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Tresspassers...from the government!

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oldtanker

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Found 2 folks in my freshly planted field this morning from the Ag services driving a vehicle with US Government tags on it. Doing some kind of survey on residue in my fields. Tried claiming that by signing up for AG programs I had given consent. Thing is I'm not signed up for anything and haven't been in their offices ever. I ran them off and told them when they wanted to come back that they better bring the cops with a warrant. I'm still pretty mad about it.

Rick
 
Face it if Uncle Sam wants to he will and there is only one way to stop them and that is to tell them not to be there and then you have to maybe have a way to do so. Now days we the people are getting to the point the Gov is going way past where they should and we are letting them do so
 
I think I would have asked them to show that "consent" to the sheriff or the state police.
State police here told me that they themselves were not allowed
on your property without consent or cause.
Exception being the game warden/DNR.
I'd be torqued too.
 
I would go right up to that Ag Services office, & see if You can recognize them, or if someone can identify everyone that's works for them in pictures that You can identify. If not then they should investigate!
 
Ag-services? Really? Never heard of that outfit, usually when someone from the Farm Services Agency (FSA) wants something first they will call and set up an appointment.
Did the right thing running them off now go to the FSA office, there should be one in the county, and talk to them you might just find out a truck is missing. Didn't you have some people from an oil drilling outfit want something from you a while back?
 
From all the scandals of the past few months, it appears big brother government is doing much worse grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The County Surveyors around here claim the authority to enter private land in order to research or establish section corners

Id handle it about the way you did, until such time a warrant is issued or I review a statute (or some sort of my prior authorization) that allows them access to my property, Id tell them to leave, but it would be nice to have it all on video or at least audio. But in todays climate and the past few months of scandals, you could thereafter be targeted by the IRS or no tellin who grrrrrrrrrr

John T
 
Never heard of Ag-Services, must be some new agency established under this government, or EPA. Do yourself a favor and go to the FSA as others have said, tell them about it, inquire about it. Find out more. Let us know back please.
 
I did the same kind of thing with the dog catcher one time. Caught some kids poking around in buildings,claiming they were taking a dog census. I told them they had ten seconds to get in the road or I'd put them there. (Found out a little later that a guy up the road DID put the dog catcher in the road by picking up the back of his truck with the backhoe when he claimed he was taking a dog census).

Anyway,I got a ticket in the mail for having an unlicensed dog. I took it right up and threw it on his desk. Told him next time he wanted to know what I had on private property,he'd better send a uniformed officer with a search warrant. He followed me home and we had a quite a go around right here in the driveway. I got ahold of the State Attorney General,he said I could only be ticketed for having an unlicensed dog if the dog was visable from the road or the driveway. When all the dust settled from that and from Tom putting his truck in the road,he was out of a job shortly after and the dog census thing stopped.

Pain in the backside didn't have the power he thought he had.
 
I agree you did the right thing.

All they can do on your land is find something they don't like and make your life miserable.
 
OK guys, here, most guys call FSA Ag services. Sorry, guess I figured that everyone called em that.

I did call the FSA office and verify that they were in legit. Then talked to a supervisor who tried to convince me that I should sign up for programs. I told him no, that as far as I'm concerned the government has their nose much further into my business than I like. What I'm really mad about is the fact that they claimed my phone was disconnected and that they tried to call first. They have the wrong number. But I'm in the book. I also contacted my representatives about this intrusion.

Rick
 
To heck with your representative. Call the media. Do any "local" TV stations have one of those muck raking reporters who love to report on things like this?

Heads will roll.
 
According to the local AG agent. They can't come on your land with out your permission. In fact they are supposed to contact you before they show up. Regardless of what you may have signed.
 
Colorado county surveyors I don"t believe can be trespassed. And it is difficult with other Licened surveyors . if they are finding a corner to tie to.
Pipeline and utilities we have a $6000 entry fee so far they have all paid.
On another note our township was completely resurveyed by the US Gov survey in 1986 down to 1/4 corners and tracts if any US land or minerals are in the section.
 
You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
 
(quoted from post at 19:06:51 06/12/13) You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
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The SPCA has no legal authority. Call the cops on them too.
 
(quoted from post at 19:31:45 06/12/13)
(quoted from post at 19:06:51 06/12/13) You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
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The SPCA has no legal authority. Call the cops on them too.
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Depends on the state. There are certain members of the Humane Society ( I forget the exact term) that are Peace Officers in my state. That's one step below a Police Officer. It still doesn't give them the right to enter with a warrant or probable cause. A barking dog is not probable cause.
 
