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JD Seller

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The post below about the "squire baler" got a lot of us talking about spelling and grammar.

In my family there is a genetic factor to the spelling and speech issue. All of the males in the family have had issues with spelling and speech. I had to have speech training when I was young. I still edit what I say while speaking so that I do not get to a word that I have trouble pronouncing. My written vocabulary is larger than my spoken one. Many terms and words I commonly use in writing I can not use in speech.

My brothers have had issues with this too. My sons and my Grand sons all have had speech lessons as they grew up. Some are worse than others but it still is a common issue.

I actually KNOW it is genetic. My mind does not process phonics the way most people do. Spelling to me is almost a pure memory deal. I have learned some of the rules of spelling as I have aged but not many.

The females in the family do not seem to have this issue. Now math swamps some of them. So I think that our minds just process the information differently. I think women in general have better communication skills.

I many times will re-write an entire sentence or paragraph just because I can't spell the word I want to use. I mess them up so bad that the SPELL Check surrenders. LAMO

Some days it is worse than others. Some days I spell much better than others. I often write a word down because it does not look "right" to me. It maybe spelled correctly or it may not be.

I used to HATE teachers and others that would tell me to just look a word up in the dictionary. I may not have known the first letter let alone be able to find it in the dictionary.

Grammar is a complete mystery to me. I just learned it in school well enough to pass the test at the end of the lesson. My writing is not too bad because I read a lot and can tell usually if the grammar is off because it "sounds" wrong when I read it in my mind.

You could put a gun to my head and I could not diagram a sentence. I could find the nouns and maybe the verbs but the rest is Greek to me.

The terms: To, too, two I usually get correctly. Others I just bluff through. LOL

Now some common things we see all of the time that are not correct.

Starter Drive = Bendix
Rotary Cutter = Bush Hog
Skid steer loader = Bobcat


Then there are regional thing too.

Mother-in-law always called underwear-bloomers and a sack-poke. She was from West Virginia.

So you guys will just have to live with my short comings. LMAO

PS. The fact that I am a terrible typist just makes it all the more fun.
 
I am with you JD had terible teacher in country Grade school. Cannot diagrann a sentance. I think it is a Nationality problem Since we have a little German in both us. Graydon
 
Whats ironic, is your ability to write is excellent. The content you have posted here, is definitely worthy of a book, the hardest thing would be to put it all together somehow, but the content is well written, it flows and the reader is always interested. Thats one of the things I like about this forum you can apply yourself and keep these skills and abilities honed, its a great thing for anyone, I enjoy the heck out of it myself.


I've always been a stickler for good writing, more or less in business, it develops over time, it can be refined,until its the way you want it but I also think there is some natural ability to this. I had a boss or really a partner as I just could never really consider myself subordinate to him or the others. In the construction industry, there are times when you need to write a letter, put a contractor on notice and a myriad of similar things, usually technical, and when ever I wrote something it was always effective, and he would say, that is a gift you have, a lot of correspondence used to originate from my office. At times it was extremely effective, pi$$ing the recipient off. I had one project manager just livid because I busted them red handed allowing steel embedded in concrete and or mortar to freeze. These were structural connections for huge windows we were to install, and this put them on the spot, he insisted I retract or redact or nullify this correspondence, I said no way in h$ll, its on you if something fails, I'll tell you that piece of work tried to make my job miserable, made us hoist in these huge units down in behind pipe scaffold up 10 floors, it was to be removed prior to, but he did it out of spite and left it up. I brought a 250 ton crane in for another erecting sequence, he pushed to get it in earlier, and I did, but he never told his superintendent. He and I were at each others throat at 6am over it, I mean his guys and my guys barely holding us back, soon to realize what his boss did, set us up and he was a friend on that jobsite, it was regrettable that 2 grown men wanted to fight literally over a pile of sand in the way that would stop the masonry contractor for the day as my outriggers would be right where they work, no way around it at all. We talked later about it, it all stemmed from one carefully written, scathing notification letter.

The power of good writing is incredible, the impact of poor writing is easily detected and makes you look like a fool. A $70 million dollar job for the same university, the project manager could not write a complete sentence, I have a copy of a letter directed to me, just makes me laugh how someone gets a job like that. I had a lot of fun with this guy, nailed him 10K to change out one piece of glass on that job.

