Disturbing animal abuse show

37chief · Aug 2, 2013

Ran across a show the other night about someone going under cover in different animal raising places. The one in a dary was disguesting to say the least. If a cow was down in the malking stall the person trying to get it up was beating the cow with looked like a piece of hose. Jumping on the cows back, kicking the cow. Twisting the cows tail so bad the cow cried out but never got up. How do you dary guys get a cow up in a milking stall? The workers were mostly mexicans. I see the way mexicans charros treat their horses around here, it isn't the best They have a different attitude toward animals. Then there was the turkey farms, the chickens farms, the pig farms. All with different abuses. Stan

Billy NY · Aug 2, 2013

Some people have no conscience, reverse the roles, then think about it. In the end, I firmly believe what comes around goes around. Its more than shameful to abuse any animal. I have run people off our farm for going to far with horses, one horse struck back at the lady, I honestly had wished she got nailed but hard, she was told to leave immediately, animals don't forget, have an abusive person around and it might just be you that suffers the wrath. I've see a few mean horses too, they are tough to deal with just the same but you'll get nowhere being rotten to them, sooner or later an opportunity will come up and you will get nailed hard, they don't forget.

We had a great stallion that some jerk twisted his ears, probably from the track, it took a long time before he would trust me to touch his ears, I did win him over, there have been others similar, people don't just don't get it. You hate to use a twitch one them, but often times the vet will have you do that, but its not the same as being rotten, and they know it, animals put up with a lot from people, who know better too.

Anonymous-0 · Aug 2, 2013

The disgust gets worse. The $$$ response from the so-called agribusiness types has been to hire politicians to make it a crime to take pictures of the abuse.

Bret4207 · Aug 2, 2013

Well, what's worse- A guy hitting a downer cow a few dozen times with a cattle prod or a guy beating his own wife and kids every other night. I've investigated both types of abuse cases and the guy hurting the animal is more likely to do time.

Theres no excuse for abusing and animal, but I've heard a lot of variations on just what abuse is. I know people to this day who think keeping a dog tied is abuse, using a horse for riding or work is abuse and milking a cow is "exploitation" and abuse.

Where do you draw the line. I'm kinda like the judge with the porno case, " I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it."

paul · Aug 2, 2013

Most certainly bad on those who abuse animals.

On the other hand, some of those activists go into a place and create the abuse themselves, film it, and try to pin it on the ag business, when it is the far radical folks with the camera responsible for the bad actions.

Two sides to those stories, I wouldn't take everything I see at face value there.

Paul

TomH in PA · Aug 2, 2013

There was a case here in PA a couple of years ago. Older farmer couldn"t keep up with cleaning the broiler cages, so he hired a guy to help. Instead of cleaning it up the guy let it get worse and filmed the "abuse".

No doubt some animals are actually abused, but PETA makes it sound like a lot worse than it is.

Formerly PaMike · Aug 2, 2013

That was kreiders,out my way. The animals rights people rig it to make it look bad. They go undercover, and are hired to take dead birds out of the cages. Then they film all the dead birds and blame it on the owner. If the undercover employee was actually doing their job it wouldnt be an issue. If I remember correctly Kreiders actually had/has a lawsuit against the group for slander, or something of that nature. PA is actually passing laws to crack down on these animal rights people and the "undercover" work they do...

showcrop · Aug 2, 2013

When our kids were in 4H and showing their sheep at the fairs, there would be a lot of people asking about the lambs being forced to stand in the trimming stands for hours. I suppose a lamb could get bored standing there like that after a couple hours, but it was pretty rare to see a kid that would trim for more than an hour straight. Our daughter was a very cute blond kid, but she had a speech impediment so it was difficult for her to answer questions sometimes. One time there were some PETA activists at one of the fairs giving kids a hard time about restraining their animals. Finally my daughter told one of them in a very direct manor that they tried leaving them loose but they kept going onto the midway and riding the ferris wheel without paying.

tbish · Aug 2, 2013

aint no farmer in his right mind gona abuse a 1500 or 1000 dollar cow tree huggers enough said

tbish · Aug 2, 2013

1 more thing u don't see to many things on the web or tv of a farmer pulln a calf tryn to save them both sory my rant to the topic

fixerupper · Aug 2, 2013

Our local 6 million bird egg laying/processing facility has a guard 24-7 at the front gate where the workers and in and out freight trucks pass through .
Grain and feed ingredients go in the back way but the only way into the facility is across the scale. When I haul into there I see security cameras sticking out everywhere. PETA was in there a few years ago and the guard shack and police car showed up soon after. Before that it was just an unmanned camera and loud speaker system. I don't think the birds are abused in this facility but they are caged so that gets the attention of the animal huggers. Jim

buickanddeere · Aug 2, 2013

The show was staged by vegetarian animal right activists . They set up and make these movies as they believe the means justifies the end.

