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Allan in NE

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Ya just haven't lived until you've changed out a starter on a 966 with a cab.

That stinker comes in and out from the bottom up. :>(

Allan

 

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John A.

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Allan, That Puppy is tough enough on an open station 966, now you have to deal with this Dinky little trap door to get a 30 lb starter through that will require both hand to handle. ??Could be easier to take the cab off first???? I don't envy you on this Project! There will be Blood Shed/ Smashed Fingers in this endevor! Be careful!
Later,
John A.

 

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John T

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• Aug 13, 2013

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I dont doubt ya Allan, but I can add to the "you havent lived" statement UNTIL YOU CHANGED THE WATER PUMP ON A FREAKIN 460 FORD IN AN RV IN THE RAIN IN A WAL MART PARKING LOT GRRRRRRRRRRR (and had to do it twice, dont even ask why)

ONLY people who have done it will understand and can relate to this....On that freakin engine there must be 15 bolts attached to the water pump including Alternator,,,,,,,,Smog Pump,,,,,,,,,Power Steering Pump,,,,,,,,,AC Compressor,,,,,,,,,,idlers,,,,,,,,fan,,,,,,,,,, LIKE 3 BELTS,,,,,,,,all other sort of CRAP lol

Contract that to a 454 Chevy with like 4 bolts and all that CRAP isnt attached to it.....We were on a trip to Montana in my buddys 454 that lost a pump and he got a ride to town for a new one and returned in like 20 mins AND I HAD THE PUMP OUT LAYING THERE USING ONLY JUNK BUFFALO FORGE TOOLS PLIERS AND CRESCENT WRENCH..

"........If you ever wonder why you ride the carousel, you do it for the stories you can tell...." That song in your play list???? it oughta be

John T

 

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Allan in NE

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• Aug 13, 2013

• #1

It's already a done deal, but I shot most of a whole day gettin' 'er to twist 'er own tail again. :>)

Allan

 

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Tech 7

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• Aug 13, 2013

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And if its like a lot of rotten starter R&R it will take place in the mud and be raining and /or dark when you are doing it LOL. I am sure its not your brand Allan but have a peek at a 6xxx deere some time, especially with a loader. What were they thinking? On the 20 series they use Allen head mounting hardware just to "help" out. I know your pain.

 

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JD Seller

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Those 66 series cabs made repair work "real"fun. LOL Those cabs and the 86 series cabs Really put IH down in market share around here. Up until then IH and JD sold about the same. After JD brought out the SGB cab they sold like hot cakes and the IH stalled out.

Always wanted to take a IH 1066 motor and put it in a JD 4430 tractor. Always thought you would have had the best of both brands then.

Then JD brought the 466 motor out in the 40 series and they had a good motor then.

 

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Allan in NE

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• Aug 13, 2013

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"Just to help out"......A mouthful!

Oh well, better than those Cadallic North Stars........with the starter on the inside of the engine. :>)

Allan

 

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rustyacres sd

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Had mine replaced a year ago. Was going out on me when hauling corn to the elevator, so on last load, I just left it in town with the mechanic and let him deal with it. It cost more to fix that way, but saved me a lot of headache, cause I was just getting ready to go on a small trip.

 

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Ken Macfarlane

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• Aug 13, 2013

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IH have a thing for that, we had a 584 with a 2255 loader and Laurin aftermarket cab. Starter change out was a good couple of hours of cursing and bleeding knuckles. The sister tractor we had was an open station 585 in comparison was a 2 minute job.

 

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Nebraska Cowman

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Allan, do you still have the Farmall H that started all this? I wish I still had my M.

 

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Mike (WA)

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• Aug 13, 2013

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We lost the water pump at Mt. Rushmore in a '78 Ford (400, as I recall)- We came out of the visitors center, there was a little stream of antifreeze going into the catch basin. "Sucks to be him", I remember thinking, until I followed it upstream, and it turned out it sucked to be ME.

We filled it with water, took 5 gallons for the road, and headed for Rapid City. Got a water pump, took on more water, and went to our campground. I asked the gal where the sun came up (she thought I was a bit strange, I think)- I oriented the truck so the hood up would make shade, and got up at 0 dark thirty and went after it. Looked like a yard sale around there by the time I finally got to the pump. Old guys walking their dogs wandered by, and to a man, they figured it was more fun than they could stand. Got 'er all buttoned up just as my shade ran out. Also lost an alternator at Yellowstone on that trip, but that was only about a 5 minute job just before the fireworks display on the 4th.

