boys 5 years ago, Only people I ask are Amish boys 10 bucks a hr. Pick em up take em home. They are ready to work and have their lunch and water jugs with them, most times They KNOW how to do the job just say, DO THIS. They call Me now looking fer work. Last 17 year old english boy I had here didn't know how to stack fire wood or drive nails. B itched bout working so hard, That I had to stop what I was doing so he could get rested up from watching ME WORK.
 
Yep it's tough here too (VIsland and Metro Van area.
For your general part time high school labourer I've had them all. I lost my best kid this spring - he is now an apprentice electrician working in the NWT for the next three months. He finished his school in Feb, told me he was looking for a job with an electrition on Sat morning, but would work as long as he could for me. At noon he got a call and had a job lined up in Kamloops starting Monday morning. I'm happy and proud of that kid.

Then there are the other tools who havent a clue how to work or even apply themselves. I had two guys stacking a load of old cedar shakes for kindling. Came back 1/2 hour later and they were picking up one shake at a time and walking three steps to the bin to stack...needles to say they are no longer employed.

I just started a new kid last week. Seems promising. He is 16 and has grown up hunting and camping and WORKING with his dad.

There are good ones out there, but they are few and far between.
Grant
 
Like I said, I'm not really trying to argue too much, nor am I saying that people aren't lazy, because heaven knows they are. My 'argument' was about paying wages below the cost of living. There's simply no good argument for it. I'm pretty sure that you're offering a good wage, given that you live in northern Alberta. If there's any one place that demanded a good wage it's Alberta (or North Dakota)
 
I used to work at a smelting plant, very dirty and dangerous. They always had a lot of job aps. just so they would stay on umployment. Owner would get their aps, and "hire" them on the spot!Of course they never showed up for work, then the fun part, he would call the unemployment fokes and inform them the "guy" turned down a job offer.Needless to say word got around and no more deadbeats "looking" for a job.
joe
 
Maybe put an ad in a Detroit newspaper. Room and
board and a healthy work ethic supplied. Plus $$
after a month. Seriously, maybe give someone a
chance to save themselves.

(Even on my best day, I couldn't keep up to you.
And my nickname was 'Sweat River'.)
good luck
Kenny
 
its been a long time since i had to look for work .
i gota turn it a way .
my boss has had good luck finding young people who want to and willing to work .
the boss has more headaches with middle age guys not working .
 
That's what I wonder, they always point at gm and Chrysler but no one ever says anything about ford.
 
(quoted from post at 18:46:46 08/17/13) getting casual labor, or even full time labor like we do up here. Its almost impossible to find any kind of help :cry:
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If you don't have nothing and don't plan on ever having anything why would you work...

I just let a guy go I have trained for 2 years,,, he would hit spurts were he would work 2/3 weeks in a row... He may have put in a 35 hr. week a few times he averaged 22/25hr.. I put up with him because he was a good worker when here, I fell and injured my shoulder and my wife was dieing of cancer... The wife's gone I am back to 90% and got tired of not being able to depend on him...

He got on food stamps about a year ago and he went down hill from their... He brought me some papers to sign when he applied for food stamps I would not sign them,,, SS called me and said I had to I told them I was at the shop 60 to 80 hours a week 7 days a week he could work any 40 of those hours he wanted to he did not need food stamps... He got them anyways :shock:
 
Short term there might be an increase in crime, but 90% of it would be them preying on their own kind because they are too lazy and stupid to walk out in the country side and steal and pillage, plus there would be people fighting back in the suburbs and rural areas. There are an awful lot of them simply taking advantage of the situation because its so easy to sign up and qualify for many of these programs, the current government wants as many people dependent as possible and they have smoothed the track, if the benefits ended many would quit breeding and get some sort of job so they could have cigarettes and beer.
 