I think its like a guy like Jimi Hendrix, he could not read music, but sure and heck did some pioneering with his guitar, funny how things work sometimes.
 
Dyslexia might be coming into play with you. We found out it's genetic as it runs in Marilyn's family and has carried through to some of her parents grandchildren. Dyslexics tend to be above average in intelligence if that helps any. Our son is moderately dyslexic. He was tested by the local AEA and at The University of Iowa when he was young and both institutions told us his IQ is much above average but he will need to learn audibly instead visually. In other words, his brain cannot process written words well and he will never be a good speller but if he hears it he remembers it for life. His resource room teacher once told Marilyn she's amazed at how a kid with such a high IQ can't read or write worth a hoot. He's 35 now and has either grown out of it somewhat or he's learned how to process written words in a different manner because he aced the test for his commercial pesticide license and also the hazmat endorsement on his CDL. A good friend of mine is Dyslexic and had to rely on his girlfriend to write all of his college papers as he narrated to her. He's more intelligent than I could ever dream of being.
Spelling and grammar have always come easy for me. In school I was a failure at everything else but at least I could spell. LOL Jim
 
There is no excuse for not running a posting through a "spell checker" and a quick proof read first.
Some basic grammar and english so words such as the following are properly applied. To,too,two, lose, loose, loss, thier, there, they are, the're, your and you're.
All snowmobiles are not a Ski-Doo.
"Coke" is a propriatory name for Coca-Cola's cola beverage. It's not gingerale, root beer or cream soda etc.
 
You said women have better communication skills. I think it"s cuz they have more practice! LOL
 
I cannot diagram a sentence......and still cant figure out where that has set me behind in life, lol.

Don't worry JD.....you are not much if any worse off than the rest of us here...hahaha
 
I think JD is probably right. I rarely misspell a word, and I can still diagram a sentence 60 years later. But I missed out on the math gene; anything beyond simple math is out of the question.
 
Spelling and grammer has always come easy for me, but was a near failure in english class. I just shake my head at some of the word usages on any site, not sight, but just read on and get the message as it was meant and not necessarily typed.

My parents came from eastern Kentucky coal country. Dad was, for a short time, a school teacher and an excellent writer and stickler for prope word usages. Words from Kentucky often entered his conversations and would sometimes baffle us as to what he meant.

My worst concern is posts with no capitols or punctuation marks resulting in a run on sentence that takes a little study to determine what is communicated.

Gene
 
You're not alone! My spelling is atro??--terrible. A dictionary sits beside the computer and sometimes that doesn't help. I'll write a sentence and say that word isn't right but they'll get it.
Advanced degree in physics and still can't spell it's a shame.
 
OK.........since you brought it up........I've always noticed that you spell "were" "where". I never wanted to bring it to your attention because it gripes me when people do this. If the reader knows what you mean, why the heck does the spelling matter?? 'Only to the grammar cops! Wow.....mystery solved about your spelling! I can sleep better now. Thanks for all your help JDSmeller!
 
It's a lot.
Not alot (which has no meaning) or allot (which means allocate, assign, apportion or distribute).
I posted about that here once and it went poof.
I have plenty of beams in my own eye when it comes to spelling so I usually try to overlook the speck in my brother's.
But alot is one that does bug me.
 
Opps Buickanddeere........you didn't use your own advice. "Their" is not spelled thier. "They're" is not spelled the're. There's just no excuse for not using spellcheck.
 
You're probably right, I was just giving him some static. And if you noticed, I misspelled the word "oops"......and not on purpose. I guess I'm still the shortest stalk in the row. I've enjoyed this thread......has given us all a chance to expose our little "shortcomings" (is that actually a word?) in our lives.
 
I think what she should have said was they have to repeat it over and over until we menfolk actually "tune in" and start listening. LOL
 
In our high school we had some very excellent teachers from Eastern Kentucky, our school librarian even wrote a book that was published. Some of our worst teachers were local and had gone to Eastern Kentucky University because any fool could get accepted and graduate. EKU had a very bad reputation back in the 60s and 70s, I don't know where our good teachers studied.