37chief · Aug 2, 2013

I doubt filming the turkeys being drug aroung buy their necks, and the court room with a judge finding them guilty of animal abuse was faked, or the dog at a kenel no longer need being being carried off the ground by his chain to a open area, then shot in the head. The blood looked real to me. I'm no tree hugger I just don't like seing helpless aminals abused. Stan

Gambles · Aug 2, 2013

I grew up on a dairy farm, so I've been around cows most of my whole life. If the workers are mistreating their cows (and it probably does happen sometimes), management needs to get involved to stop it. It's as simple as that.
With that being said, I work for a company that is (as of the last three days) doing a lighting upgrade for a local dairy that has about 1200 cows. While we are working, we are right on top of the cows in a bucket truck installing the lights or with the cows right beside us with them on the other side of the stanchions. It's really funny that they are quite curious as to what we are doing and it appears that they watch us for their entertainment.
I will tell you this: We have to work in the sun in high temperature, high humidity and no breeze. We have to assemble the lights in a trailer with the trailer sitting in the sun, again with no breeze. While we hit the water jug pretty hard, there is a big push to get this done, so breaks don't happen too often for us humans. At the end of the day, our clothes are soaking wet from sweat.
The cows? They get to eat about as much as they want, get to drink as much as they want, have probably about a hundred 5-foot fans pointed at them, and they get to enjoy water misters that are pointing at them to keep them cool. Then, whenever they want, they go lie down in clean sand that is provided for them in their stalls. They look quite comfortable and content.
Maybe PETA should do a clip about how us humans are are getting mistreated....

T in NE · Aug 2, 2013

Who was behind it, the HSUS, who are pretty bad about how they treat animals themselves?
These people get hired at these places to film the abuse, and when they can't find it, they get someone else to get hired on to abuse the animals so they can film it.
HSUS got fined for putting their star witness against Barnum and Bailey on payroll to ensure he would be available to testify (paid witness). He was a "disgruntled employee" who got canned because he wasn't doing his job.

As far as the comment below about buying politicians, BS! The laws they are passing require that witnesses to animal abuse report the abuse in a timely manner, and not to "document" it over months and even years for the purpose of releasing it to the public. And let's face it, if you have co-workers who are killing animals and laughing about it like they do in some of those videos, a brief talk with the boss would take care of that, because a dead or injured animal is pure cost and 0 profit.

T in NE · Aug 2, 2013

Let's face it, if 150 pound Carlos is kneeing a cow in the back hard enough to do any damage, cows on the range wouldn't survive past their first calf. You're relying more on the shock than pain to get them stimulated. It usually doesn't take much to get them up, a slap on the ace or a nudge in the back will often do it. Anyone who goes all-out first try doesn't know much about cattle anyhow, you can rile up a calm cow, but you can't calm one that's already riled up.

RandyB(MI) · Aug 2, 2013

So if it really is being "rigged" by "huggers" and someone actually can prove it then why don't someone tape the "riggers" in action and get THAT publicized. Anyone can cry foul anytime...someone get their damn camera and film it ...even if you film the fraudulent filmers. This day of technology there's no place for verbal complaints. If one can't get it on film then it probably didn't happen . It takes time and a lot of people and equipment to film a doccumentary. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

GeneMO · Aug 2, 2013

And most of those Peta, tree hugger types find nothing wrong with killing millions of human babies by calling it "Pro-choice"

Gene

oldtanker · Aug 2, 2013

Animal abuse indeed does happen on farms. Not most but on some. My SIL's step father isn't great around animals. But that's how he was raised. His grand daughter was visiting the other day and was telling me that it takes her grandpa and father 2 hours just to get 70 milkers in the barn 2x times a day to milk. My SIL has been learning from me and is shocked how easy cows are to deal with when they are not maltreated. I also know of a few really big operations where the farmer (owners) seldom set foot on the farm much less get near the livestock.

On the other side of the coin I don't like people spying on other people. And that's what these PITA people are doing. It's an invasion of privacy at a minimum.

Rick

da.bees · Aug 2, 2013

I agree that documentaries are about intertainment rather than stopping abuse.
As someone said,unless they use a club,a man isn't likly to do much harm or cause pain to a cow. If they don't get to their feet after 3 0r 4 slaps,any more kicking and cussing is a waste of time and stupid but not abuse. The abuse may have occured already because the cow's feet were neglected making it painful to walk. Indescriminent breeding of dogs by puppy mills is aiding and abetting abuse.
On the subject of killing unwanted babies,how about doing it like this? Make the mother responsible for nameing the father and both must support the child. No more baby killing. Instead,adults are alowed to show thier wortheness and value to themselves and socity. If they fail to measure up,now you can kill them before they procreate and populate earth with more of their kind. Call that inhumane,abusive or what you like but I say the adult gets a chance to decide their own destiny. That's a far better deal than the aborted child gets. Animal abuse has levels of seriousness. My plan for population control is tailor made for the man who threw gasoline on a dog and lit it on fire?