(quoted from post at 16:34:28 08/17/13) Like I said, I'm not really trying to argue too much, nor am I saying that people aren't lazy, because heaven knows they are. My 'argument' was about paying wages below the cost of living. There's simply no good argument for it. I'm pretty sure that you're offering a good wage, given that you live in northern Alberta. If there's any one place that demanded a good wage it's Alberta (or North Dakota)
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The thing you are missing is that Costco hires at a good wage full time and then cuts hours back to part time. They get better help that way then stick the employees. They did it in Fargo (where I go) in Brainerd and in St Could. It's been in the news. They have to do something to keep cost down to compete with Sam's Club and others. They have to make enough to pay employees and utilities and purchase merchandize to sell. If they get to the point of having to borrow money to put products on the shelves then they will not last long. Don't even go with the CEO pay thing. If the CEO of Wal Mart gave his entire pay package to the employees as a bonus it would amount to less than 9 bucks a person. Go take a business class if you haven't already. What you will learn is amazing. Lets say you could make minimum wage 15 an today. The guy making 15 and hour already is going to want a 7.75 pay raise to keep the parity because he went to school to get that pay. The guys making 20, 30, 40 and more an hour are going to demand it too. That will cause the employers to raise prices to keep the same profit margins flowing. That causes inflation and within a year or so that 15 bucks an hour will not be a living wage. Minimum wage laws have been on the books for a very long time now and every time they have been upped so has risen inflation. The best it's ever been purchase power wise was in 1968. Too many today are lazy with unreasonable expectations.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 10:11:39 08/17/13) Lyle. Not speaking for most folks around here, the farmers / businesses want CHEAP LABOR. No decent living wages/ Health care for them and their families who work for a living.Those who look for workers Never Ever ask themselves "Could I live on what they are offering to pay?". I'm not being SALTY or argumentative, just my humble opinion .While I also don't believe some folks should be getting gov't help when they surely don't need or want it also.Those who are seeking employees want to pay little or nothing and expect the government to kick in subsidies so business can enjoy cheap labor at tax payers expense.Temporary help can't be expected to be in favor of low paying jobs, when the job market is so weak.
LOU
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Lou, the thing is, no one has ever been paid a "living wage" and gotten health care and retirement and such for bend and carry work. No one has ever been able to live just on part time bale stacking or barn cleaning. There is no way I'm even going to consider paying a 20 something $10.00 to come here do less work than I do- and that's what happens every time, I end up doing a lot more work than they do. So in the rare even I do hire someone, I'm nopt going to fell too bad about them not getting rich for putting minimum effort into the job at hand or their life in general.

They are called entry level jobs for a reason.
 
My father worked on a ranch. Where the Mexican worker had to go back home. For his mothers funeral. Hired two white kids. After a week of maybe they will show up. He fired both of them. Told them he was going to the zoo. To hire a monkey until the Mexican can get back.
 
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(quoted from post at 10:11:39 08/17/13) Lyle. Not speaking for most folks around here, the farmers / businesses want CHEAP LABOR. No decent living wages/ Health care for them and their families who work for a living.Those who look for workers Never Ever ask themselves "Could I live on what they are offering to pay?". I'm not being SALTY or argumentative, just my humble opinion .While I also don't believe some folks should be getting gov't help when they surely don't need or want it also.Those who are seeking employees want to pay little or nothing and expect the government to kick in subsidies so business can enjoy cheap labor at tax payers expense.Temporary help can't be expected to be in favor of low paying jobs, when the job market is so weak.
LOU
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Lou, the thing is, no one has ever been paid a "living wage" and gotten health care and retirement and such for bend and carry work. No one has ever been able to live just on part time bale stacking or barn cleaning. There is no way I'm even going to consider paying a 20 something $10.00 to come here do less work than I do- and that's what happens every time, I end up doing a lot more work than they do. So in the rare even I do hire someone, I'm nopt going to fell too bad about them not getting rich for putting minimum effort into the job at hand or their life in general.

They are called entry level jobs for a reason.
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Bret, I take you've never worked construction or driven a delivery truck. Bend and carry, which will make a fairly good living wage.
 