 

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NCWayne

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Ought to try the ones on some of the old CAT dozers. I think it was on one of the D6's that the starter is a 50 MT and it sets down about 18 inches in a hole and is back under a ledge where you can't see it.....or the three bolts that attach it to the engine. Wouldn't be but a small problem with a small starter but a 50 MT weights nearly 80 lbs which makes it one BIG, HEAVY, ROYAL PITA.......

 

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todd hamilton

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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Step #1

Remove 66 series cab and discard

 

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bjb in TX from Ne

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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I will see your starter and raise you the starter on my 2006 Chevy Colorado.

You have to remove the:
air intake
the throttle body
the battery and battery box
the alternator
front left tire
fender well lining
intake manifold
then you can see the starter for removal.

Sad thing is that after doing all that it was the clutch neutral safety switch causing my problem.

 

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Kenneth R Ohnstad

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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I'd say you have the high hand so far.
good luck
K

 

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Kenneth R Ohnstad

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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I was wrong with my earlier post. You win.
K

 

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OliverGuy

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Oliver 2255?

 

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Dalex

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• Aug 13, 2013

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First thing I'd do is get out my 4.5 " grinder with a cutoff wheel and double the size of that hole ! If needed , I'd make a new cover plate.

 

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pete 23

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• Aug 13, 2013

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I did a bit of cab shielding removal when I took them out. My old boss had the habit of saying, Pete, go out and slip the starter or whatever out of that tractor. I would tell him, no, I will fight it out.

 

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fixerupper

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Allen, I replaced the starter in a 1566 with a cab years ago and I swore I'd never do it again. The starter in my 1086 isn't all that bad if the little 12 point socket doesn't split while breaking the bolts loose. Those bolts separate the Chinese wannabe sockets from the real ones. Jim

 

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Allan in NE

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Oh yeah, it's under a F-11 loader. Was just thinkin' 'bout that the other day. :>)

Allan

 

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Allan in NE

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Oh, that's just plain silly.

Allan

 

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todd hamilton

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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not really cousin blew out the starter in 1466 with cab previously removed and it was not to bad a job to change it

 

Fawteen

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Downeast Maine

• Aug 13, 2013

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That right there is why God invented check books and credit cards.

 

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JDB

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Could be worse........-10 and blowing snow

 

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Weldon K

Member

• Aug 13, 2013

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Those cabs had a hinge/pivot on the mounting points over the rear axle. Purpose of which was to be able to lift front of cab and tilt entire cab upward and to the rear to gain access to stuff such as the starter. Looks like it would have been easy enough to lift the front of cab just enough and safely secure it in some manner to gain access to the starter instead of working through that little hole.

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Aug 13, 2013

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I had the starter checked out in my Cat 931B when the engine was getting rebuilt. I've done some difficult repairs that are hard to get at but I don't think I'd even want to attempt that starter. There's no room to get at it and it's only 3/8" from the main frame. Then the loader cylinders and boom are in the way. Allan can at least see the starter on his 1066.

 

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Cliff Nelson

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Yeah, those are worse.

 

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Dr. Walt

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• Aug 13, 2013

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NCWayne:

Back in '79 when I worked in the Mines, we'd sent our Cat.D-9G back to the dealership to replace the starter & weld up an 1/8 inch crack in the backside of the Left final-drive housing that was leaking gear oil - all under warranty repair.

Maint. Supervisor sent me out with the 10 wheeler service truck to fuel up & check out the D-9 when it came back. Cat skinner fired it up & took it off the low-boy & we checked it out. Didn't sound right, NO exhaust out the stack??? - got to checking & they had put the WRONG starter on the engine & it was now running BACKWARDS - Exhaust out through the air filters. LOL ??? Did some more checking - they never welded the crack in the final drive, BUT they had given the Cat. a fancy new PAINT JOB!

Doc

 

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Anonymous-0

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• Aug 13, 2013

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Done a few of them. just remove the side cover and it is easier then an open station tractor where you have to remove the batterys.Should take about 2 hrs.

 

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Jerry He

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• Aug 14, 2013

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Did the Cat skinner not notice this as he had to use a reverse gear to get it to move forward as engine was running backwards?

 

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GVSII

Member

• Aug 14, 2013

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For sure an IH thing.R&R the starter on a scout is no picnic either.A hole saw is real handy for that job.

 

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Cliff Nelson

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• Aug 27, 2013

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Around here the worst ones it's too cold to rain and it's sitting in a snowdrift. Even the bad ones are nicer when it's 80 degrees. Haven't had the experience with the newer Deeres yet.