John_PA · Aug 3, 2013

There is nothing sadder than a down cow, and any dairy guy worth his salt knows this. You know they don't abuse.

Leave a downed cow in the stall long enough and they get up to be milked. If they really are sick, you say a prayer, hope they get up, and if not, it's not a big deal to leave them be. If they don't get up, you know them and you thank them for giving so much and you move on.

No good dairy man ever forces a cow to stand.

Dairy men are lovers, not fighters. Dairy guys deal with pregnant women 24-7. Dairy guys know that life is so precious.

If you find a dairy helper who doesn't respect what is going on, they should get the electric fence in the n tsack. see how fast they get up!

This is why I don't dairy farm anymore. I don't have the heart to be mean to the girls. Now, I am just mean to bottholes who come around and want to taste my hay for their horses, or ask me why I don't use a zero turn mower and just put the whole farm in grass and let it be a "good place" for the birds and ground hogs.

For those, I gladly will make them some chili with woodchuck "filler." For the rest, I smile and nod, and agree that I am a rotten bastage, some of a batch...

What will it be in 30 years?

I just hope I am not around to see where this goes... I have had enough!

Dick L · Aug 3, 2013

Did you know that a group of activists was trying to get this horrible animal abuse stopped a few years back.
Real Abuse In Some Minds

greygoat · Aug 3, 2013

PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals !

Bret4207 · Aug 3, 2013

(quoted from post at 20:51:32 08/02/13) So if it really is being "rigged" by "huggers" and someone actually can prove it then why don't someone tape the "riggers" in action and get THAT publicized. Anyone can cry foul anytime...someone get their damn camera and film it ...even if you film the fraudulent filmers. This day of technology there's no place for verbal complaints. If one can't get it on film then it probably didn't happen . It takes time and a lot of people and equipment to film a doccumentary. It doesn't happen in a vacuum.

You'd have to know someone was setting you up or setting the stage to film some "abuse". People aren't mind readers.

buickanddeere · Aug 3, 2013

where did you get the idea I said it was fake?

37chief · Aug 3, 2013

I guess because you said the show was staged? Stan

RodinNS · Aug 3, 2013

We've had some downers over the years... Usually you just roll them around. make sure they have good footing, etc and when they're ready to get up, they get up. Most times they're best just left alone...
At the same time........ I've often wondered what some of these critics think you're supposed to do with a down cow? I mean... if the damn thing falls down in an alley or a walkway than needs to be open (and believe me, it does happen)... What do you do? Really, think about this... what do you do? Do you shut down care for 40 or 400 other animals because one is in the way? Do you provide a lead implant on the spot to a cow that might otherwise recover in a few days... and also run the risk of starting a stampede with the rest of them...
The simple reality is that there is NO glamorous way to move 1400# of dead weight that's stuck in a barn... so sometimes they get dragged or lifted to their destination. That seems to offend a lot of people... but I've yet to hear an answer as to what one ~should~ do in those situations... just criticism about what they're doing wrong.
That's how I see it anyway.

Rod

Anonymous-0 · Aug 3, 2013

"animal raising places". that pretty much sums it up. anything that can be done to expose and end the abuse, short of violence, is fine by me.

Case e · Aug 3, 2013

I dont have dairy, but I do have stock cows and have worked in pig factories and had sows on my own. There are lots of things you can do to get a reaction out of animals and not hurt them. I work my cows by myself most times, first you better have some facilities, they are big and strong and have the upper hand. I do use a shocker but I use the one you put a charge in the tip and tap the animal. Might seem cruel but you will never push a cow into a head gate or pull her with a rope into one. I consider my stock part of the family and handle them with care.

Dan T in MO · Aug 3, 2013

Some time back, it was discovered that peta staged the seal clubbing video of years past. The Missouri Trappers Association has argues that the horrific videos peta has distributed showing trapped furbearers are the result of peta members harassing the trapped animals before rolling the film. I just wonder if perhaps the abusive "farm hand" in these latest videos might be employees of peta.

T in NE · Aug 4, 2013

We had a herdsman that subscribed to the "they'll get up on their own if they are going to get up" routine. Five minutes with the loader and hip-lifts was too big a waste of time, but usually it only takes being lifted once for them to get stretched out and moving again. As opposed to about 2 1/2-3 days til he put her in the compost pile.

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