I think there are a multitude of problems today with employers and employees alike. To many employers want something for nothing. Fortunately for them potential employees give them plenty of fodder to chew up. Quick lube places are a good example. They are looking to make a profit on quick cheap oil changes and part of that is cheap labor. Now here's Johnny, fresh out of high school, not wanting to go back to school, no job skills but an interest in mechanics. Well they are not looking to hire a skilled mechanic with about 5K invested in tools so they are not going to pay skilled mechanic wages. So Johnny is a minimum wage worker who isn't happy with his job. He shows up late, leaves early and calls in sick as much as he can. But he's convinced he's worth a lot more an hour. Pretty soon he's back on the street looking for another job and the quick lube place is looking for another worker. Thing is Johnny has already started making poor life decisions that unless he gets his head out will follow him his entire life all the while complaining that he isn't earning a "living wage". In 10 years he'll be drinking beer with his buddies crying about not getting a fair chance and how "the man is keeping him down". He'll be married with a couple of kids, drawing welfare (it's welfare folks, not an entitlement, to be entitled to something you MUST earn it). He'll never look at any job training program because "that would be caving in to the man". Entry level jobs at minimum wage are just that. They are there to get you started to learn good work ethic so you can move on to bigger and better things. These are jobs for high school kids and college students who need extra income to finish up their education that will lead to a better job. I remember back in the 60's in grade school the teacher telling us we all wanted good educations so we can get good jobs like "doctor, lawyer or other white collar" jobs. The teachers went out of their way to ridicule labor intensive and dirty jobs. I know that hasn't improved through the years. It's not the kids being bad people. It's the fact they have been taught that they are too good to stack hay and that mom and dad owe him a car, Ipod and spending money.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 19:08:29 08/18/13) I think there are a multitude of problems today with employers and employees alike. To many employers want something for nothing. Fortunately for them potential employees give them plenty of fodder to chew up. Quick lube places are a good example. They are looking to make a profit on quick cheap oil changes and part of that is cheap labor. Now here's Johnny, fresh out of high school, not wanting to go back to school, no job skills but an interest in mechanics. Well they are not looking to hire a skilled mechanic with about 5K invested in tools so they are not going to pay skilled mechanic wages. So Johnny is a minimum wage worker who isn't happy with his job. He shows up late, leaves early and calls in sick as much as he can. But he's convinced he's worth a lot more an hour. Pretty soon he's back on the street looking for another job and the quick lube place is looking for another worker. Thing is Johnny has already started making poor life decisions that unless he gets his head out will follow him his entire life all the while complaining that he isn't earning a "living wage". In 10 years he'll be drinking beer with his buddies crying about not getting a fair chance and how "the man is keeping him down". He'll be married with a couple of kids, drawing welfare (it's welfare folks, not an entitlement, to be entitled to something you MUST earn it). He'll never look at any job training program because "that would be caving in to the man". Entry level jobs at minimum wage are just that. They are there to get you started to learn good work ethic so you can move on to bigger and better things. These are jobs for high school kids and college students who need extra income to finish up their education that will lead to a better job. I remember back in the 60's in grade school the teacher telling us we all wanted good educations so we can get good jobs like "doctor, lawyer or other white collar" jobs. The teachers went out of their way to ridicule labor intensive and dirty jobs. I know that hasn't improved through the years. It's not the kids being bad people. It's the fact they have been taught that they are too good to stack hay and that mom and dad owe him a car, Ipod and spending money.

Rick
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You said a moufh full their...

"Entry level jobs at minimum wage are just that. They are there to get you started to learn good work ethic so you can move on to bigger and better things"
 
It's the parents fault!! The fella that I had hired was supposed to come today, I give him a call at 730 am and the mother answered I asked if he was gonna come to work today and she said she wil try to wake him up.... OK, its 1030am right now and no one has showed up... This fella is 30 years old..... OK, why are the parents feeding that no good flea bag if he is not even making an effort to make a few bucks!! If any of you people have kids like that you are not doing them any favours by keeping them at home. I cant say what I woud do yet because my kids are not at a working age yet... I hope I will not have to deal with that kind of stuff!
 
People just have no ambition anymore.
Ambition to make your own trails en become somebody and make a life for yourself. Ambition to walk a step ahead of the crowd and grab an opportunity when it comes along.
And EVERYBODY GETS OPPORTUNITIES.

Welfare was a nice concept to tide people over a bad spot when it was implemented but it has become a way of life for many, it is to easy a money to be had and nowadays few people would be ashamed to take it.
 
Don't totally blame the kids. I went home for my annual family get together and found the state had my neice in a bind. The boy who is 15 was driving a small tractor in tobacco. State of Indiana found out and took her to court. He must be at least 18 to operate equipement.
I worked tobacco and hay to pay for school clothes until I went in the Army at 17 1/2.
The laws are kinda harsh. Kid cannot even work on a hay wagon?
I know there is some equipment that kids should not be around...but a 140 in tobacco? Come on folks.
 