I never learned to diagram sentences, the English teacher who was supposed to teach that was only teaching to avoid the draft. Being unable to diagram sentences or identify all the parts hurt me big time studying foreign languages in college.

Mom was a teacher before all of us kids arrived, and insisted on us learning to speak correctly. But trying to read Grandma's letters was something else. Hand the letters back and forth trying to figure out what certain words were. It actually was kind of fun.

My biggest complaint here is there are a few writers that I am convinced misspell words intentionally either to "sound" country or to be cute. No, they don't "sound" country and they are not cute. They are annoying.

Typos happen, and sometimes your mind goes blank. No big deal.

Of course, if your posting is so bad that nobody can figure out what you're asking, then you wasted your time and ours.
 
JD I thought just the opposite of you.I picture you as a very talented man when it comes to reading and writing.Most of your post are long,and to be honest I usally skip over them becaues they are so long and discriptive.{no harm intended}I am such a poor speller and typest I usally just read and not respond.

jimmy
 
I was at the end of the line when the math, and spelling gene was passed out. Not much left for me. I could never figure out what that diagram a sentence was about either. Stan
 
I used to have trouble with that one too - but then realized you can get it right by the "here" in Where.

Where? Here.

Spelling and grammar matter, but conveying an idea matters more.

Good communicators get that way by knowing how to get a point across. Not by winning spelling bees and forming grammatically perfect sentences.

I'd say don't worry about the details, but I guess I don't really believe that. I think you should always strive to improve yourself. Just ignore anybody who gives you grief about those details.
 
I put this at the bottom because it's probably just me that this bothers. Why do young people insist on calling the console in a car a "council"???? I have yet to hear anyone under the age of 50 call it by it's right name or pronounce it correctly when talking. It is a CONSOLE!!! CON----SOLE. A council is a group of people looking to get something for doing nothing.
 
JD Seller,

I always enjoy your postings and think they are well written. I never worry if someone spells incorrectly as long as I can understand what they mean.

Shoot, I was an A+ student in English... have also been a secretary for over 14 years AND I STILL MISSPELL WORDS!!! I suffer from dyslexic finger syndrome, LOL! Even if my brain knows how to spell a word - fingers just fly around the keyboard and hit the wrong darn keys.

And I type ALOT a lot! And I always want to type alright... rather than all right. We all have our foibles.

I don't point out a person's spelling mistakes nor do I point out pronunciation mistakes when in conversation with someone. In general, I just don't sweat the small stuff... and it's ALL small stuff. :)

Don't worry... be happy! (Larry the Corner Guy still needs to play that song, I think.)
 
(quoted from post at 08:01:12 07/09/13) I am with you JD had terible teacher in country Grade school. Cannot diagrann a sentance. I think it is a Nationality problem Since we have a little German in both us. Graydon
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Diagraming a sentence MUST be one of the most useless excersizes ever foisted on students!
 
Spell Check is not a fail safe tool, my wife sent out a note to all her Preschool children's parents several years ago and spell checked it with the following results.

[color=red:d43b79026f]Dear Parents please make sure to send you child's old sh#t with them tomorrow as we will be painting. [/color:d43b79026f]

She spelled it right but was not what she wanted to say she really wanted their old shirts ... :oops: :oops:
 
There are three parts to communication:
sender
receiver
message.
If we can understand what is being written, Why are a couple of spelling errors a problem?
SDE????
 
(quoted from post at 18:10:49 07/09/13) I put this at the bottom because it's probably just me that this bothers. Why do young people insist on calling the console in a car a "council"???? I have yet to hear anyone under the age of 50 call it by it's right name or pronounce it correctly when talking. It is a CONSOLE!!! CON----SOLE. A council is a group of people looking to get something for doing nothing.
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Ain't that the truth!
 
Can you read this? Only 55 people out of 100 can.

I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

If you can raed this frowrad it.
 
Eye halve a spelling checker
It came with my pea sea.
It plainly marks four my revue miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a quay and type a word and weight for it to say
Weather eye yam wrong oar write.
It shows me strait a weigh as soon as a mist ache is maid.
It nose bee fore two long and eye can put the error rite.
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it,
I am shore your pleased to no.
Its letter perfect awl the way.
My checker told me sew. "
Ewe sea how eye do it.....LOL.....sAM
 
We set up a council to design a new console. And I'm 32.
There's people on other sites that if their post is over two lines, I don't read it, because I can't. Little punctuation, no paragraphs, half a dozen ideas all dropped on the screen all at once.