(quoted from post at 07:30:24 06/13/13)
(quoted from post at 19:31:45 06/12/13)
(quoted from post at 19:06:51 06/12/13) You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
Click to expand...
The SPCA has no legal authority. Call the cops on them too.
Click to expand...

Depends on the state. There are certain members of the Humane Society ( I forget the exact term) that are Peace Officers in my state. That's one step below a Police Officer. It still doesn't give them the right to enter with a warrant or probable cause. A barking dog is not probable cause.
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Bret4207, I'm not sure I'm catching the point.
My Aunt is the president of her local SPCA.
Some of the members there may be actual police officers, IDK.
But in any event, as far as I know they still do not have any right
to trespass without a warrant in the name of the SPCA.
I understand you are a retired law enforcement guy, so I'll listen
if you believe differently for your state, but that's my understanding.
 
(quoted from post at 20:12:00 06/11/13) Found 2 folks in my freshly planted field this morning from the Ag services driving a vehicle with US Government tags on it. Doing some kind of survey on residue in my fields. Tried claiming that by signing up for AG programs I had given consent. Thing is I'm not signed up for anything and haven't been in their offices ever. I ran them off and told them when they wanted to come back that they better bring the cops with a warrant. I'm still pretty mad about it.

Rick
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Expect an audit from the IRS shortly......
 
(quoted from post at 20:53:32 06/13/13)
(quoted from post at 07:30:24 06/13/13)
(quoted from post at 19:31:45 06/12/13)
(quoted from post at 19:06:51 06/12/13) You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
Click to expand...
The SPCA has no legal authority. Call the cops on them too.
Click to expand...

Depends on the state. There are certain members of the Humane Society ( I forget the exact term) that are Peace Officers in my state. That's one step below a Police Officer. It still doesn't give them the right to enter with a warrant or probable cause. A barking dog is not probable cause.
Click to expand...

Bret4207, I'm not sure I'm catching the point.
My Aunt is the president of her local SPCA.
Some of the members there may be actual police officers, IDK.
But in any event, as far as I know they still do not have any right
to trespass without a warrant in the name of the SPCA.
I understand you are a retired law enforcement guy, so I'll listen
if you believe differently for your state, but that's my understanding.
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What you said was that SPCA has no legal authority. I was just making the distinction that in some states SOME members of the Humane Society or SPCA do in fact have limited legal authority. I agreed that doesn't give the right to a warantless entry of private property without cause. Hope that makes it clearer. No offense intended.
 
(quoted from post at 20:18:00 06/13/13) Sure seems to be on the TV shows.
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Yeah, well on TV they conduct autopsies in dark rooms and the cops never have any paperwork to do. Wanna bet how real that is?
 
(quoted from post at 07:17:36 06/14/13)
(quoted from post at 20:53:32 06/13/13)
(quoted from post at 07:30:24 06/13/13)
(quoted from post at 19:31:45 06/12/13)
(quoted from post at 19:06:51 06/12/13) You forgot about the SPCA in most states as well. They hear your dog bark in the back yard and they can break down the gate or cut the lock to get to him because you're abusing him by not letting him live inside.
Click to expand...
The SPCA has no legal authority. Call the cops on them too.
Click to expand...

Depends on the state. There are certain members of the Humane Society ( I forget the exact term) that are Peace Officers in my state. That's one step below a Police Officer. It still doesn't give them the right to enter with a warrant or probable cause. A barking dog is not probable cause.
Click to expand...

Bret4207, I'm not sure I'm catching the point.
My Aunt is the president of her local SPCA.
Some of the members there may be actual police officers, IDK.
But in any event, as far as I know they still do not have any right
to trespass without a warrant in the name of the SPCA.
I understand you are a retired law enforcement guy, so I'll listen
if you believe differently for your state, but that's my understanding.
Click to expand...

What you said was that SPCA has no legal authority. I was just making the distinction that in some states SOME members of the Humane Society or SPCA do in fact have limited legal authority. I agreed that doesn't give the right to a warantless entry of private property without cause. Hope that makes it clearer. No offense intended.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I see what you mean now.
No offense taken, I was just trying to get it straight in my head. :)
 
'Here', they are deputised as peace officers... In many cases they're paid by the local municipality to enforce the dog bylaws, etc. They're also given power by the province here to enforce the animal protection laws. In short, they're a bunch of miserable ba$tards with badges that can make a whole lot of misery for you.
I'm not exactly sure what their powers of trespass and seizure are but they're quite broad when an animal is deemed to be in immediate distress.

Rod
 
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