Working construction, real construction, is not bend and carry anymore than driving a delivery truck is and yes, I've done both. Both jobs were well above min wage. These days real construction or delivery work is often UNION work a\nd pays high wages.

Bend and carry. min wage is stacking bales, mucking out calf stalls, stocking shelves, picking rocks, tailing at a sawmill, etc. "Bubba work" as a friend called it. And I've had plenty of those jobs, often 2 or 3 at a time. That's how we got by. The point is we call them entry level, minimum wage jobs for a reason- it's your chance to prove yourself worthy of something better.
 
(quoted from post at 08:08:29 08/18/13) I think there are a multitude of problems today with employers and employees alike. To many employers want something for nothing. Fortunately for them potential employees give them plenty of fodder to chew up. Quick lube places are a good example. They are looking to make a profit on quick cheap oil changes and part of that is cheap labor. Now here's Johnny, fresh out of high school, not wanting to go back to school, no job skills but an interest in mechanics. Well they are not looking to hire a skilled mechanic with about 5K invested in tools so they are not going to pay skilled mechanic wages. So Johnny is a minimum wage worker who isn't happy with his job. He shows up late, leaves early and calls in sick as much as he can. But he's convinced he's worth a lot more an hour. Pretty soon he's back on the street looking for another job and the quick lube place is looking for another worker. Thing is Johnny has already started making poor life decisions that unless he gets his head out will follow him his entire life all the while complaining that he isn't earning a "living wage". In 10 years he'll be drinking beer with his buddies crying about not getting a fair chance and how "the man is keeping him down". He'll be married with a couple of kids, drawing welfare (it's welfare folks, not an entitlement, to be entitled to something you MUST earn it). He'll never look at any job training program because "that would be caving in to the man". Entry level jobs at minimum wage are just that. They are there to get you started to learn good work ethic so you can move on to bigger and better things. These are jobs for high school kids and college students who need extra income to finish up their education that will lead to a better job. I remember back in the 60's in grade school the teacher telling us we all wanted good educations so we can get good jobs like "doctor, lawyer or other white collar" jobs. The teachers went out of their way to ridicule labor intensive and dirty jobs. I know that hasn't improved through the years. It's not the kids being bad people. It's the fact they have been taught that they are too good to stack hay and that mom and dad owe him a car, Ipod and spending money.

Rick
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Well said Rick!
 
(quoted from post at 19:57:44 08/17/13) I'm in ohio and have the same trouble with most business people.They will give you an estimate and never show up.I pay in cash,and that doesn't seem to help.
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A big AMEN to that. Have a fencing job that I just can't get to for a guy that has done work for me before, it's been 3 months since I got the estimate and told him I wanted to proceed with it. He might start next week... or the week after. Jeez, if I have to chase llamas down the road one of these days due to another broken wire, maybe he'll feel sorry for me and get out here.
 
(quoted from post at 03:45:34 08/18/13) ... if the benefits ended many would quit breeding and get some sort of job so they could have cigarettes and beer.
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Don't forget the lottery tickets, I see has much of that being bought as the beer and cigs.
 
Hey Lyle,

The good ones are working, those left aren't worth the powder to blow them to Mars. I tried a couple times to hook "friends" up with work, but they either wouldn't show or would complain too much. Have another friend that's jealous about my truck and bugs me about how much money I have. I tell him I can hook him up with the work, but it's up to him to put in the hours. Not 40 hours per week, try 80+. He still hasn't come up here.

I'm 24 and still live with my parents, but I pay rent, and they understand that after working 80+ hours in 5 days, I just want a place to crash for the weekend. After I get my tanker fleet up and running and cash flow smoothed out, I'll look for my own place. (or if I get a steady girlfriend, lol!)
 
Dad tried the part time hired man thing for a while after he retired from milking cows. In the end it cost him more to drive back and forth to work than he got paid.

The boss would say, "Come in tomorrow," then send him home after an hour because he didn't have anything for him to do.

After a couple rounds of that he decided to try to make a go of it cash cropping his own land and boarding heifers in the winter.
 
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