What term gets used for something also depends on where you are.
Brush hog-batwing- rotary cutter (bush hog sounds goofy to me- we use it to cut the brush, not the bushes)
haybine-discbine-moco-swather- mower conditioner
zoomboom-skytrack- telehandler
valley-canyon-swale-gully-ravine-hollow (or holler)- all pretty much the same thing.
 
JD Seller- when I first started coming to this forum I saw some of your posts and assumed you had at least a college degree, maybe even an advanced degree, as I read more of your stories I learned that maybe that wasn't so. I then assumed that maybe you grew up in a community that had maintained a strong educational system or had attended a parochial school that was a little more stringent and maintained higher standards in their language departments. I have seen quite a few rural Midwestern communities with a German background that placed a high value on their children's education, figured maybe you grew up in one of them. I have always felt you display above average intelligence in your posts and to an excellent job in tying a story together in a manner that both provides facts, expresses your opinions and holds the reader's interest. When you post dealing with a specific tractor or implement problem you are concise, clear and very easy to understand. You say your verbal abilities didn't come easy to you, maybe this forced you to better develop your writing abilities? Like many of the other posters on this thread I struggle with spelling and grammar, I go back and re-read a post and edit it trying to improve my ability to communicate. Years ago I wouldn't take the time. Yes I have a dictionary on my desk, while serving in the Air Force I carried a small pocket dictionary in my brief case and was lost with out it. Is it genetic for me? I don't know, both my daughters are above average in speaking, writing and reading abilities, I assume that comes from their mother. I am a college graduate and was an officer in the Air Force and often feel I don't write as well as you. But I went to a horrible High School in a community that didn't place a lot of value on education, our school board didn't think we needed an education to work at Oldsmobile hanging bumpers on cars. If we could sign our names on our paychecks we were adequately prepared for life. Michigan State University was pretty much known as multiple choice U while I was there, I think I only wrote 2 or 3 term papers the whole time I was there.
 
Shouldn't that be "Spelling and commonly misused terms."? LOL
I am by far not the most articulate writer on the forums, and I
make as many spelling errors or more than anyone else.
I chalk most of them up as typos or brain farts and move on.
I would appreciate it if ya'll let mine slip once in a while too! :)
 
JD Always read your letters, usually interesting, and often can almost bring a tear or two. My experience with schooling, when I went into high school from country school, we had to take an I.Q. test. Few days later principle called me in to his office, said that I had set record for the test. Then said I came out with a - three. So I have a good excuse for my writings!!!!!
 
I barely made it out of high school. It wasn't that I can't do the work, it just BORED me to tears. I think I was 42 out of 47 in my class. Fast forward 20 years or so and I find I'm a freaking genius with my just barely got out high school diploma and military background when compared to the college educated, multiple degree types I found my self working with. The reality is that, unlike on TV, police work involves copious, nay, staggering! amounts of paper work. Part of the paper work involves creating a readable and easily understood description of what may be a very complex event. I had a knack for turning in reports that "read like a good novel" according to one senior Capt. Meanwhile I was sometimes tasked with reviewing the paperwork the college boys and girls would try to submit. It was awful! You couldn't make heads or tails of anything in the simplest case, it got worse the more involved the case got. Simple stuff like "there, their, they're" was beyond their ability. Trying to discern who said what to whom at what point and where was just impossible for most of them. Of course this was back in the days of manual typewriters and very early word processors. Spell check was a ways off and grammar programs didn't exist.

The point is, education doesn't equal ability. I don't really care how someone writes or speaks as long as they make the effort to be understood.
 
Lamest excuse for being a lazy slob that I have heard for a while. Accurate communication is difficult enough under ideal circumstances. And you think it's ok to introduce error and take your chances? Your azz would be fired in the nuclear, medical , transportation industry and some military applications.
 
Dunno if I just didn't post yesterday or it got poofed, but...

Nobody is expecting "perfection." Just TRY!

"Who cares as long as the message gets across?" Well, the message ain't gettin' across! All you need to do is try, and a lot of people just plain don't.
 
I am going to show my ignorance here and admit that I have never heard the term, "diagram a sentence". I have never bothered to use spell check so once in a while my posts will show poor spelling or grammar if I am in a hurry. Usually my own and other's spelling errors just jump off the page at me as I read. Nobody likes to be corrected though.
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(quoted from post at 08:08:22 07/10/13)
I am going to show my ignorance here and admit that I have never heard the term, "diagram a sentence". I have never bothered to use spell check so once in a while my posts will show poor spelling or grammar if I am in a hurry. Usually my own and other's spelling errors just jump off the page at me as I read. Nobody likes to be corrected though.
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Well Rusty where ever it is you went to school the English dept. must have already determined that diagraming a sentence is just plain USELESS.I don't know if it is used/taught anymore.Course I graduated midyear 1961 so I havent been subjected to formal schooling in a long time and don't miss it at all.
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(quoted from post at 08:15:22 07/10/13) Lamest excuse for being a lazy slob that I have heard for a while. Accurate communication is difficult enough under ideal circumstances. And you think it's ok to introduce error and take your chances? Your azz would be fired in the nuclear, medical , transportation industry and some military applications.
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Surely you jest. I can assure you that the real world is not nearly as stuffy as you claim....

And BTW, everybody reading your posts knows for a fact that you didn't "spell checker" anything....
 

I do miss a few between either being overly trustworthy of the spell check . Some here and there from fat fingering the teenie weenie little iPhone screen.
At least I try unlike some of the doozies we see on a regular basis.
 
(quoted from post at 22:01:38 07/10/13)
(quoted from post at 08:15:22 07/10/13) Lamest excuse for being a lazy slob that I have heard for a while. Accurate communication is difficult enough under ideal circumstances. And you think it's ok to introduce error and take your chances? Your azz would be fired in the nuclear, medical , transportation industry and some military applications.
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Surely you jest. I can assure you that the real world is not nearly as stuffy as you claim....

And BTW, everybody reading your posts knows for a fact that you didn't "spell checker" anything....
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No, and stop calling me Shirley! (sorry, couldn't resist) LOL
 
O big DEAL on Spelling,,my fat fingers are all over the keyboard punching 3 keys at once and making a mess,,. flip side ,,. the best complement to a fella in business ,, is when someone asks you what college you went to? ,,when I say ,just hi school ,, they are surprised ..
 
(quoted from post at 21:24:56 07/10/13)
I do miss a few between either being overly trustworthy of the spell check . Some here and there from fat fingering the teenie weenie little iPhone screen.
At least I try unlike some of the doozies we see on a regular basis.
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You did [b:745fb67d9f][i:745fb67d9f]NOT[/b:745fb67d9f][/i:745fb67d9f] run your posts through spell check. Your mistakes were [b:745fb67d9f][i:745fb67d9f] NOT[/b:745fb67d9f][/i:745fb67d9f] because you were overly trusting of spell check. You simply did not do it and yet you attacked people as being lazy slobs for doing the same thing you did. Heck, you didn't even run [b:745fb67d9f][i:745fb67d9f]THIS[/b:745fb67d9f][/i:745fb67d9f] reply through spell check or you would have seen you made a couple of doozies.

And blaming fat fingers on a iphone? Please, just quit...
 
I worked for a company that had numerous proprietary accomplishments. They didn't want their trade name used as one uses an item definition (common noun) for fear of loosing their patent rights.

Like the ones you stated, and Kleenex (facial tissue) and Clorox (bleach product) and on and on.

But it's easier for all us to do that, most people are fimiliar with the brand names and what they actually are, and I do it all the time.

But the problem I have is when you see a particular word misspelled so much you tend to use the spelling yourself that is BAD!

What the !@##$ does the word hydr"O"lics refer to? If you are talking about systems operated by a pressurized mineral based or synthetic fluid, excluding engines and transmissions, usually plumbed from place to place with high pressure hoses sort of things, you are talking about HYDRAULICS!!!!!

I had a neighbor that used to use that misspelling and every time he said it his partial plate would flop in his mouth and emphasize the "O". Drove me nuts.....I think he did it just to annoy me. Probably did.

My rant for the day.

Mark
 
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